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A57817	The Barbican-cheat detected, or, Injustice arraigned being a brief and sober disquisition of the procedure of the Anabaptists late-erectecd judicature in Barbican, London, the 28th of the moneth called August, 1674 : with some observations upon their pretended account thereof, in their pamphlet term'd, The Quakers appeal answered / by Thomas Rudyard.	Rudyard, Thomas, d. 1692.	1674 (1674)	Wing R2177; ESTC R24506	13,009	36

the like Letter to G. Whitchead's House in his Absence also being then far distant from London this Answer was returned by G. Whitchead's Wife I did presume to open my Husband's Letter lest I might prejudicially keep it now finding the Consequence requiring my Husband and W. Penn at a Day and time within all liklihood they are incapable of answering being very remote from this City and the Truth is in Plainness I know not when or where to send to either of them and so did think it best to return the Letter with this plain Information That I am thy Friend Ann Whitehead 〈◊〉 T. H's Relation Epist to the Reader And what could not this prevail for a further Day Not a small Suspension of Time Alas no not with them as appears that designed nothing less then their Presence and desired nothing more then their Absence But were they so Just to their Auditory to read Philip Ford's Letter that the People might understand the Cause of their Absence No such Matter that would exceed the Bounds of Justice we must expect from their Hands But to do VV. Kiffin Right he openly mentioned as well the former as latter but wrested them with such Artifice to his designed Ends that they served to patch up a nouting Prologue to his mixt Auditory and by the East of England in Philip Ford's Letter he represented VV. Penn as in Travail in the East Country or East Indies he knew not whether the Pleasantness of which Discant so pleased the Confederates and gratified the airy Sort that for a Time they filled the whole House with Laughter but for this publick Abuse VV. K. has privately acknowledged his Mistake to his Friends and so we excuse him But as to VV. P. and G. W's Absence how grandly soever it pleased and that I am well assured not a little he represented as usually are Ru●negates Excommunicates and Outlaws and that because they appeared not upon the peremptory Summons I must declare my Occasions have somewhat experienced me in the Practice of the Courts of Common Law and Equity and of Courts Ecclesiastical and Civil within this Kingdom but of all from the Highest to the Lowest there is none within the Verge of my Knowledge that are so peremptory in Summons and so absolute in Decrees The Excommunicate has forty Dayes to assoil himself Persons not outlawed under two if not three Terms But we must be Adjudged Condemned Sentence past on us as Runnagates or Outlaws upon eight or nine Dayes Summons and that not personal neither beyond the Severity of all English Courts whatever And who is ignorant of the frequent and common Practice in all English Courts yea as well in the high Courts of Parliament and King and Counsel as all subordinate Courts and Judicatures Civil or Ecclesiastical to defer Hearings and suspend Judgments till both Parties can be ready and to give further Day in case either Party by Reason of Absence or Distance cannot probablyattend But this new Judicature knows or executes no such Fairness but absolutely denies such common Justice vide to J. Osgood T. Hicks Relat. Epist to the Reader O horrid Abuse blush and be ashamed ye Masters of Inquisition and Pattern of Cruelty in this our Native Country that knows no such Practice or Procedure that you in open Stage have brought an Emblem Representative So shall I descend to the third particular under Disquisition 3. The Capacity of the Judges And truly if such as they bespeak themselves they are without Exception no less then infallible in this Case say W. K. c. Relat. Epist Reader The first time I understood Infallibility was annexed to their Cathedra but how comes this stamp of Infallibility upon these Judges with no less Authority then from the Quaker 's Ensample if we will credit W. Kiffin's c. Logick Relat. Epist Reader sayes he for W. Penn sayes That to which an Appeal is made must be capable of giving an Infallible Judgment and so a true Judge Consequently sayes W. K. c. we must be Infallible Judges in this Case Must his Reader take for granted that Infallibility is a natural Consequence of Capacity I grant they were capable of doing right must they therefore be Infallible and have they done that Right What! have you taken so much Pains to stigmatize the best of Men with Error and the very Spirit of God in his People with Fallibility and stamp Infallibility upon your selves Did it disgust you that W. Penn made the Light of Christ or Witness of God's Spirit in the Conscience that arraigns the Murderer pursues the Blood-shed reproves the Unrighteous and gives impartial Judgment without Respect of Persons a true upright Judge and capable of true Judgment betwixt him and the Socinian and shall you strain your Achievements to Infallibility But why should W. Kiffin c. so unequally repeat W. P 's Words Can they no more then T. Hicks truly repeat a Sentence without Abuse We might have expected better Dealing from their Gravity but I debt it Sayes W. Penn Spir. of Truth vindic p. 78. That to which he viz. the Socinian makes an Appeal must be capable c. or else he appeals foolishly This