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A67420 More news from Rome, or, Magna Charta discoursed of between a poor man & his wife as also a new font erected in the cathedral-church at Gloucester in October 1663, and consecrated by the reverend moderate bishop, Dr. William Nicolson ... : as also an assertion of Dr. William Warmstrey ... wherein he affirmeth that it is a lesser sin for a man to kill his father than to refrain coming to the divine service established in the Church of England ... Wallis, Ralph, d. 1669. 1666 (1666) Wing W616; ESTC R15738 46,742 50

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And again Luther saith Christus non vi aut igne homines cogere vult Christ will not by fire and force compel men And Tindal saith Fides sua sponte non coacte agere vult Faith will work of its own accord not by constraint And he is a young Student in the university that cannot tell you Voluntas cogi non potest the will cannot be compell'd But what need we go to humane Authors when we have the practise of our Saviour left for instruction and imitation He that hath ears to hear let him hear and he that will not let him chuse whether he will or no. When his Apostles moved him to command fire from Heaven to have destroyed them that received him not see what he saith Ye know not of what spirit ye are for the Son of man is not come to destroy mens lives but to sove them Wife these things are so publickly known that I might spare to make mention of them but not yet known to my Children and one thing more out of History That which is recorded in the life of Simon and Jude the Apostles as both Gulielmus defancto amore and John His relate That when the Chief Ruler was very angry with those that defamed the Doctrine of the Apostles and in great Zeal commanded a fire to be made that such opposers might be cast into it the Apostles fell down before the Emperour saying We beseech you Sir let not us be the Authors or Causers of this destraction who are come to publish the Doctrine of eternal Salvation neither let us who are sent to revive those who are dead through sin become the killer of those who are alive And if there was an Act of Parliament that all men should have faces one like another and propose one man for a Pattern it would be as easily brought to pass as to compel all men to be of one Judgment for he that hath a hand in forming of the face hath a hand in forming the Judgment and the forcing of men to forms of worship comes to as much as the man's Penance which he performed in Powls lately at the latter end of March it was thus A man had married an ancient woman by whom he had no issue she dying he matried the daughter by whom he hath two children and she great with the third they agree very well and he is a loving tender husband unto her nevertheless the Consanguinity must produce a Divorce He stood in a white sheet rather than he will give a great sum of money he must make a publick Confession of his Crime by saying after one who had a Paper in his hand and for this his notorious offence which is esteemed so by them or at least dissembled so to be he must desire the Congregation to pray for him all this while he resolves to continue his love to her and that she is his wife lawfully And such is a forced Conformity to the Forms of Worship now in fashion but when men are once got out of a dark dungeon they will hardly be brought into it again But fear of trouble may make men do that outwardly which inwardly they detest and so make Hypocrites Mr. Fox reports of John Frith's Son who seeing his Father burnt some of them who had a hand in his Fathers death demanded of the young man how he did believe who answered Even as it pleaseth you W. Husband So it is that Great men and Parliaments Convocations and Councils have deemed such a Reformation and Conformity requisit in well govern'd Kingdoms H. VVife Elibu one of Job's friends saith that Great men are not alwayes wise neither do the Mighty understand Judgment Convocations and Councils may err as in the Council of Nice where one Paphnutius withstood the whole Council consisting of three hundred and eighteen Bishops and convinced them all And Parliaments may as we have seen be sometimes wise and sometimes otherwise True spiritual Wisdom which is from above accords with the Scriptures but that which is beneath Scripture and cannot be warranted by it is earthly earnal sensual and devilish and enmity against God I have already told you in a former discourse that Convocations and Parliaments have nothing to do to make Laws for Christ's Kingdom that 's on his shoulders that were to charge him with want of wisdom and his Laws with imperfection For the souls of men and women he alone is the Law-giver or else what Law-giver is he The Magistrates power extends no further than to the outward man to require obedience in Civil things neither can Great men as we see reform themselves Convocation-men nor Parliament-men they may aswell undertake to sanctifie justifie or glorifie a soul as to reform a soul Sanctification is the work of the Spirit Justification the work of God's Free-Grace by the imputation of Christ's Righteousness Glorification the work of the Father Christ dying for man is his redemption Christ living in man is his reformation What is the Magistrates place then only to encourage protect keep peace and punish open and gross offenders W. Husband doth not this derogate from the honour of a Magistrate if his power extend only to temporal things H. Wife if Caesar have his due he can require no more and it would exceedingly redound to the honour of a Magistrate to give Christ the hononr of his own Kingdom to whom all honour appertains The time will come when the Kings of the Earth shall bring their honour and glory into it W. Husband the Kings of Isrel did things of this nature as Jehosaphat Josiah c. reformed many things in the Church in those dayes why may not Magistrates do the like now H. Wife The Kings of Israel were Types of Christ in their Government shadowing forth him who was to have the Government of his Israel his Church which is his Kingdom according to old Jacob's Prophesie The Scepter shall not depart from Judah nor a Law-giver from between his feet until Shilo come and now Shilo which is the King of Peece is come all other Regal power over the Church is ceased VV. But Husband there were no Christian Magistrates in Christ's time to commit the Government unto which may seem to altar the case and the Apostle biddeth us submit to every Ordinance of man for the Lord's sake H. VVife If Christ had seen Christian Magistrates necessary for the Government of his Kingdom he could as easily have turned the hearts of Kings and Emperors as he could the owner of the Ass to send her at his demand or brought the Fish to the Angle with money in his mouth to pay Tribute to Caesar And whereas the Apostle bids Submit c. he means only in Civil things otherwise if Augustus and other Heathen Emperours under whom they lived had commanded them to have worshipped their Heathen gods they must have committed Idolatry But Nebuchadnezzar's Act of uniformity and Daniels resisting to obey cleers up the case fully VV.
