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A18368	A treatise against iudicial astrologie Dedicated to the right Honorable Sir Thomas Egerton Knight, Lord Keeper of the great Seale, and one of her Maiesties most honorable priuie Councell. VVritten by Iohn Chamber, one of the prebendaries of her Maiesties free Chappell of VVindsor, and fellow of Eaton College.	Chamber, John, 1546-1604.	1601 (1601)	STC 4941; ESTC S107654	105,203	193

of 88 would be by water and therefore very politikely they began to prepare for it betime longer a great deale then euer Noah did for the flood And sure they might haue done well if they had bin prouided of a pilot such as was Hen. Nicholas in Chaucer But it fell out reasonable well with them for they sped almost as well in their Calloones as if they had bin in his tubs Some of these figure-flingers vpon their skil haue bin so confident that before hand vpon their predictions they would venter neuer to keep shop longer in that trade if their predictions failed Their predictions failed they haue bin as good as their word by neuer medling that way since A maine maister in these matters no lesse then Leouitius Iliad 1. vers 91. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 wold needs giue out to the world the day of his death The day being past and the man aliue and as well for health as euer he was one told him of it maruelling that so learned a man wold be so fowly ouershot but he seeking to put it off with a iest answered that he neuer made a more happielie Pope Iohn the 22. was also very presumptuous this way giuing out to all his friends in a solemne meeting and feast to their great comfort as he thought that he was to liue a long time yet for all his skill he died within foure dayes after In 88. what cause had men to beleeue that prediction when in all the yeares before they saw no preparation to any such matter neither in heauen nor in earth If the world was then to die there would haue gone some signes of decay as it were sicknesse before except they thought it was to die in a sound or an apoplexie When men are thus readie to father all their follies vpon heauen imputing to it the cause of whatsoeuer hapneth who can hold and not exclaime with him 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Alacke how men do heauen accuse When they themselues do it abuse Neither are their predictions only false but also most infortunate as running still vpon infortunate and dismall effects or euents as may appeare by their learned Almanackes where you shall find such catalogues of diseases warres treasons and such like without anie one mention of anie good to come that a man would thinke there were no goodnes in heauen For such dismall Wisards may well serue that of the Poet Iliad 1. vers 106. where Agamemnon brauing Chalcas vseth these words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Could Prophet most infortunate that neuer yet could tell Of any thing that should befall or happen to me well Thou lou'st such things to prophecie as meanes no good but ill Thou neuer spake good word as yet or did good with thy will CHAP. IX Of the subiect of Predictions BVt some are woont to oppose them thus Of things wee see done because some are necessarie some casuall and some in our free power The Astrologers must needes say that their predictions hold either in necessarie things or in casuall euents or in those things which are in our power If they say in necessarie things then are their predictions in vaine for that which hapneth necessarily wee cannot auoid but will we nill we it wil come to passe whereas predictions are then onely auailable when by them we can escape Secondly if they say in casuall euents then they do professe an impossibilitie For casual euēts are vncertain but of vncertainties which may happen this way or that way there can bee no certaine or sure prediction It remaineth therfore that their predictions be in things which are in our power which also is impossible For that which is in my power whether it shall happen or no neither hath any further cause at the first that can no man foretell the Astrologers therefore haue no certaine subiect for their predictions The same reason as serued Tullie against the Wisards of his time may likewise fit vs against these whom we now deale with in the secōd de Diuinat thence we reason thus Astrologie auaileth neither where Sence Arte Philosophie or ciuill policie is vsed therefore it auaileth no where nor in anie subiect First for Sence To iudge colours we haue our eyes to iudge sounds our eares for smelles our nose and such like Neither were an Astrologer if he were blind able to iudge of colors or if he were deafe of sounds were he neuer so skilfull As for matters of Art who wold leaue the Physitian to know of him what physicke he should take or what diet he should keepe or what veine he should open what humour he were to purge and how much and with what dosis in what forme of purge whether with pilles potions or bole and such like The squaring of circles the doubling of cubes and such like haue alwayes beene left to the Geometrician For Arithmetike who euer went to him to learne to adde or subtract For Musike to learne to frame his voice to know how to diuide the Monochord or whether Diatessaron be a concord or a discord For Astronomie to know of him whether the earth or Sun were greater whether the interposition of the earth be the cause of the eclipse of the Moone For Philosophie who euer went to them to know his dutie toward his friend or fo kiffe or kin prince or subiect How he was to frame a syllogisme what were the elements whereof all things are made What Prince for gouerning his realm did euer vse them rather then wise and sage Councellours If the question be of the best forme of gouernement what lawes what fashions are fittest who in these causes conferreth with the Astrologer and not rather with the States-man If for answer to these and the like obiections they shall tell vs that their predictions are in another maner of subiect as in particular actions of men depending vpon their natiuitie who doth not see how they seeke shifts and euasions such as at this time my leisure can not stand vpon For particulars can they tell vs whether Peter was euer at Rome where King Arthur died and how and where he was buried and such like CHAP. X. Of the small vse of Predictions though they were true FArther we say that if their predictions or prognostications be true thē they are of necessitie and if of necessitie they cannot be auoided and if they cannot bee auoyded they are knowne in vaine for to what end should we know things so before if wee cannot preuent and auoide them Nay by this meanes we should be in much worse case then if wee knew nothing being tormented and vexed not onely with the present euils but with expectation of them long before This well knew Seneca as may well appeare by those words Epist lib. 13. Epist 89 Whether the starres saith he be causes of euents what auaileth the knowledge of a thing immutable or signifie onely to what end wouldest