respects refers only to the Socinian's Appealing to the Light of God in the Conscience and not to Man or any Sort or Sect of Men whatsoever But W. Kiffin c. that they might sit in Judgment without Controle wrests that Discourse which respected and referred to that particular Appeal to the Light or Spirit of God so limited by the Appealers layes them down in other Words then had W. P. viz. That to which an Appeal is made c. or else the Appeal is foolish Compare but the Words and their Artifice is seen weigh their Sense and thou wilt see their Deceit VV. Penn by his refers only to the Appealers and the Light to which the Appeal is made respects not Men who distinct or separate from that to which the Socinian appealed are fallible nay not capable of true Judgment But W K. c. with A W. Penn saith in an abusive Manner belies his Words alters his Sense wrests that to Men which was attributed to the Spirit of God or the Light of God in the Conscience and all this Pains to attribute Infallibility to themselves Take but the Words as W. Penn really writ without W. K. c. their metamorphosing them That to which he makes an Appeal must be capable of giving an Infallible Judgment and so a true Judge or else he appeals foolishly But the Light within is that to which he makes an Appeal c. Consequently sayes W. K. c. we must be Infallible Judges in this Case Was the Socinian's Appeal to Men Or was W. P 's Argument or Conclusion for the Judgment of Men Nothing less Had it been so then those Anabaptists had half cover'd their Cheat when now it is plain to the meanest 〈…〉 Man of Reason And at

to shew his genius that charges us with Baseness general pretends to prove it by a Particular and that not by any direct words but words of such an Import I appeal to the Judicious if this be candid Dealing At this rate of Proof and some rebate too 't were easie to prove the Anahaptists in general the most Cruel and Treacherous sort that have appeared in the latter Ages of the World Observ 4. It s of N. Lucas's relating to some words which T. H. variously charges him withal That T. H. his Charge was as false as malicious I doubt not but for T. Hicks his words in the Close of his Paragraph I do assure thee that no such Matter was referred to him had he attested this or such like in a Court of Justice he had scarce excused a Commitment for he who affirms a Negative of Persons and Things acted out of his Presence shews his Confidence but incurr'd Perjury or at least the Demerit of a False Witness for not speaking the Truth of his Knowledge Observ 5. The next Abuse of us T. H. would excuse himself of is this viz. The Tendency sayes he of all the Quakers reasoning about instituted Religion is to debauch Mankind and to teach men to live in Rebellion against God For this he produces W. Penn as he sayes for his Compurgator The Paragraph is large so I repeat it not its Substance is to deny the U●e of Water-Dip●ing or Babe-Baptism and their Bread and Wine term'd un cripturally Ordinances of Christ this T. H. supposes a Proof But certain I am that its easie to prove that the enforcing of these Outward Ordinances as he terms them and the various Opinions thereof each Party pretending no less Authority then the holy Scriptures for his Perswasion has Occasioned by the Papists and Anabaptists in Germany and else-where more Massacries Rebellions Murders and Acts of Cruelty then all other Articles or Opinions in Doctrine and Practice whatsoever So to the Witness of God in the Conscientious Reader do I commit this for Judgment betwixt us and our ábusive Adversary to judge whether he has not rather added to his Abuse then excused it Observ 6. I take notice of his representing an Appeal made by some professed Socinians or in their Behalf and the Answer in Print his Discant thereon complaining That our Friends instead of hearing the Persons grieved c. constitute the Person offending to determine give Sentence in his own Case Such a Procedure as this ayes he I believe is not to be instanced the Quaker excepted among any sort of Men either Christian or Heathen Answ I answer his Complaint from his own Hand First As for their constituting W. P. to Answer the Appeal instead of Hearing the Appealers He tells us in the same page the Answer of our Friends was That William Penn had answered it How then could they constitute him upon the Appeal as Tho. Hicks falsly insinuates to answer when it was answer'd before the pretended Appeal made 2dly As to the Complaint of our not Hearing the Persons grieved and scornfully treating them I answer We scornfully treat no one but they coming to advocate for a Nameless Socinian-Pamphlet we thought it but reasonable to enquire the Author of the Abuse who Jesuit-like had under Coverts and Disguise attempted to assassinate the Reputation of our Religion and Persons such Mascaradoes in Religious Matters we did and do disdain and judged their Missaries unworthy reception and gave the Answer as T. H. recites as their due Demerit And 3dly For passing Sentence without Hearing the Person complained not to be instanced as he sayes among any sort of men either Christian or Heathen us excepted I answer T. Hicks in his very next following words appollogizing for the Barbican-Sentence sayes he It will be requisite and I presume W. Penn hath not Reason to be offended it being his own Method for this once that a Fool be answered according to his Folly Well what would this man have Why so angry at us for doing that for which