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A48453 As you were, or, The Lord General Cromwel and the grand officers of the armie their remembrancer wherein as in a glass they may see the faces of their soules spotted with apostacy, ambitious breach of promise, and hocus-pocus-juggleing with the honest soldiers and the rest of the free-people of England : to the end that haveing seene their deformed and fearfull visage, they may be returning to doe their first pretended workes, wipe of their spots, mend their deformities & regaine their lost credit : in a word, save themselves and the gaspeing libertyes of the surprized and enslaved English nation : least enlargement and deliverance arise to the English from another place, but they and their fathers house shall be destroyed : Ester 4. and 14. : all which is contained in a letter directed to the Lord Generall Cromwel, to be communicated to the grandees of his army / written by L. Colonel John Libvrne May 1652 ... Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657. 1652 (1652) Wing L2084; ESTC R1524 49,801 36

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other end but to be his foote-steps to climbe up to the top of absolute and arbitrary Power pretended Authority or unlimited unbounded Kingship And that you my Lord particularly are the man that is guiltie of all this in my judgement and apprehension your owne quondam darling „ and heart-indeared heart secret-knowing Freind the Major of your owne Regiment of Horse Robert Huntington „ in his printed impeachment of you delivered to both house of Parliament against you the 2 of August 1648 hath punctually declared it which impeachment is reprinted in the 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 pages of that Booke for makeing of which I was arraigned for a Traitor at Guildhall October 1649 being intituled An Impeachment of high-Treason against Oliver Cromwell c. and for which Impeachment of his I could never heare that you endeavoured so much as publicly to question him therfore or to put forth a vindication against it Which may well get beleife in un-biased men that you acknowledge all that he hath there said against you to be true And as much as I have said of him and his Impeachment may be said of the Authors of those thre notable bookes and of the bookes themselves called PUTNEY-PROIECTS The LEVELLERS vindicated being the stated case of the late TREACHEROUSLY defeated BVRFORD troopes and the HVE-AND-CRIE of the young men apprentises of London after the lost fundamentall laws liberties of England Vnto which three bookes a great many mens names are set as the avowers justifiers of them and to my knowledge the most of their names are true for I particularly know the most of the men my selfe yet I could never heare that any one of them was so much as questioned for decyfering you there as they have done Although to my knowledge you know some of the men as well as I doe and might severall times since those bookes were writ published as easily have laid your hands upon them to have called them to an account therefore as I can take up the pen inke that I write here with I say laying the forementioned Bookes or discourses together with what followes in this discourse page 13 14 15 to 24 compareing them with your practise I thinke they sufficiently prove you to be the man above mentioned that walks by the Principles of ATHEISME MACHIAVELLSME and holds it lawful to doe any thing in the world that comes in your way that will most serve your turne for the accomplishment of your owne ends be they never so bloodie wicked or tyrannicall But MY LORD you have forced me when I was quiet to come upon the stage againe much against my will and studious indeavours And yet when I did I fairely sought peace with you and sent you in writeing my propositions for peace grounded only upon your owne promises neglecting to insist upon any thing of concernement to my selfe and gave you or your true Freind Mr. William Kiffen to whom I sent it twentie one dayes to returne me an answer at least of his receit thereof all which appeares in the following discourse page 29 30 31. But heareing nothing at all from him and feareing that it is intecepted I am forced to print it The Copie whereof with some small additions thus followeth For my loveing Freind Mr. WILLIAM KIFFIN merchant at his House in Dukes-place London these with hast post hast to be communicated to his Excellency the Lord Generall Cromwell c. Mr. KIFFIN YOu and I have bin long acquainted ād have had much converse