this point we may safely follow Galen but not in the other both because he was deceiued as hath bin proued and because his iudgement and authoritie in Philosophy is not much set by euen of some of his best friends for both Auicen and Rabby Moses gaue out that hee did but flutter in the bowes of arts and neuer came at the root Oftentimes also he faileth in logike and naturall philosophie and in his discourses of motus and anima How slenderly he was seen in Astrologie may appeare by his computation which he maketh of the course of the Moone and Conciliators defence of him is that in his time the motion of heauen and that skill was very gazen and scarce well found Farther he plainely refuseth to giue the reason why the Moone should haue any such force in these quadrangular and opposite signes alleaging only the authoritie of the Aegyptians whome notwithstanding in the sixt booke of Simples he taunteth and condemneth as doters Neither could they be obserued of such as neuer well knew the course of the Moone For Hipparchus of Rhodes was the first that in this point came any thing neare the truth after him Ptolemy did better yet so that the Arabians did not allow of him Our moderne masters the course of the Moone being better found haue picked a new reason out of the nature of the signes which agreeth neither with the truth nor with Galen whō they follow nor with their positions which they defend The quadrangular and opposite signes say they haue contrary qualities they meane for heat cold drinesse and moysture either both or the actiue qualities at least Then going on they farther ad that the quadrangular and opposite aspects are contrarie Vpon these suppositions they infer that when the Moone is come to these places which are contrary to those which it was in at the beginning of the disease then nature the disease striue For example say they if the Moone be in Taurus when one falleth sicke when it commeth to the quadrangular or opposite place to wit Leo or Scorpius then is deadly feid betweene the disease and nature Hence we infer that the Moone will much more doe it when she is in Gemini which differeth from Leo more then Taurus doth the like will fall out when she is in Libra which differeth from Taurus more then doth Scorpius This argument or consequence is to be proued euen out of the Astrologers themselues For by their positions the sign of Taurus is dry cold Leo dry and hot Scorpius drie and cold Gemini hot and moist To this perhaps they will reply that these signes are not ioyned by any aspect Againe we proue that there is no contrarietie in these places For if they be contrarie the Moone by their position should shew this contrarie effect as soone as it came to any place of contrarie qualitie but it commeth from a cold and drie place to an hot and moist yeeldeth not the contrarie effect therefore this position falleth Now if they will say that the force consisteth in the aspects themselues they ought consequently to holde that the Moone comming to trigonall signes should fortifie the disease because there is as much force to concord in triangles as to discord in squares for as by reason of discord of qualities quadrangles stir vp the disease so by reason of concord triangles shall not stir them vp This being thus that will follow to crosse the rules of Phisitians that the 11 day will be hurtfull which notwithstanding is otherwise by their rules seing that the Moone the 11. day almost groweth trigonall Farther it cannot be as Phisitians hold that the sixt eight day among the rest cause ill cōmotions for this were against Astrologie which vpon those dayes bringeth the Moone to square aspects Againe why count they the tenth day twelfth hurtfull the Moone then not being placed in any aspect with the signe of the disease But neither by reason of sun Moon nor constellation can they finde any cause why the criticall daies should be sometime euen sometime od For to let the rest passe now they make the 41. day criticall after that they drawe in euen dayes the 60 the 80 and the 120. then they goe by moneths and yeares For the constellations in these times doe much vary as the astrologers say whereas the phisitians will haue their criticall dayes to be set continuall and vniforme To shut vp this discourse let vs heare the shamefull errour of Conciliator the malice of the sixt day which Galen compareth to a tyrant as the seuenth day to a king may be saith he reduced to the Moone which commeth with more speede to the tetragonal aspect The goodnesse of the seuenth he chargeth vpon the nature of the tetragonall which was cōtrary to the signe of the disease So from the square he deriueth both the malice of the sixt and the goodnes of the seuenth Farther the circuit of humours he reduceth to the starres the slowest circuit of melancholy for that lieth quiet two dayes he referreth to Saturne choler he ascribeth to Mars flegme to the Moone blood to Iupiter but how fondly now see The blood putrifieth without any pause therfore his circuit should by their rule be ascribed to the swiftest planet not to Iupiter which if you consider his reuolution is the slowest of all sauing Saturne Againe if that be true that the operation of the slower starres be slower proportionably to their slownesse then choler should make a longer fit then flegme because the restitution or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of Mars is much slower then the Moones Notwithstanding the flegmatique fit is much longer then the fit of choler for this latter is twelue howers the other is eighteene howers long Hence is cleare that the course giuen to flegme doth better fit blood for whereas it resembleth the motion of the sea which ebbeth and floweth scarse putting any time betweene that doth better agree to blood then flegme which is in cōtinual motion as the sea is in which the litle time betweene the ebbing and flowing can by no meanes answer to the sixt howers respite in a flegmatike ague Lastly if flegme answered to the water then in twentiefoure howers it should make two periods of motition as the sea doth which we see doth not answear neither Farther there is more resemblance agreement betweene the earth and the water thē earth and fire in respect both of motion qualities and place and because they be as Aristotle saith symbola For the earth is cold drie the water cold and moist the fire hot dry the first two descending the fire ascending which also is in the highest spheare as the earth in the lowest with the water next it and then the ayre Therefore the motion of choler should more differ from flegme then from melancholie if the humors be compared with the elementes And now that the Pope intercalateth certaine dayes sooner then we and at