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A41774	The Baptist against the papist, or, The Scripture and Rome in contention about the supream seat of judgment, in controversies of religion together with ten arguments or reasons, discovering the present papal church of Rome to be no true church of Christ : wherein it is also evinced that the present assemblies of baptized believers, are the true church of Jesus Christ / by Tho. Grantham ...	Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692.	1663 (1663)	Wing G1527; ESTC R40005	55,798	108

Power are the Instruments that in the Name of Christ and his Church are to exercise Government Matth. 18. 17 18. 1 Cor. 5. 3 4 5. 1 Tim. 1. 20. 5. 20. This Government consisteth in these things Exhortations Rebukes Reproofs c. with all long-Suffering and Doctrine 2 Tim. 1. 2. And if this prevail not with the Offenders then is the power of Excommunication to be exercised to the with-holding their Priviledges in the Church and to the delivering them up to Satan for the destruction of the Flesh and for saving the sinner from his sin And if this prevail not then the sinners sin is retained till the day of Judgment But if the sinner be humbled the sin is by the Church to be remitted and the Offender restored Matth. 18. 17 18. 1 Cor. 5. 3 4 5 11 13. 2 Thess 3. 6 14 15. Tit. 3. 11. Joh. 20. 23. And this Government is to be exercised without partiality 1 Tim. 5. 21. and without respect to filthy lucre 1 Pet. 5. 2. and without domination or lordship 2 Cor. 1. 24. 1 Pet. 5. 1 2 3 4. 1 Thess 5. 6 7 8. Now that this Goverment is only found in the present Assemblies of Baptized Believers is thus proved Out of the Church it cannot be and in the Church it must be Ephes 4. till all the Saints be perfected and that this Society and no other can be the Church I have also proved and for further evidence I refer every one to the exercise of the present Churches of baptized Believers in point of Ecclesiastical Government As for other Marks it is needless to insist upon them for that Church which hath these cannot be without the other so far as they are necessary Yea let it be well observed That that Church which hath true Antiquity is the Church alone which hath the Promise of Succession or whatsoever else is needful in a way of necessity in order to her being And therefore though we could not prove by History those things which many make great boast of yet having the most certain Mark Antiquity we have the other in Promise and therefore must believe that the Church hath not failed of the accomplishment of them for Histories some of them be quite lost and others partly silent and partly contradictory about these things Again if History did mention an un-interrupted continuance of Baptized Churches such I mean as we contend for yet it would be but Testis humano and so no foundation of Faith And beside it would suppose that the Church of Christ is so beholding to humane History as it 's impossible for her to prove her self the Church of Christ without it though she have the holy Scripture But this is surely to make the Church to stand upon too sandy a foundation THE END The Printer to the Reader Courteous Reader THe Author being at a great distance so that he could not attend the Press this Treatise was hastily read over by a Friend of his who having observed these few faults desires thee to correct them with thy Pen as also any other which thou shalt meet with that probably he hath overseen Page 16. line 19. for will allow reade will not allow P. 20. l. 23. f. these following r. in these things following P. 31. l. 22. f. they advance r. they might advance August contra Max. l. 3. c. 14. Mar. 7. These were both General Councils Mat. 26 1 Cor. 11 Cyprian Serm. Penet Gelas consec Dist 2. Aug. de Nat. Grat. Aug. in Iohn Tract 94. Aug. ad Fortunat August Prolog l. 3. de Trin. Orig. in Jer. hom 1. * The Apostles are here excepted Gerson exam of Doct. Panor chap. signif * Note there is not the word AS in my words only I say the same that is God must take up our quarrels and how that must be is shewed in my Answer following Heb. 1. 1. * Not denying Christ to be her foundation in the main Eph. 2. 20. Chrisost Hom. in Mat. 24 Aug. cont Petil c. 85 Aug. cont Max. l. 3. c. 14 S. N. Antidot Chrysost Hom. in Matth. Iren. l. 3 cap. 4. Aug. 7. Tome cont Ere 's Author 7. Qu. T. B. End to Contro Author of the 7. Queries Author of the 7. Queries * It would be here noted That neither the marks of Unity Universality c. nor the Creed do prove a People that hath them all to be the Church because none of them mention Baptism without which there cannot be a visible Church * See a Book entituled A well grounded Treattise concerning Baptism Justin Mart. in or at ad Autho. pium Jerom. super Mat. 28 Athan. in serm 3. cont Arrian Haimo in postil sup text Beda super Act. 19. Tertul. qui sunt Bapt. parvil Aug. de Civitat Dei † 2 Cor. 5. 20. Hillar contra Auxen Willit Synops Rhem. Test Annot. Rhem. Test Annot. Dist 32 cap. 10. Fab. Chron. Rhem. Test Annot. in Rev. 17. Aug. de Civitat Dei lib. 18. Chrys in Rev. 13. Luk. 12 51 52 53. Mat. 10 34 35. Luke 21. 16. 1 Cor. 7. 11 13 15 21 22 23. Mat. 3. 9. 2 Cor. 5. 16 17 18. Gal. 3. 2 6 29. Acts 10 35. Rom. 9. 6 7 8. Rom. 5. 16 18. Acts 2. 38 to 41. Fab. Chron. 4th part Yet this Eusebius doth seem to contradict Willit Synops Papis Jerome in ep ad Rom. Luk. 24 * Alias Rantism