together although you were in my late troubles before my triall at GVILD-HALL my adversary in print yet not lookeing upon you by your opposition as a man that out of malice designedly laboured to take away my life but rather at a man surprised in your understanding and thereby induced to beleive the plausible arguments of my pretended Religious adversaries as though by my contest with them an undeniable gap was opened to let in them that are commonly called the public adversaries to devoure all and so were against the then season as unfit and dangerous in your apprehension but not against the things themselves held forth by me and my Camerades which you judged just and righteous and sit to be established in due time when that feare was over In which regard that opposition of yours to me I judged most fit to be buryed in the grave and not with any disgust of mind to be remembred And therfore it is that of late some part of that former familiarity that was betwixt us hath bin renewed and since my banishment I find by several Letters from my wife that you have bin very civil and respectfull to her for which I returne you many AND MY HE ARTIEST thankes ONE OF HER LETTERS dated the 2. of Feb last I have answered in print and caused that answer to be published here as well in DVTCH as ENGLISH which I hope before the date herof is reprinted at London againe since which I have received two Letters more from her the maine substance of both of which are to presume with all the mournfull arguments that possibly thee can use to be quiet and to abstaine from printing and Withall she tells me it is the advice of all my Freindes in generall who come continually to her to gather to write to me about it But haveing in my aforesaid printed Epistle given her undeniable reasons WHY I AM COMPELLED TO PRINT which I hope with my former Letters to her will so qualifie and season her Spirit that I may presume now that both my feares are over which were first that I was afraid through sorrow about me and her owne distressed condition as she calls it the should either miscarry of her childe or else secondly that she should be overwhelmed with greife and so her burthen should become too heavie for her to beare But hopeing that both of these dangers are over I must now confess unto you that that little trouble which used formerly to accompany me thorough the hopes hereof is as good as at an end And therfore to you shall I judge it convenient for me and 1 hope no way mischevous to your selfe to answer freindly and resolutely some other clauses in her latter Letters and some clauses in other Letters of some of my Freindes which I have lately received and then positively to tell you without deceit or flattery my future resolutions by the assistance of God on purpose because I know you are great with the GENERALL and I thinke with the NOW LORD-DEPVTY OF YRELAND LAMBERT but I am sure of it with LENTENANT-GENERALL FLEETWOOD and MAIOR-GENERALL HARRISON that you may shew this Letter unto them all being the great sword men of England that so they may lay their heads together obout it if they please and then let God worke his pleasure In a large Letter to my wise of the 13 of February last I told her and
now with comfort and rejoiceing tell you that I bless God that I have this testimony in mine owne Conscience that the Cause for mannageing of which I am bannished did at the first and all along to this very houre doth appeare to my understanding judgement upon the strictest scrutinie betwixt God and mine owne soule that I am able to make to be as righteous and as just a cause as ever was in the World and all so however Mr. HILL THE CHAIR-MAN reported it to the house yet Mr. PRIMATES PETITION was as fully proved before him and the Committee of Parliament in every circumstance of it so far as its capable of proofe saveing that single clause of SIR ARTHVR HASILRIGS holding private correspondence with some of the Commissioners as any puition in the world need to be proved but it was no wonder it went as it did when SIR ARTHVR HASILRIG WITH Mr. HIL THE CHAIRMAN WITHOVT A THIRD MAN DREW VP THE GREATEST PART OF THE REPORT IN THE SPEAKERS CHAMBER WHILE THE HOVSE WAS SITTING as one that tooke them at it told we with his owne tongue Which report we were never permitted to see nor none for us nor to heare red although we earnestly intreated for it and by importunity endeavoured it And besides I am confident of it there was not three men that judged the cause in the House that ever at the Committee were constant hearers of it