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A00617 The counseller a treatise of counsels and counsellers of princes, written in Spanish by Bartholomew Phillip, Doctor of the ciuill and cannon lawe. Englished by I.T. graduate in Oxford.; Tractado del consejo y de los consejeros de los principes. English Filippe, Bartholomeu.; Thorie, John, b. 1568. 1589 (1589) STC 10753; ESTC S101905 175,643 206

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counsell of them that know more than himself doth goe most astray And for this cause said king Salomon My Sonne doo nothing of importance without aduisement so shall it not repent thee after the déed That men might vnderstande how necessary it is vnto a Prince to be counselled of wise men the Poets fained that Iupiter tooke counsel of Prometheus For they that gouerne Common-wealths cannot rule them wel if they take not aduisement with persons that know and vnderstande what is conuenient to be doone for the welfare of the Common-wealth Howe much men ought to esteeme of that which wise men say Aristotle sufficiently sheweth affirming that we ought not to aske account of the sayings of wise men for the eyes of their vnderstanding are cleane pure and cléere by reason of their knowledge and learning and they discerne the truth in euery matter which we cannot sée for as Eustacius saith the Sciences take away the rust from the eyes of the soule the sences and the bodie as Uineger scoureth the rust from the stéele being rubbed til it be cleane and shining Claudius Cottereus makes mention of certain Princes that gouerned their Common-wealths well by the counsell of wise men 3 The third qualitie that a Counseller ought to haue is age that he be of ancient yeeres because olde men haue seene much The Lawes of Statuts say that in tract of time prudence authoritie and experience of all thinges that are to be doone is gotten Aristotle saith boyes are not able and sufficient to giue counsell because their wit and iudgment beginneth to take force and vigour Fredericus Furius will haue that the Counsellers of Princes be not vnder thirtie yeeres of age nor aboue threescore for from the thirtith yeere downwards mens vnderstanding is not yet setled their experience is small their presumption much their heate great their thoughts lostie their naturall weakenes much neither can they keepe due grauitie and besides all this the people trusteth them not but murmureth against them Let them lie at Schooles let them trauaile to see Countries manners and gouernments let them learne tongues let them folow the Campe and haunt the Court let them take paines in learning all such thinges are conuenient to be knowne vnto the Counseller of a Prince Though young men commonly be not endewed with perfect iudgment and for this cause the Law graunteth them the benefite Derestitutione in integrum the Lacedemonians would not admit them to sit in publique counsell neither came they to common places where Courts were kept and the Senators assembled together nor yet were they present in the Congregation of the Elders tyll they were thirtie yeeres old and what euer they had to doo in such assemblies they folowed it by their Freendes and Kinsemen Fredericus Furius denieth not that many yong men haue better iudgment cleerer vnderstanding then many olde men and that the abilitie and wisedome ought more to be regarded then the age As may be seene by Papirius Praetextatus vnto whom being but a youth it was granted that he might were the garment which men of full yeeres did were and was called Praetexta or togapraetexta the Robe which the cheefe Officers and Senators wore And this honor was doone vnto the youth because comming with his Father into the Senate he would not discouer and reueale those matters that he hearde there discussed 4 As touching olde men Fredericus Furius would haue that those which are aboue thréescore yéeres of age should returne home vnto their houses liue in rest quietnes discharge their consciences and thinke how they may die well He wold also haue that the Princes should according to the custome of Rome giue them honors priuiledges preferments preheminences pensions and rents according to euery ones deserts as vnto them that are discharged from publique affaires not admitting them to their counsels For when they be once past the sixtith yere their memory faileth their vnderstanding wauereth their experience turneth into stubbornnes and obstinacie their naturall heate is but little and therefore they let occasions slip béeing offered their thoughts be wearied they cannot trauel and to conclude such men are an impediment and charge to the Court But to returne to the purpose séeing that the vertue and gift of counselling well commeth not from age but from wit iudgment and wisedom that euery one hath we ought not so much to respect the age of men as their abilitie which is knowne by their words and déeds For the words as our Redéemer and Lord Jesus Christ saith represent y t which is in the hart Socrates béeing asked what he thought of a certaine man answered that after he had hearde him speake he would tell his minde of him S. Paule calleth them that speake without iudgment tingling bels When Iohn de Mena would praise Don Aluara de luna high Constable of Castile he sayde Tentalo Tenta lo ex platica alguna Try him try him with some talke or communication and that with great reason For words saith Aristotle shew that which is in the minde And though old men be aboue thréescore yeres of age yet want they not vnderstanding they be more wise then yong men This Homer sheweth where he saith that King Agamemnon wished rather for tenne ancient men as Nestor was to be his Counsellers at the winning of Troy then ten yong men like to Achilles And that Agamemnon said true it is séene by the most excellent Don Hernando de Toledo Duke Dalua who in wisedome experience of many affaires supplied the turnes of tenne Nestors in counselling the great Monarch of Spayne the Catholick king Phillip 5 We may see how necessarie olde men are to giue counsell by this that y e Lawes of Greece ordained that those should be admitted to be Counsellers that were past fiftie yéeres of age Solon seeing that the flatterie of Pisistratus wherwith he abused the people of Athens was openly discouered and known to pretende no other thing then to vsurpe the Empire and to bring the gouernment of the Common-wealth vnto the rule of one man onely himselfe and that no man durst take vppon him to resist and hinder him he himselfe fetching his weapons out and laying them in the streete before his doore called all the Citizens to helpe him And Pisistratus sending vnto him to know vpō what assurance he durst be so bold to doo such things he aunswered vpon olde age which alwaies is most readie to giue counsaile in matters of waight and importance For it is frée as Plato saith from those affections and passions which trouble and molest youth King Agis béeing in Archadia with his Armie and readio to pitch the field with his enemies there was an ancient Lacedemonian that cryed out a loude that he should consider that one sore was not to be cured by another Signifying by this that he might haue gone away from the