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A30520	A discovery of some part of the war between the kingdom of the Lamb and the kingdom of Anti-Christ held forth in this account of several disputes and queries between a Minister of Christ (really so) and one that hath the name of a Minister, but is proved to be a Minister and member of Anti-Christ by evident testimonies : and is a short account of the covetousnesse, ignorance, envy, and the fruits of darkness brought forth by C. Fowler ... / by Edw. Burrough.	Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662.	1659 (1659)	Wing B5999A; ESTC R27139	22,780	34

the place and nominated a certain day for the time and he had nigh a weeks notice from me and the time appointed I went to Reading to attend the Service but when I came there I understood that he would not meet me according to his own proposals and agreement but nominated another place and another time which was supposed by me and others to be but a present evading of the matter whereupon his denial to meet me at the time and place appointed by me this following Letter I sent unto him C. Fowler WHereas a Challenge of thine to us called Quakers for a Dispute upon ten Particulars was set up on the Steeple-house-door at Easthamstead and leaving it to us to appoint time and place I did appoint Reading for the place and the fourth day this week called Wednesday the 21. of this moneth for the time and in order to proceed upon the particulars in dispute with thee the place and time abovesaid I ordered my occasions so as to attend upon the Service the said time but I being come into the Town this night do perceive that thou art not content with the place and time though they were left to our appointing in thy Challenge but hast appointed another place and time upon some feeble Reasons which thou gives which I might shew the weakness of and might upon many better reasons say that Reading is the only place seasonable to dispute at for if thou be indeed a true Minister of Christ the people of this Town best deserves to know it by hearing it to be so and if thou art a Deceiver the people of this Town had the most need of any others to know it by hearing thee disproved So upon this place I have pitched and cannot now change my resolution nor alter neither time nor place by me before-mentioned my occasion will not admit me to it Therefore I thought good to write to thee to know for certain under thy hand whether you will give a meeting or not in this Town the fourth day next as aforesaid if not this matter must yet remain as it stands between us till a more clear opportunity for I cannot be at Okingham the day mentioned by thee because my service is already determined for that day and for some other reasons also in my own brest Let me have a plain answer from thee that I may dispose of my self as the Lord guides me for his service This is all for present I do desire who am a friend to all that love the Lord Reading the 19th of the 10th Moneth 1659. E. Burrough But to this Letter his Answer was he would not meet me at Reading for there was no need of Dispute there and therefore it is my present work at this time for to answer his ten Particulars in writing and to make them publike to all that all may judge of this matter And indeed but that for these ten particular Charges and that truth may be clear from those Charges in his ten Particulars I believe I had not thus proceeded in this publike manner but because he ceaseth not to speak evil of the Truth and yet will not come forth fairly to Tryal neither will answer me any Queries in publike but keeps a secret reviling and reproaching therefore do I thus proceed Answer to the first Position Thy Major and thy Minor are both lame and both false and thy so conclusion falls to the ground for the Quakers do not perniciously deny the Scriptures to be the Word of God but they in sincerity say that Christ is the Word of God Io. 1.1 Rev. 19.13 and the Scriptures are the Words of God and a Declaration and a Treatise and this testimony is according to the Scriptures Luke 1.1 Acts 1. And it is not Heresie nor Blasphemy to deny the Scriptures to wit the writings to be the Word of God but the truth written of and those things declared of in the Scriptures are the Word of God and not the writings which are Scriptures But this is further spoken to before and so I pass it Answer to the second Position Thy Major Position is utterly false and not grounded upon any part of the Scriptures so that the Minor and the Conclusion are both denied and cast out For a man may say that Christ is the Foundation of Faith and the Spirit of God is the Rule of Life for thus the Scriptures say And a man may lawfully deny the Scriptures to be the Foundation of Faith and Rule of Life and neither be Heretick nor Blasphemer Was the Apostle a Blasphemer and a Heretick who said No other Foundation could be laid but that which was laid already which was Christ And was he a Heretick and a Blasphemer that said the Sons of God were led by the Spirit of God