from the beginning to the end And by what I have heard from Parliament men that were at the Committee severall daies Mr. HILL NEVER REPORTED TO THE HOVSE ONE TENTH PART OF OVR EVIDENCES AS WEE LAID THEM DOWNE BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND THE SAID Mr. HILL WAS OPENLY IN THE HOVSE TAXED WITH SEVERALL MATERIALL OMISSIONS BY A PERSON OR PERSONS THAT HEARD NOT ONE HALFE OF IT AT THE COMMITTEE And besides when the GENERALL HIMSELFE set his shoulders to the worke with all the might he had in the World to have the sentence so pass and goe on it is unimaginable it could goe otherwise then it did for one THAT IS FAMILIAR WITH HIM AND THAT WISHETH ME WELL TOLD ME IT WAS IN THE GENERALLS HOVSE BY HIM AND A CABAL OF PARLIAMENT MEN AGREED OF TWO OR THREE DAIES BEFORE IT WAS VOTED OR DECLARED IN THE PARLIAMENT And some dayes after it was passed the GENERALL HIMSELFE IN THE OPEN HOVSE as one that heard him told me IN ASPEECH OF HIS DID AVERR AND DECLARE VPON HIS CONSCIENCE THAT THE SENTENCE IT SELFE PASSED AGAINST ME WAS AS HONEST AND AS JVST A SENTENCE AS WAS EVER PASSED BY THAT HOVSE But I doubt not through the assistance of God in a short time to make it clearly and evidently to appeare in every circumstance that it is the MOST VNJVST ILLEGAL AND VNRIGHTEOVS SENTENCE THAT EVER WAS passed by any authority or power in the World that ever professed to governe by Lawe As in abundance of their declarations they have professed before God and the World they ought and would doe But at the present I shall only trouble you with one instance and that in a short Declaration of theirs intitled a Declaration of the Parliament of England for maintainning the fundamental Lawes of this Nation dated Feb. 9. 1648. made by them since they tooke of the Kings head declaredly for Tyrannie Oppression and and exerciseing an Arbitrary power in which they positively declare that they are fully resolved to maintaine shall will uphold preserve and keepe the fundamentale Lawes of this Nation for and concerning the preservation of the lives properties and Liberties of the people with all things incident thereunto with the alterations touching Kings and House of Lords allready resolved in this present Parliament for the good of the People Which short declaration of theirs is fully backed by them with a larger delaration made the 17 of March after And although there be an absolute necessity that lies upon me as speedily as I can to goe to the press with such a thing yet in what I write or print by the assistance of God all mighty I shall keepe within the bounds of a Christian THAT VALVES HIS PEACE WITH GOD ABOVE ALL EARTHLY TREASVRES IN THE WORLD and of a rationall man THAT HATH PRINCIPLES OF FREEDOME AND JVSTICE INGRAFTED IN HIM THAT HE WILL NOT BALKE OR CHANGE FOR ALL THE FEARES OF ALL THE DEATHS IN THE EARTH and of an English-man THAT LOVES HIS NATIVE COVNTRIE ABOVE ALL OTHER COVNTRIES IN THE WORLD and in a great measure hath the sense of his duty in acting towards its Freedome and wellfare INGRAVEN VPON HIS VERY HEART and as a discreet man THAT WILL NOT MEDDLE WITH THE NATIONS AFFAIRES OR GOVERNMENT WHERE HE SOIOURNES OR DOE ANY THING TO THE UTMOST OF HIS POWER THAT MAY GIVE THE LEAST DISCONTENT TO THOSE MAGISTRATES UNDER WHOSE PROTECTION IN HIS BANNISHMENT HE LIVES And besides I bless God I have both publicly and privately walked in all peace quietues and uprigtnes towards the General and Parliament since I owned their authority and neither directly nor indirestly medled with them to give them the least offence or to occasion in them the least cause of jealousy of me for undermineing or endeavouring to undermine their power and authority and therfore can I the more glorie and rejoyce under their harsh and cruell dealeing with me BUT THE LORD IS RIGHTOUS AND I AM CONFIDENT WILL SPEEDILY RETURNE IT SEVENFOLD INTO THE BOSOMES of those who were the principal causers of it Judges 1 6 7 and 2 Sam 21 1 2 5 6 14 and 2 Sam 12 31 compared with the 11 of Judges 17 18 19 20 23 27 Ester 7 9 10 and 8 11. and 9 2 3 4 5 15. Isaiah 10 12 13 18. Mat 7 2. Marke 4 24. Luke 6 37 38. Rom 2 3. James 2 12. Revelations 18 6 7 8. But to returne back by my wives Letters I perceive the LORD GENERALL gives a verie unworthy and strange kind of character of me which seemes to worke beleife upon the Spirits of some of my Freinds and further saith that I may thinke my sentence greater then my offence if they did not feare other things by me of which also it seemes some of my Freinds are satisfied In Answer to all which I say its true upon the 28 of March 1649 the present Lord Generall caused me to be fetched out of my bed by a multitude of armed horse and foote and got me sent to the tower for a traitor yet when I came to my triall for my life there was never any thing of that laid unto my charge for which at first I was imprisoned but only actions pretended to be done by me many moneths after my imprisonment when I lay under so many barbarous provocations put upon me by the Generall and his confederates AS HAD BIN SVFFICIENT according to Solomons saying TO MAKE A WISE MAN MAD. But how just it was to goe about to take away my life upon that score I leave you
