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A94733	An apology or plea for the Two treatises, and appendix to them concerning infant-baptisme; published Decemb. 15. 1645. Against the unjust charges, complaints, and censures of Doctor Nathanael Homes, Mr Iohn Geree, Mr Stephen Marshall, Mr John Ley, and Mr William Hussey; together with a postscript by way of reply to Mr Blakes answer to Mr Tombes his letter, and Mr Edmund Calamy, and Mr Richard Vines preface to it. Wherein the principall heads of the dispute concerning infant-baptism are handled, and the insufficiency of the writings opposed to the two treatises manifested. / By Iohn Tombes, B.D.	Tombes, John, 1603?-1676.	1646 (1646)	Wing T1801; Thomason E352_1; ESTC R201072	143,666	170

down and preaching Christ I can boldly and cheerefully appeale to my Auditors of these Honourable Societies whereof not a few are eminent persons in the Honourable house of Commons For my app●●ring at this time I have given reasons which I suppose conscientious men will conceive weighty yea and preponderating 〈◊〉 divisions that may happen if that of Augustine be true 〈…〉 Nor do I know that any such divisions or confusions have happened by reason of my Te●●ises or are likely to happen but rather the contrary And if any divisions be now about that opinion they were afore my Treatises were published and if they encrease they are rather to be imputed to the violence of those Preachers who instigate the Magistrate to ex●●pate such as Heretickes who hold the opinion then to me who by practice and profession do hold Communion with them that differ from me and abhorse separation from my 〈…〉 this regard Nor do I doubt but that if it were not for the rigous of many Preachers a way might be found for Reformation in this matter without such a flame of division and confusion as Master Marshall apprehends But I wish that as in Germany the rigidnesse of some men was the destruction of the Protestants there so it happen not in like manner in England Another objection I meet with is that I have printed my Treatises contrary to the int●mation or as some alleage promise I made to Master Marshall which Master Marshall writing to me thus expresseth Pag. 1 2. of his Defence But when after some friendly conference with you you declared to me that if you might enjoy liberty to exercise your Minist●ry in some place where you should not be put upon the practice of baptizing of Infants you could yea and intimated to 〈◊〉 that you would keep this opinion privat● to your selfe provided only that of any should preach in your pulpit for the baptizing of them you should take your selfe bound in the same place to preach against it otherwise m●ns preaching or printing abroad should be no provocation to you And Pag. 244. Master Marshall faith thus For even to New England have some sent your writings and sufficiently in them showed your scorne of Master Thomas Goodwin Master Vines and my selfe as our friends do from thence write unto us That I may clearely and fully answer this charge and the former and state my selfe and proceedings right in the thoughts of men I think it necessary to make this following Declaration It hapned that in the yeare 1627. reading the Catechisme Lecture at Magdalen Hall in Oxford and having occasion in one of my Lectures to examine whether there be such a priviledge to the children of Beleevers that they should be accounted to belong to the Covenant and Church of God I found not sufficient ground either from Gen. 17. 7. or from the institution of Circumcision for the affirmative in that question The substance of my reasons then against the Argument drawn from Circumcision to baptisme I have compacted in that short discourse which is part 2 § 8. Pag. 29. of my Examen and begins at those words I dare not assent c. Which being the chiefe thing I stand upon I wonder Master Marshall so lightly passeth over calling it a tedious discourse altering my words and saying nothing to the reason I bring Wherefore then and since I declined the urging of those reasons for it and wholly rested on 1 Cor. 7. 14. conceiving that those words but now are they holy did import that priviledge to the children of a Beleeving Parent And accordingly practised baptizing of Infants upon the warrant of that Text only as I often told my Auditors at Lemster in Hereford-shire which some now about the City can witnesse It happened after I was necessitated to leave my place through the violence of the Kings Party after much wandring up and down with much danger to me and mine I came to the City of Bristoll and there preached for halfe a yeare in which time in dispute with an Antipaedobaptist I urged that Text 1 Cor. 7. 14. which he answered with so much evidence as that although I did not fully assent unto him yet as one that durst not oppose Truth who ever brought it I resolved with my selfe to consider that matter more full and to that end being enfeebled with labour in preaching and griefe by reason of the publike losses at that time and advised by my Physitian to remove out of Bristoll understanding the Assembly was to sit in Iuly 1643. I resolved to adventure a journey to London through Wiltshire to conferre with my Brethren of the Assembly and by the advantage of Books in London to make further search into that point It pleased God to stop my journey then by that sad and unexpected overthrow neere Devizes which necessitated me to get away from Bristoll by Sea into Pembrokeshire While I was there I chanced to meet with Vessius his theses de poedobaptismo and therin reading Cyprians and others of the Ancients Testimonies I suspected that in point of antiquity the matter was not so cleare as I had taken it but weighing those passages I conceived that the Ancients held only baptizing of Infants in the case of supposed necessity conceiving that by baptisme Grace was given and that all are to be saved from perishing and after in processe of time it became ordinary Wherefore I resolved if ever I came to London to search further into those two points of the meaning of 1 Cor. 7. 14. and the History of Paedobaptisme and accordingly God having brought my wife and children with much difficulty to me after a second plunder and by remarkable providence turning the wind against the Ships when they went without us bringing us out of Pembrokshire the day before it was appointed by the Kings Forces to send to apprehend me making the wind serve for a speedy voyage in foure dayes from Milford Haven to the Downes presently upon the receiving us into the Ship which I hope I shall ever remember to the praise of our God being come to London September 22. 1643. I applied my selfe to enquire into the points forenamed It happened that whereas I had this prejudice against the interpreting of the holinesse of the children 1 Cor. 7. 14. of Legitimation that no learned Protestant had so expounded it meeting with 〈◊〉 his notes not long before printed at Cambridge I found him of that opinion and after him Musculus and Melancthon and finding that the Sanctification in the forepart of the verse must be understood of lawfull copulation expressed by Beza thus Fidelis uxor potest cum infideli marito bona conscientia consuescere which sense only was sutable to the case resolved by the Apostle whether they might still continue together I observed that the Apostle speaking of the unbeleeving party mentions his unbeliefe but when he mentions the Beleever expresseth only the relation of husband and wife and that the reason of

