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A37064	A demonstration of the necessity of settling some Gospel-government amongst the churches of Christ in this nation held forth in an answer to a querie whereby Mr. Saltmarch did once endeavour to hinder the settlement of all church-government in the nation : written in the year 1646, and now published for the present use of these times, wherein it may be seasonable to be taken into consideration for the preventing of further confusion and disorder amongst the professors of the Gospell / by John Dury.	Dury, John, 1596-1680.; Hartlib, Samuel, d. 1662.	1654 (1654)	Wing D2851; ESTC R24917	50,485	74

A DEMONSTRATION Of the Necessity of settling some Gospel-Government Amongst the Churches of Christ in this NATION Held forth in an Answer to a Querie whereby Mr. Saltmarsh did once endeavour to hinder the Settlement of all Church-Government in the NATION Written in the Year 1646. by Mr. John Dury Minister of the Gospel And now Published for the present Use of these Times wherein it may be seasonable to be taken into Consideration for the preventing of further Confusion and Disorder amongst the Professors of the Gospell LONDON Printed for Richard Wodnothe in Leaden-hall-Market next door to the Golden Hart 1654. To the READER Christian Reader I Have thought good to publish at this time this Answer of Mr. Dury's to Mr. Salt-marsh though written some years ago viz. in the year 1646. because it may be now happily more seasonable then when he first did Penne it It was not published then because some other Answers were then put forth which did seem to give satisfaction to the multitude though they were not written so Vnpartially and with that moderation of Spirit But seeing the times seem to be now ripened for some kind of Settlement and the inconveniencie of the Delay which Mr. Saltmarsh did then plead for is more fully discovered then was then fore-seen hence perhaps it may fall out that the way of Vnprejudicate Orderliness which is here held forth may be thought worth some due Consideration amongst the Churches and by Gods blessing may prove some help to such as are willing to Associate themselves without any pretence to Worldly Power to impose the same upon others but onely to make use amongst themselves of Gospell-Ordinances for mutuall Edification Mr. Saltmarsh did then stumble at the pretence of Power to settle the Churches of the Presbyterian Way with Authority over others which perhaps might be in the thoughts of some Ministers but I suppose it is now evident that none do any more affect any such Dominion over their Neighbours as he apprehended yet that there ought to be some Orderly Way of Government in the Societies of Saints which are the House of God I suppose will be without all dispute and how far that may be settled amongst the Saints and approved by a State this Treatise will in some measure I hope manifest And that Mr. Duryes meaning may not be mistaken as if he would have the Magistrate to impose by Humane Authority the Ordinances of Christ which he counts such and suffer none to have liberty but such as practise the Way which he approves I have added unto this Treatise a Discourse which the Author sent unto me upon another occasion to be Communicated unto Captain Coysh of Worthy Memory wherein he opens himself concerning the Magistrates Duty as a Christian in advancing Church-Government as it is Nationall which perhaps may at this time also be more seasonable then formerly it could have been to worke Peace and Vnity amongst the Professors of the Truth and that it may worke somewhat towards this effect I offer it unto Thee and beseech the Lord to blesse it in whom I rest ever Thy faithfull Friend and Servant Samuel Hartlib Faults escaped in Printing Page 5. line 5. for a Kingdom read the Kingdom p. 3. l. 5. f. happiness unto r. happiness of p. 21. l. 24. f. 4th Ch. r. 14th Ch. p. 28. l. 26. f. is to Gods will r. is according to Gods will p. 35. l. 20. f. hot r. not An Introduction to Mr. Samuel Hartlib Shewing the End of Mr. Saltmarsh his Querie and the Heads of the Answer to be given to it Loving Friend YOu know you can command the discovery of my judgement in all things which have any reference to the advancement of Truth and the Counsels of Peace Therefore although Mr. Saltmarsh his Pamphlet is scarce worth the Answer yet I shall not leave your desire unanswered so far as my poor Talent can be useful in this kind and time will permit Some scrupulous Consciences as these times are may be staggered with his Suggestions and there is a Method of Error in that way of starting matters which he has followed fit to seduce and entangle the ignorant and such as are partially prepossessed against their Brethren and yet he perhaps himselfe without any set purpose may be unawares led into it for a deceived heart doth turn men aside that they cannot deliver their own souls Sure I am he is full of prejudicate thoughts and by reason of the same hath lost his true Aime and the way of Resolving his own Querie For he that makes a Querie should at least seem to make a doubt thereof and then endeavour either to shew or to seek the way how to resolve it without partiality But Mr. Saltmarsh seems not to intend any such thing because his whole Discourse is framed onely to raise doubts in the weaker and not to crave the opinion of any or to receive the resolution of his Querie from the Wiser Perhaps some good opinion of his own Sufficiency sure is was no fear of insufficiency to determine so weighty a matter hath made him thus forward to perswade the continuance of our Unsettlement in Government But I suppose his ingenuity may be such that although he made at first no doubt of determining his Querie yet his Determination thereof may be made upon after thoughts doubtfull to himself Therefore I shall endeavour as briefly as may be to let you see how a Doubt of this nature should be resolved But before I enter upon this Taske I would desire him if I were acquainted with him to Answer a Question whereby he would perhaps clear a doubt of mine touching his Ingenuity in handling this Querie which when I have done I shall tell you how I purpose to proceed in Answering it My Question is Wherefore in the place of the Scripture 2 Cor. 10.8 quoted in his Title Page he hath changed the words of the Text putting in stead of Edification the word Instruction There is no likelihood that this is a fault of the Printer or if it had been his fault that it would have been left uncorrected the words being so much different But every one that readeth Mr. Saltmarsh his Discourse and taketh notice of his Aime will easily find that the one word is purposly put for the other to forestall the mind of the unwarie and simple Reader by whom Quotations are not examined with a Notion as from the Word of God which may prepare him to receive without scruple that which he intends afterward to insinuate and deliver Namely that it is fit the Ministeriall Charge should be restrained by the Civill power onely to Teaching If this be not his aime I would pray him to let me know ingenuously how the alteration doth come But if he had this subtilty in his Aime as a man may suspect he had then I must tell him ingenuously that I wonder he durst do so not onely in a matter of such consequence but