would engage if SIR ARTHVR would doe the like THAT MY FREINDS SHOULD ENGAGE THEMSELVES IN A BOND OF 20 THOUSAND POUND FINALLY TO STAND TO HIS JUDGEMENT AND THEREIN TO ACQUIESCE WITHOUT FURTHER STRUGGLEING But he told me his occasions were great many and would not permit him time fully to heare so large a busynes as he was afraid it was Vnto which I replied My Lord Then in the 2d place if your Lordship please to propound this unto Sir Arthur that if he please to choose any two Officers in your Armie of those that hee leaves wee will choose two more Or 3dly if he like better to choose two Members of Parliament wee will choose two more and I will engage my Freinds shall bind themselves in the foresaid bonds to stand to their final judgement provided that wherein they cannot agree that so we may have an end your Lordship shall decide it Vnto which he replied it was so faire as fairer could not be offered by any man in the world and most solemnly engaged himselfe unto me to use his owne words to speake effectually to Arthur about it and at that time tooke of me my printed Booke against SIR ARTHVR and the „ fower unjust commissioners at Haberdashers Hall And promised me seriously to peruse it But although I was often in his way on purpose to waite upon him to receive his commands about it yet I never heard more of it from him although this discourse betwixt him and me was many weekes before Mr. Primates appeale to the Parliament Therfore I say considering all these things I must have a care how I trust a twice reconciled Enemy especially one that hath made so many and so glorious transcendent promises to the Nation of England and all sorts of honest Men contained in it as hee hath allready done severall times over as is before truly repeated AND MAKES NO CONSCIENCE AT ALL TO PERFORME ANY ONE OF THEM Yet for peace sake for affections sake to my endeared and poore wise I will the third time now goe as low in my propositions as possible with any safety or imaginable security I can upon the granting of which I will ingage to sit still and write no more against him unless he breake the engagement first And therfore in order to a third reconcilement I propose in the first place that seeing by Common right severall ancient and moderne statute Lawes yet in force the Parliaments and Armies fore-cited Declarations and the Vnanimous confession of all Interests and parties whatsoever a new and successive Parliament once a yeare is the undoubted birthright of the people of England seeing by the GENERALLS owne forementioned Declarations this Parliament THAT NOW IS IS NO PARLIAMENT AT ALL nor upon „ his owne principles never was since he declared and avowed they were traitors to their trust „ which in the yeare 1648 he did as has bin truly before recited and seeing by his and his Armies owne confession as is before truly mentioned there is no other Safe Secure Honest or Iust way to provide for the calling of future parliaments in England but by a „ Popular Agreement signed amongst and by the people that therfore he would immediately declare and give good Cautionary security that within three soure or 5 Moneths time the people of England shall choose and have sitting a new Parliament either upon the principles of our Agreement dated at the Tower of London May 1 1649 or upon the principles of their owne forementioned Agreement delivered by them to the House of Commons upon these conditions I will wave all things concerning my selfe or the Collierie of Harraton or my Freinds related therunto And further to manifest to all the world that my present necessitated and compelled struggleing is not to appropriate to my selfe either Government Rule Domination Riches or Greatnes I will be willing to give my full consent unto it under my hand and seale that an act shall be passed by this present Parliament to make me by name uncapable of being chosen of the next Parliament