these present Reverend Brethren VNderstanding that there is some disquiet in your Churches about Poedobaptisme and being moved by some that honour you much in the Lord and desire your comfortable account at the day of Christ that I would yeeld that a Copy of my Examen of Master Marshall his Sermon of Infant-Baptisme might be transcribed to be sent to you I have consented thereto and do commend it to your examination in like manner as you may perceive by the reading of it I did to Master Marshals not doubting but that you will as in Gods presence and accountable to Christ Iesus weigh the thing remembring that of our Lord Christ Ioh. 7. 24. Iudge not according to the appearance but judge righteous judgement To the blessing of him who is your God and our God your Iudge and our Iudge I leave you and the flocke of God over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers and rest From my study at the Temple in London May 25. 1645. Your Brother and fellow servant in the worke of Christ IOHN TOMBES THe accounting of this act a shewing of my scorne of Master Thomas Goodwin Master Vines and Master Marshall I take rather to be the effect of a distempered palat than a right-discerning taste After this sundry things happened which did induce me to yeeld to the importunity of those that sollicited earnestly the publishing of my writings for the publike good I had sent to Master Marshall after his returne from Scotland to know what he would do about the motions I made in the Epilogue of my Examen for the discussing of the point in difference between him and me The best of the answer I received was that sith I had now a place for my Ministery without baptizing Infants he expected I would be quiet About that time I had occasion to make triall of the Assemblies approbation of me The Examiner told me that there were many of the Assembly that did scruple in Conscience the giving approbation to me because of my opinion The Directory had been published and an Ordinance of Parliament to make the not using it penall Preparations were to send Bills to the King among which I assured my selfe that would be one which if once past it would be too late to make an afterplea The Sermons in publique were still as earnest against this tenet as ever The people of the City much enquired into this matter A publique disputation was once allowed about it to which I was earnestly solicited but for weighty reasons refused it Sundry came to me to request the perusall of my papers for their satisfaction many learned godly and prudent persons both of them that differed in judgement as well as those that agreed with me moved me to have them printed for the bringing of truth to light I saw not wherein any danger to the State or Church might be created by the printing of them and which was beyond all to me I was confirmed it was a truth I held had tried all fit meanes to have it examined had been guided in the searching of it and preserved for this businesse by many remarkeable providences and thereupon after prayer to God by my selfe and with others for his direction I yeelded to the printing of them not out of a restlesse spirit to vent my selfe as Master Marshall imagined nor out of any mind to encrease the divisions and confusions of the time then which there is nothing my spirit and waies more abhorre but to vindicate truth performe my duty to which I was bound by solemne Covenant to do my best for the preventing of that sad evill of removing out of the Ministery and out of Communion and out of the State also them that could not yeeld to Infant-Baptisme which is more likely then any thing to encrease our divisions and make tumults especially if the relations and instigations of some fiery spirits prevaile And in this I doubt not but I have dealt faithfully to God and to the State and charitably to other men without violating any engagement what ever I suffer in mine owne person I must confesse had I seen any inclination in the Assembly or Master Marshall or other leading-men to examine my writings in a faire Scholastike way and had I had meanes to be able to beare the charges of an impression and no Lawes likely to be established to make the holding of my opinion penall I had resolved not to publish my writings in English but in Latine and therefore I first framed my Exercitation in Latine conceiving the Assembly would have apprehended my aime and intention to be to deale only with Schollars in this matter but all things falling out crosse to my expectation I conceived it was the will of God it should be printed as it was Thus much for the justifying the publishing of my Treatises The next charge against me is my abusing my Antagonists And in this Master Geree in his Epistle to the Lord Mountague speakes thus The Author whom I answer hath used his opponents more coursly then was conventent to their worth and places But all men count his ●leightings of opponents a blemish to his worke Master Marshall in his Defence Pag. 244. For even thither have some sent your writings and sufficiently in them shewed your scorne of M. Thomas Goodwin Master Vines and my selfe as our friends do from thence write to us And Pag. 53. I alleadge all this to shew you should not thus vilifie and scorne their meaning the Ancients practice and grounds as if the Century writers and generally all Protestant writers yea Master Marshals owne friend if I mistake not The●philus Philokyrtaces Lon●ardiensis in his Dies Dominica when they note the naevi quisquiliae blemishes and errors of Fathers and Councils did vilifie and scorne them which if it be an uncharitable imputation to them it is so to me unlesse it be thought that men cannot conceive bad enough of an Antipaedobaptist Pag. 62. throughout your whole Treatise you strive to make an ostentation of reading and put abundance of scoffes and jeeres upon them who are of contrary mind to you Pag. 76. You powre out such abundance of scorne upon them who think otherwise then you do I answer 1. That the words interpreted as scoffing scorning and jeering are not such but usuall School-expressions frequent in Schooles and in the most temperate writings of the most moderate men of the same profession towards them that dissent from them so that I assure my selfe had not my Antagonists before distasted my worke and consequently the Author they would not have been so construed How ever Master Geree say all men count my sleighting opponents a blemish to my worke yet one I am sure commended my writing for the contrary that I had discovered the weaknesse of the opponents by such expressions nor did my Father Scudder except against those passages as offensive which Master Marshall doth though more then halfe was read to him and observed