and exhorted to walk by the Rule of the Spirit And are the Quakers Blasphemers and Hereticks who holds forth that truth the Apostles hold forth and who walks by the Spirit walks according and not contrary to the Scriptures O thou Perverter of the right way of God who hast falsly accused the Innocent in thy illiterate Logick Answer to the third Position In this thou hast falsly accused but yet let us consider thy words There was a Nature in that Man Jesus Christ that was born of the Virgin that was subject to cold heat thirst and hunger and subject to be tempted of the Devil and this Nature was not God whose Nature is Infinite Eternal Unmeasurable not subject to hunger nor thirst nor to heat and cold nor subject to temptations so that a man may say lawfully and be no Blasphemer That there was a Nature in him which was not God and yet the fulness of the Godhead dwelt in him to and he is the Everlasting Father and the Father is in him and he in the Father And thus by a sound interpretation of the Word God by Nature thy Major and Minor and Conclusion are all made void Answer to the fourth The good works of the Saints are wrought in God and by his Spirit and its God that works in them to will and to do and all such works are worthy works glorious works and blessed works even unto eternal life as the Scripture saith Glory Honor and Peace be to every man that worketh good Rom 2.7.10 And no man by Faith without works is justified for Faith without works is dead and a dead Faith doeth not justifie This is our Faith and the Faith which the Apostles were of and we are neither Hereticks nor Papists no more than were the Apostles and thus thy argument is vain and falls to the ground and hath no weight in it unto sober minds though self-righteousness is altogether abomination to the Lord and justifies not any man Answer to the fift A man may deny the sprinkling of Infants and the Administration of Bread and Wine as is held forth in your Assemblies and be neither Antichristian nor a Heretick for the Institution

me a dogg diverse times and did use very ridiculous jestures and words towards me even to his own shame in the sight of many people and the people of that Country doe it well remember his unchristian like proceedings and were ashamed of him but at last went his way and all his brethren and I was left among the people and I need not now mention for many even themselves know it what losse and disadvantage they sustained that day and Gods loving truth was advanced and the advantage of it that was obtained on the Lords behalf but I being not yet as it were wholly satisfied but would endeavour further to the laying open deceit and to invade Antichrists kingdome the next morning after the dispute it was upon me to write forth and to send him this paper of propositions following whereunto is annexed his Answer C. Fowler FRiend seeing thou art so high in thy spirit against us and against the truth which we professe and from time to time dost open thy mouth so wide in Justification of thy self and thy practices and in false charges against us and though we have had divers meetings and and the differences between us allwayes appeared greater and greater therefore this I propound unto thee Whether thou wilt give another meeting of open dispute for the tryal of thee and thy wayes and of us and the truths which we hold forth for the satisfaction of the people and these things following I propound as the subject matter worthy to be handled which may discover thee and us to the satisfaction of all that desires in that case First What be the evident signes and tokens of a wolf in sheeps clothing and whether thou or wee in the sight of the people and of the Lord God can clear our selves to be clear and free from the marks and signes of such aforesaid Secondly whether wilt thou stand to be tried in thy Ministry in thy Call to it practice in it and maintenance of it by and according to the Scriptures of the old and new tement wilt thou admit of tryal of thy Church and worship and Ministry thereby and this being done we do engage to suffer the like tryal in any part and every part of our Religion Thirdly whether there be any other Foundation of Faith c. for the people of God at this day then Jesus Christ onely and alone and whether he was not the foundation to the Fathers before the Scriptures were written and whether he that layes or preaches any other foundation doth not dishonor Christ and spoke contrary to the Scriptures These things with some others which we may have occasion to spake of are we willing to discourse with thee for the further clearing of the truth and laying open deceit for yesterday I had much more to have spoken to thee hadst thou not gone so hastily away so if thou art willing to joyne in discourse with me again appoynt place and howre either this day or to morrow for my occasions will admitt of either of these two dayes allwayes provided that we may have all moderation and may proceed in meeknesse like men and not like raylers as thou appeared yesterday to thy