or bearing any Office in the Common-wealth of England dureing its sitting or comeing into England till it bee sate Now Sir it may be the Generall may be full of Indignation and scorne that such a nothing as my selfe should dare to make such a proposition to him of whom it may truly by reason of his greatnes be said as it is said in the 41 of Job of the LEVIATHAN that when he raiseth up himselfe the mighty are afraid the sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold the speare the dart nor the habergeon He esteemeth iron as straw brass as rotten wood the arrow cannot make him flee sling stones are turned with him into stubble darts are counted as stubble he laugheth at the shakeing of a speare upon earth there is not his like who is made without feare But if the Generall doe rage and scorne at what I say In calmnes I answer him In the first-place with the words of himselfe and his Armie as they are written in the 70 and last page of their grand Remonstrance from St. Albans 16 Novemb 1648 which thus sollowes Wee hope say they that in Age of so much light mere will or resolution will not be held forth or pursued against what has bin said But that what reason or righteousnes there is in the things which we have said will be considered folowed nor let it find prejudice with you meaneing the Parliament from any disdaigne towards those from whom it comes being in the condition of an Armie looked upon as servants under you since servants may speake to their Masters and ought to be heard regarded even when they speake for their owne right only rather when they speake for the good and safety of them they serve but much more when they speake of that wherein they have some joint Interest with them and yet more when those their immediate Masters being themselves also servants and trustees for the benefit of others they speake for the Interest of those for whom they are employed But if the Generall shall hold forth nothing but mere will and resolution against what I have heere said then in the Second place Let me tell both you him I am confident of it very speedily in one Kind or another he will meet with one way or another as bad a portion as hee or they did against whom that Remonstrance was made But thirdly I answeer him in the words of the Scripture Samuel 2. 22 26 27 28 and Chapter 23 2 3. where David speaking of God saith With the mercyfull thou wilt shew they selfe mercyfull with the upright man thou wilt shew thy selfe upright with the pure thou wilt shew thy selfe pure and „ with the froward thou wilt shew thy selfe unsavoury „ and the afflicted people thou wilt save „ but thine eyes are upon the haughtie „ that thou maiest bring them downe And David
acted upon but the meanest man in England my reputation is gone and then all my Interest in that nation is not worth a groat So that afterward the Generall need not in the least to be afraid of any thing that I can say or doe against him For then it would signifie no more then the wind that blowes Sir to draw towards a Conclusion As the Generall used to give his earthly Lords Masiers Creators the Parliament a few and set number of dayes viz 4 or 5 at most to answer his demands in so from the date hereof I give you three weekes or one and twenty daies exclusive to returne me what answer you please about this Letter promissing till they be past not to print and publish it provided by the very first post after this you write me word you have received it or else I shall judge Mr. Thomas Scot hath catcht it „ as I am informed from London he hath allready done some other of my Letters for which and for setting his spies upon me in these Countries which I have very visibly found out and for all his old roguery exercised towards me and plotted against me I must be forced when I am a little at leisure in print to pay him and particularly for all his notorious codpeice Simony that I know of in attempting to lie with two of my female Freinds at one time and in one bed in the same chamber at the sugar-loafe neare the Muse by Charing-cross being one of those many Lecherous houses he haunts and hath the command of Which COLONEL THOMAS PRIDE now a Member of the Armie many moneths agoe at the Parliament doore TOLD Mr. SCOT partly of to his face but he the said Scot durst never question him therfore nor the two woemen that as I remember the Story from Colonel Prides mouth were then mentioned to him to be the parties and for his strong attempting to hire one of my quondam Freinds with the guift of two hundred pound land a yeare firmely to