God service by compelling Families Towns Countries Nations or many Nations to be of one mind in matters of Religion I say it is in vain because the Scripture foresees and also foreshews that the contrary effects must follow the preaching of the Gospel and yet they may yea and ought to live in one form of Civil Government for that is the will of God concerning every soul Rom. 13. 1 to 8. 3. The Gospel-Church cannot be National because that takes away from her Persecution for the Gospel-sake makes her become a Persecutor For it is impossible for a Church to be National without penal Laws whereby to force men to that kind of Worship which the greater part approveth which may as possibly be false as true But the true Church must not look to be free from Persecution if she live godly in Christ Jesus nor is any thing more uncomly for her than to punish or persecute men into a Conformity to her Faith or religious practice John 15. 19 20. Mat. 10. 22. 2 Tim. 3. 12. Luke 9. 56. And the greatest part of the Revelations do shew that the Church was to be in a suffering condition and are therefore bid to be patient until the coming of the Lord Jam. 5. 4. A National-Church cannot observe the discipline of the Church of Christ for in the case of withdrawing from disorderly persons they do not only separate men of disorder from the Church both in Civil and Religious concerns but they cast them wholly out of the World from all Markets and Fairs yea quite out of their Livelihoods c. which kind of Excommunication the Scripture foresees to be proper to the Churches Adversary Rev. 13. 16 17. 5. If the Gospel-Church ought to be National then she was imperfect in point of Power in the Apostles dayes for she had not then any Power to put Hereticks to death for their Heresie But to say that the Primitive Church wanted any Power to punish any sin as it concerns the Church to punish it is to disparage the Apostolical Churches and is also contrary to the Scriptures which plainly shew they had Power then to revenge all disobedience 2 Cor. 10. 4 5 6. The Fourth Reason The Papal Church encreaseth her self more by the Carnal Sword than by the Spiritual Word Therefore she is not the Church of Christ The fourth Reason maintained THat such Churches as are National do most encrease their numbers and keep them also when they have them by the terror of Death and Penal Laws both Experience shews and Reason tels that it cannot be otherwise How often hath our Nation changed their Religion with the breath of a Prince sometime to Popery and otherwhiles to Protestancy and under O. Cromwel to a compound of half Presbytery and half Independency according to the temper of those that sat at the Stern of Affairs And now how are they turn'd again to Prelacy Of which last change I say if any have conformed as judging it their duty to God so to do those though this doth not justifie their way to be good yet are honest men But if any for self-interest have done it they are the very dregs of men and will be any thing and so nothing 2. I remember a notable saying of Hillary who lived about the 4th or 5th hundred and in his dayes the Church was a degenerating from her Regeneral Constitution into a National Form where he saith Ambition doth aid it self by the Name of CHRIST the Church doth fear and compel the People through Banishments and Imprisonment to believe her in those things which she had received through being imprisoned She that could not be beloved of Christ if the World had not hated her now glorieth to be extolled and beloved of the World c. And that the Papal Church hath ordinarily encreased her self more by terror of the Carnal Sword than the Word of God doleful Histories do declare namely these Sleidan Comment A Book entituled The Indians Tears or Inquisition for Blood as also Fox his Acts and Monuments And here I think it meet to give an instance from one of their own Historiagraphers namely Fabinus He tells us that after Austin the Monk had gotten a considerable settlement in England it happened that there was a Council assembled in this Nation where Austin proposed several things to which the other Bishops could not consent but by your leave when Austin could not prevail by the Word or rather his words he told them If they would not submit they should be compelled by the wasting that should be made in their Country through War and Misery This was not Paul's way 2 Cor. 5. 20. The Fifth Reason The present Papal Church of Rome labours to keep the World in darkness and the Church also Therefore she is not the Church of Christ The fifth Reason maintained THe Consequence of this Argument no man can deny for there is nothing more opposit to the true Church than to love or cause darkness to seize upon any And that the present Papal Church of Rome labours to keep all men in darkness is thus proved 1. She forbids almost all men to reade the Scriptures and thereupon hath greatly withstood the Translation of them into every Tongue as is evident partly from what History declares and partly from that which themselves do say To omit History hear what they say themselves In their Preface to the Reader in the Rhemist Testament thus they speak Order was taken by the Deputies of the late famous Council of Trent in this behalf and confirmed by supream Authority That the Scripture though truly translated into the vulgar Tongues yet may not be indifferently read of all men nor of any other than such as have express Order thereunto of their lawful Ordinaries So that we see the Liberty here given is unlike the Liberty given by Christ to his enemies whom he commanded to search the Scripture John 5. 39. And the rich Glutton's Friends are said to have the Prophets and Moses Luk. 16. 29. Israel was of old indifinitly required to lay up the Book of the Law in their heart to talk of it as they sate in their houses as they went abroad they must teach them to their children and write them upon the posts of their doors Deut. 6. 4 to 9. Notwithstanding all this and much more liberty given by the Lord both to his Enemies and Friends to reade his Word you see the Council of Trent will have none permitted but whom the Ordinaries permit to reade the Scripture and they are only such as they judge discreet c. Pref. Rhem. Test Is it not strange that men pretending to be Christ's true Followers should thus contradict him He allowed that to his Enemies which they will not allow to his Friends Sure they have neither heard his Voice nor seen his Shape or at least not learned of him Miserable is the Gospel-Church by the Council of Trents Doctrine they have not