he justifies his own Party Nay I am sure he has parralell'd our Case with Advantage and that upon his own shewing In short he railes he abuses he contradicts he excuses Not a Case says T. H. to be instanced and presently he gives us one himself which truly puts me in mind of a plain English Proverb very suitable for his learning viz. A Lyar had need of a Good Memory Obs 7. And to verifie this take the last Passage in his Postscript upon his Discant of W. P. telling them that their Appeal did not intend such Power of Judgment in the Baptists that they should try whether Tho. Hicks was guilty and to stand by their Judgment right or wrong upon this T. Hicks runs his Ordinary Course of Mistake and Abuse as if we would judge a Man without hearing and pass a Sentence without Examination and so descends to his Letany saying From such Government and Governour Good Lord deliver me Alas he had wittingly or willingly forgot the End of the Appeal if he return but to his Judges Epistle to their Reader in their dark Representatives thereof he will find our End of Appeal was to know if they would own him and his Work that according we might deal with him and to manifest the Nature and Intent of the Appeal against T. H. see in pag. 22. in the Section of Forgeries charged on T. H. sayes W. Penn And God will require this Wickedness at the Churches Hand to which he relates if they indulge or connive at it See more pag. 33 34. Does any believe it reasonable we should make our Enemies absolute Judges or according to that commen Anglicism Ask a Man whether his Brother he a Thief and submit to his Opinion The Matter in Question was whether they would own him and his Work that we might deal with them separate or as Confederates in Abuse And he that would strain the Appeal further may at that rate make the unconverted Gentiles Judges over Peter and John who appealed to them the Pharisees over Christ in the Parable of the Husbandman and the Men of Israel over the Lord God Almighty who were called to Judge betwixt him and his Vine They are Judges to whom we call for Justice and Judgment which if denyed or not executed we appeal from them and testifie against them and their Judgment so this I affirm is Reasonable Equal and Practicable as well in Religious as Civil Matters as well in Courts Ecclesiastical as Civil so we with W. P. deny their Judgment Concluding with the Prophet's words He looked for Judgment but behold Oppression for Righteousness but behold a Cry Isa 5.7 Observ 7. I observe T. Hicks takes no small Pains in his Postscript to present his Reader with his Willingness of a publick Meeting and Promise of regular Dispute if we will believe the Rules he prescribeth shall be so to him How fair a Disputant and how capable he is for that purpose Time will experience hereafter Surely T. H. hadst thou either regard to Honesty or any Measure of Truth amongst Men thou'lst not have dared so to misrepresent G. W's Dealing with thee about a publick Meeting Certainly thou mayst remember G. W. did first charge thee for Gross Errors Self Contradictions and Forgeries and required an Open Meeting to make it good Didst thou then directly accept of it Thou knowest to the contrary but instead thereof givest thy Six Particulars to thwart his Charge Howbeit G. W. did sufficiently condescend and earnestly endeavoured for a publick Meeting with thee to make good his Charg against thee which thy perverse Delatory Letters to evade his Charge prevented as by the Letters then past betwixt you may be made evident to any unbyassed Mind and Understanding Answerable unto this Account was the Carriage of William Kiffin and his Brethren at Barbican what Pains in our Absence did they take to represent us as Fugatives as Runnagates as Persons not daring to meet them as Persons with whom they had used their utmost Endeavour and Capacity to meet publickly and alwayes by us denyed Thus did they insult and romance behind our Backs when at the same time as I have just Cause to believe they desired nothing less Nay farther such various Reports such artificial Representations such abusive Constructions have they and their Confederates filled the Minds of the Unsteady People as if to Misrepresent to Belye and Slander us were so far from Injustice that 't were their Duty yea meritorious to be found against us in such immoral Practices I grant by Contending alone they have got the Goal a Boy of Seven can do the like at which Achievement they do not a little Rejoyce and Insult and as T. Hicks made a Quaker of his own and baited him for being such these design'd a Meeting for themselves and quarrel because they accomplisht it Mistake me not I intend not to involve all those who are under the denomination of Anabaptists as Actors and Accessaries in this late Abuse But Tho. Hicks William Kiffin Han. Knowles Tho. Paul John Norcott Robert Snelling Jonathan Jenings Joseph Mortan John Hunter William Dix Edw. Noble Joh. Singleton Dr. Daniel Dyke John Gosnell Hen. Forty Tho. Wilcocks Maurice King Tho. Plaint Owen Davies John Snelling John Vernon Ro. Maton James Baron Judges in the late Judicature and their actual Abettors and Confederates be they Presbyter Independant Socinian c. Neither intend I this to obstruct any other who may further scrutinize their Work and late abusive Pamphlet only thus much I judged my Duty as a present Reproof to their late Actions of Abuse and Falseness And this from a Real Lover of Truth and Hater of Falshood Thomas Rudyard THE END