own shame An answer hereof we do expect with speed and we are Friends to all that love righteousnesse E. B. Thomas Curtis THe original of this was delivered to the hands of C Fowler in Reading the next morning after the dispute at east Hamsteed and being given to him at his Steeple-house-doo● when he was comming out from his worship he would have given them again to the messenger after he had it in his hand and opened it but not being taken he said he would burn it and thus people may see that though he cryed against us as deceivers behind our backs yet he is one of them dumb doggs that cannot barke nor fright us away if we were such as he saith of us And here all sober people may understand the temper of this my adversary and I shall leave them to judge of the proceedings between him and me but yet though he denyes to meet me yet when I was passed out of the country he caused the following paper to be fixed upon the steeple-house-door at East Hamsteed where the dispute was drawn up by him and set their as a hidious vapour to enchant the minds of People it may be not supposing that ever it should have come to publique view as now it is like to do to his shame A true Charge in ten particulars against the people called QUAKERS 1 THey that pernitiously deny the Scriptures to be the Word of God and Hereticks and Blasphemers But ●●ose called Quakers do thus deny the Scriptures to be the Word of God therefore they are Hereticks and Blasphemers 2 They that deny the Scriptures to be the Foundation of Faith and Rule of Life they are Hereticks and Blasphemers But the Quakers do this therefore they are Hereticks and Blasphemers 3 They that do not own the Lord Iesus Christ to be God by Nature are horrible Blasphemers But those called Quakers do not own the Lord Iesus Christ to be God by Nature therefore they are Blasphemers 4 They that say the good works of the Saints are meritorious of Eternal Life are Hereticks and Papists of the worst sort But the Quakers say so therefore they are Hereticks and Papists 5 They deny the Ordinance of Water Baptisme and the Administration of the Lords Supper they are Antichristian Hereticks But the Quakers do this therefore the Quakers are Antichristian Hereticks 6 They that deny the sin of Infants are Pelagian Hereticks But the Quakers deny the sin of Infants therefore they are Pelagian Hereticks 7 They that deny the Resurrection of this Body are Hereticks But the Quakers deny this therefore they are Hereticks 8 They that deny the Christian Sabbath are very erronious But the Quakers do this therefore they are very erronious 9 They that quarrel at and deride the singing of Davids Psalms calling them the Ballads of Hopkins and Sternhold the Kings Fidlers they are foolish ignorant and prophane in that But the Quakers do this therefore they are foolish ignorant and prophane in this 10 They that publikely charge the Office and Call of Ministers with lyes and calumnies they are railers and slanderers But the people called Quakers do this therefore the people called Quakers are railers and slanderers These things through the Lord I am able to justifie and if I do not I shall be contented to be called a Deceiver Let them chuse their own time as soon as they please in witness whereof I have set to my hand this twenty sixth of November 1659. Christopher Fowler And according to providence this paper coming to my hands though it s believed without any purpose in him to which I did return my Answer as to answer his Challenge and neither time nor place being mentioned by him but both left to us to appoint I did appoint Reading for

Scorning Lying Slandering Envy Hatred Lightnesse c. with much more of which thou art guilty are the fruits of the flesh and of the Divel hence I querie of thee VIII Whether by this rule art thou not proved to be no Ministers of Christ but of the Devil and a servant to him and a liver to the flesh and not in the spirit in whom these fruits of darknesse and of the flesh are abounding Seeing the Scripture saith the Word of God was in the begining and Christ Jesus is the foundation and no other can be laid hence I querie of thee IX Whether by this rule thou art not proved a deceiver and thy doctrine false and error and contrary to Scripture who said the Scriptures are the Word of God which were not in the begining and said that the Scriptures which are not Christ are the foundation of foundations and whether this doctrine of thine doth not deny Christ and so art proved to be Antichrist answer according to truth Seeing thou confesses thou hast hire for preaching yet saist thou preaches not for hire hence I querie of thee X. Whether any of the People of Reading would give thee so much a year if thou didst not preach to them and if no then whether they do not give thee so much and thou receive it because thou preaches unto them or did they give thee so much before thou preachedst or will they give thee any when thou doth cease to preach to them try them when thou wilt and prove thy self a true Prophet by preaching some years and