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A13210 The falshood of the cheife grounds of the Romish religion Descried and convinced in a briefe answere to certaine motiues sent by a priest to a gentleman to induce him to turne papist. By W.S.; Seminary priest put to a non-plus Sutton, William, 1561 or 2-1632.; Sutton, William, b. 1607 or 8. 1635 (1635) STC 23508; ESTC S100149 32,996 132

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