awakened parted with some money to be freed from that trouble I have one Wheel barrow full more but because it is so eminently known I 'le be silent Gulielmus Mons you do not know what that is in English a Hereford shire-man Trapanner-General he is a place of honour but hath been so transpand with the POX to him that his Neighbours excuse their refusing to hear him by saying that they are afraid of receiving Infection from him I know who had him in Cure but could not do the work neither could it be cured by the Bishops breath when he was ordained although it seems to have much vertue in it A sweet Member of the Mystical Body A Gentleman of very good Quality told a Knight and other Gentlemen at the Table in my hearing of a Devon shire Priest who had formerly been ejected for Scandal he was a Bachelor but restored to both his Livings to the value of 2. or 300 1. per annum but had parted with one to another man as good as himself They sate Drinking so long that one of them fell dead under the Table and never stirred more The other having been drinking in a Country Ale-house went homeward very late and was found dead in the morning upon a Green Talis vita finis ita lived drunk and dyed drunk But if this may add any Comfort to their Friends they lived and dyed Members of the Mystical Body Another Parson of whom it is publickly known in the place he lived in was so Drunk in the Pulpit that he began the Lord's Prayer three times before he could end it and at another time having a Paper put up to him wherein was exprest the desire of a Sick Man and Woman to have the prayers of the Congregation he was so Drunk that instead of praying he asked the Bands of Matrimony between them saying it was the first time of the publishing thereof Another being led through Moor-fields between two Porters an old woman followed him saying A Pillar of the Church a Pillar of the Church Three Priests of a company being all Drunk in London one of them stript himself unto his shirt tumbles in the dirt and cryed Murder H. Wife I should keep you waking too long if we should talk of all this Idle Drunken Tribe and it is believed that the Scavinger might fill his Cart once a week in London if he we were able to load them but having other things to talk of and the Cart prety well loaded by that time it hath a Pillar of the Church on it will make the Axle-tree crack The custome at Newgate is to carry but three in a Cart and we shall have six as honest men as they in ours But because we have ten times six which we may carry at leasure we will drive away and let the rest alone until another time On with the Pillar A Reverend Dean who in his Journey to or from London lay at Henly upon Thames where having good company he began to solace and recreate himself with the Creature and began to drink Healths and good Healths too to the King Queen and t' other Queen too to the Duke of York this Bishop and t' other Bishop too it was not in Puddle Ale 't was in Sack and good Sack too They drank so long till it came to a Reckoning and a good Reckoning too but not without respect to a Member in Office of the Mystical Body who was Reader Chantor and Sermon-sayer too they let him ply but a noble when it cost every man else ten shillings Alas what was ten shillings a man in Sack for six or seven men to pay In this they shewed their affection to the King not alone by drinking his Health but wisely considering that the more is spent in Sack the more profit comes to the King by Custom If the Dean had drank his seven Pulpits son he had been able to pay for it The Emperour of Russia hath all the profit of the houses where such liquor is sold and there they sit and drink until they spend all for the honour of their Heffidas as they call their Emperour nay until they sell their Wives and Children That 's Deboistness But these Pickadilly infirmities may be born withal in the Members of the Mystical Body so long as they conform to the Orders of the Church that makes amends for all Some of these that drank Healths joyned with L'Estrange to apprehend me lately who very uncharitably suspects me for a Witeh thinking that I can transform my self into several Shapes and therefore hunts me in the day with his Beagles for a Hero and himself at night for a Badger and instead of putting a Bag in the hole set a man with a lighted Porch in the mouth of the Berry And another thing Wife they can drink Healths wherein they not only offend God but transgress against the Kings Proclamation of the year 1660. and yet hunt and threaten to take away my life although in what they hunt me for I have broken neither Law of God nor known Law of the Land and the time may come I may tell them so W. Heuband I am weary of this distroiness talk of something else H. Wife we will talk a little of another sort of this Mystical Body who are like Asses which bear burdens beyond Imagination and they are the Pluralists who are of this Monstrous Mystical Body and indeed are Monster like men and carry Monstrous Burdens I have seen a Calf with several heads and yet but one body I can remember the people said it was a Monster So have these several heads and faces and yet of that one Monstrous Mystical Body and may fitly be compared to the Water bearess in London who when they have a Tankard of Water on their shoulders hasten to be delivered but put one of these fellows into the bottom of the Thames and when they have the whole weight of the River upon their shoulders they feel nothing So these when they have two or three hundred pounds by the year they do but carry the Water Tankard but put them under a Bishoptick of a thousand or two thousand pound by the year they are insensible feel nothing They are like Arched-Bridges the more weight you lay upon them the more able to bear Indeed great bodies cannot be supported with a little Des Churtes the Philosopher was of opinion that however the soul was in every joynt of the body yet the proper seat of it was in a kernal of flesh which was in the brain But these Learned-men are of another opinion that the proper seat of it is in the Belly that makes them provide so well for it H. Wife are not these pretty follows to preach Providence to such poor folks as we are and tell us what an excellent thing it is to live by Faith qui saour est pleno laudat jejnnia ventre as the Poet speaks commends tasting with a full belly Faith will bring