be setled upon him and his heirs for ever to sweare against me at Guild-hall at my late tryall to take away my life I say if it come into his hands I beleive the Generall shall never see this Letter till he see it in print which I desire to avoid if it be possible It may be at the sight of this the Generall will be mad and revenge himselfe on my Estate and my Wife and poore Children But let him take heed what he doth for it is the Judgement of Christ that the same measure a man meats should be measured to him againe And the truth of it is if my sentence to morrow WERE TAKEN OF 1500 POVND would not all things considered in my worldly busynes set me in so good a condition as I was in the day before it passed against me For being in many intanglements in the world haveing scarce recovered to stand upright upon mine owne leggs it hath allready as good as broke my back with reference to the world And in my absence I heare every unworthy man that can but pretend any thing against me to reach me or my poore wife takes his advantage of my absence to abuse her and trample upon her And SIR ARTHUR HASILRIG I heare must be doeing againe with his gross Knave William Huntington of Billingham in the County of Durham against both of whose base and lying dealeings with me preferred to the Parliament in November last against me I made my particular and cleare defence to the then silenceing of them both in a sheet and an halfe of paper and presented it in print to the Parliament the 28 of November 1651 being incitled to every individuall Member of the supreme Authority the Parliament of the Common-wealth of England The humble Address of Lieutenant Colonel Iohn Lilburne by way of answer to a most false and scandalous printed Petition delivered at the House doore against him by one William Huntington upon Weddensday the 26 of November 1651. In which I am confident I have made as cleare rational and just a defence for my selfe as any man in the World can make to any accusation laid unto his charge unto which to this very day I never saw any thing by way of reply neither doe I beleive its possible rationally and justly to reply any thing yet unto it And I hereby bid defiance to him all my adversaryes I have in England to lay a farthing tokens-worth of basenes justly to my charge for 15 yeares together And I wish with all my soule you would seriously read my said defence my wife being able to furnish you therwith But further if I have wronged the man which I absolutely deny in the lea●● that I have done it to the value of a single pin I proffered him many times faire enough as in the said defence you may read but he would never accept thereof and besides the Law was open for him when I was in England and still is and is his inheritance as well as mine and though I be heere beyond the seas so that he cannot arrest me yet let him put in his Declaration in a legal Court in England as its commonly there reputed and send me a Copie thereof I will give Authority to a Freind to answer it legally for the Law is yet my inheritance and the heart of the greatest and stoutest man in England I will make to ake if possibly I can that shall endeavour to deprive me of the benefit thereof allthough I die at his feet therfore But let not Sr. ARTHUR HASILRIG take upon him arbitrarily to arbitrate my estate as I heare he is about to doe when I give him no power and authority so to doe If he persevere in it it will but ad unto that great guilt of his that I am perswaded in time will justly carry him to the Scaffold at Tower-hill or else where which I beleive I shall live to see with mine owne eyes Sir if towards peace I receive not a satisfactory answer to this Epistle I must deale truly with you my condition already is such that it will force me with all the Eloquence Rethoric that I have to cry out aloud as the Parliament in the day of their distrese did when they required and desired all those that had any sense of piety honour or compassion to come forth and helpe a distressed state part 1 of the Booke of their Declarations page 498. so must and shall I by Gods assistance with the mournfullest dittyes and bleeding teares of oppression cry out for helpe supply that my soule is able to powre out either to God to Men or Woemen of all Nations relations and conditions and publish it as farras English Dutch French or Latine wil carry them especially to all truehearted English-men that have fought for their Liberties and Freedomes or stood by the stuff whiles others did it who ought to have as good a share in the liberties