receiving nothing and till then I charge thee to be a false prophet Seeing the Ministry which Christ Jesus sent by the the Apostles did bring people that they needed no man to teach them but as the anoynting within them hence I querie of thee XI Whether by this rule thy Ministry is proved not to be of Christ Iesus nor thou sent of him by which none can come to this condition that they need no man to teach them produce any one if thou canst and so a Ministry of Anti-christ and thou of the Divel Seeing they that abide not in the Doctrine of Christ have not God hence I querie of thee XII Whether by this rule thou art not proved to be without Christ and without God who abides not in Christs doctrine but are called of men master and stand Praying in the Synagogue and hast the chief seat in the Assembly and contrary to Christs Command Answer these Queries with the Spirit of Sobernesse if thou hast it and shew thy self a man if thou hast the heart of a man and repent of thy wickednesse and own thy condemnation upon thy former words and works I am a Friend unto thy Soul but a witnesse against thy deceits E. B And after which time for the space of two years I had no Communication with Christopher Fowler till this last nineth month at a place called East-Hamsted where a meeting of dispute was appointed and challenged by some of his Brethren at which place again I mett with this my adversary where we had some houres discourse and many particulars of False Doctrine fell from Christopher Fowlers mouth some few of which hereafter followeth First one of his brethren in his prayer before the dispute prayed to God to forgive them the Athesm that were in their hearts of him and his Brethren Answer now an Athest is one that denies God and Athesm is denying of God according to common reputation Athesm is so taken so that how shall such a generation of men bring people to the knowledg of God by your Ministry or how should they ever convert people or profit them who yet in their owne hearts denyed God as the man acknowledged in his prayer before the Lord and many witnesses the poor people of England had thought that the spirit of God had been in your hearts but now we know that you deny God in your hearts and you have confessed it to you ownr shame are you Ministers of Christ and yet denyes God in your hearts and in whose hearts lodges Athesm Oh! let not people be deceived by you but repent yee that know not God but with your mouths confesse him and with your hearts do deny him Christopher Fowler also affirmed that day That the Scriptures are the Glorious everlasting Foundation of Foundations Answ. And hereby it is made manifest that he hath totolly denyed Christ and so proved with his brother confest in his prayer that indeed Athesm is in their hearts and so he hath denyed Christ whom the Scriptures say is the foundation and no other foundation can any man lay and upon him were the Saints builded in their faith and all their practices of Religion for he is the corner stone as it is written and thus he hath dishonoured Christ in setting the Scriptures above him and taking the Honnor from him and giving it to the Scriptures and I shall leave this his doctrine to be considered with a querie to these people of his Church in Reading whether he is worth hearing or giving money to for preaching that holds forth such doctrine and whether it is possible he should bring them to Christ who hath in effect denyed him to be the foundation and held forth that the Scriptures are the Glorious everlasting Foundation of Foundations much I need not say to uncover the error of such a doctrine Again he affirmed That a man at one and the self same time might be a Minister of Christ and a deceiver Answ. And here all may see the weaknesse and Ignorance of this strange paradox and indeed which is contrary to the Scriptures which saith No man can serve two maststers it s very certaine that he that serves the Divel doth not serve Christ at the same time and he that serves Christ doth not serve the Devil and so his doctrine is Anti-christan which would make people believe that though they serve the Devil yet they are the servants of God and this is as much as he hath said that one may be a Minister of Christ and yet a deceiver now a deceiver is one that followes the spirit of the Devil and a Minister of Christ is one that followes the Spirit of Christ and these two spirits are contrary and not both ruling in one man at one time but then to helpe the matter he said a man might serve Christ in office but not in love to which my answer was let him say whether he and the Priests of England did serve Christ by way of office or love both or either and I should prove the contrary but that wee prosecuted no further some other things were affirmed by him that day not now remembred He said That Christ was a sinner from this argument laid down by him all that dies are sinners Christ died therefore c. These and such things he held forth all that day besides the unsobernesse of his words and carriages towards me who called