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A88214 A letter of Lieutenant Colonel John Lilburns, written to Mr. John Price of Colemanstreet London, (and a member of Mr. John Goodwins congregation) the 31. of March 1651. about the harsh and unequal dealing that his unckle Mr. George Lilburn, and several others of his family findes from the hands of Sir Arthur Haslerig. Unto which is annexed Mr. John Price his answer thereunto. Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657.; Price, John, Citizen of London. 1651 (1651) Wing L2133; Thomason E626_19; ESTC R206552 8,487 12

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upon which he took the Order and turned him to the window and of his own accord blotted out all those lines and words that ordered the transmission and in their steads with his own hand interlined so many lines and words as made the Order to amount to thus much in effect That if George Lilburn would forgive Thomas Shadford Tho Shadford should forgive George Lilburn and prosecute him no further of which I cryed shame and thereupon Sir Arthur was over-ruled by the Committee and the case transmitted to the House of Commons where by reason of Mr. Blaxstones greatness my Unckles Petition could not procure a hearing till he was fain to print a Remonstrance against Mr. Blaxstone and Shadford c. and delivered it at the House door upon which it was eferred to the Northern Committee where Sir Arthur got the Chair in the Speakers Chamber where were present sometimes 12. 16. and more Members of the then House of Commons and Major John Wildman and my self being my Unckles Councel to mannage his business for him in the opening of my Unckles cause I paid Sir Arthur and his unwarrantable dealing in his carriage a Durham to the full to his face before the whole Committee and Mr. Blaxstone had so much of it there that I have heard it credibly said with very grief he went home discontented that he could not have his will of my Unckle and after that never stirred out of his Chamber till he was carried to his grave and my Unckle in the conclusion by that very Committee was honourably acquitted and commanded to go home some of them promising him to take care of his report to the House which being not yet made Sir Arthur and his Agents the last year pending the said report to the high dishonour of the Parliament sequestred him for those very things then charged upon him out of malice that his Son Thomas Lilburn had so much honesty as to be the Countries Agent to complain above a year agoe to General Fairfax c. at White-Hall of either Sir Arthur or some of his Officers detaining from the Souldiers great store of their billet money for want of which they were connived at to take free billet of the Countrey contrary to an Act of Parliament And now Sir upon the forementioned Ingagement to my Unckle I have lately and seriously and deliberately digged into the bottom of my Unckles business that now he is by Sir Arthur troubled and indeavoured to be destroyed for and upon my Conscience and life as in the sight of God I speak it I judge them al so just and honest as that I judge my self bound in duty before God and man to discharge my foresaid Engagement to him and to venture my life and estate for his just preservation and if I perish I perish but if God please to in●ble him to follow my advise I doub● not but Sir Arthur shall purchase all the ground he gets of him by Inches and sweat for it two so as a friend in a friendly way I expect your speedy answer and rest Yours more then ever you were mine JOHN LILBURN From my House without Ludgate at the end of the Old Baily this 31. of March 1651. For Mr. John Price in Colemanstreete a Member of Mr. John Goodwins Congregation in London Mr. Price I Must confess I am now as hardly induced to appear again in Print as ever I was to do any thing in my life and if any other way in my judgement besides printing might have preserved my Family from that fatal and causeless ruine Sir Arthur Haslerig intends and hath visibly acted towards them I should rather now have lost a peece of one of my fingers then thus publickly to have spoken but when I seriously consider that story that I have often heard That the laying of the knite to the Fathers throat caused the dumb Child in a miraculous way to strain it self and to cry out for help to save its likely to be destroyed Father I am provoked and compelled to say to my self and shall I though lately resolved in my self by never so much printing silence hold my peace when as I visibly and apparently see at least to my understanding not only the knife as it were laid to the throat of my Father but even to the very essence and being of his Family and that for no other crime appearing to me but only because they dare be English-men to stand to maintain their own rights and will not be Sir Arthur Haslerig 's Vassals and slaves to do what ever he pleaseth O God forbid that I should live to that day to be guilty of that grosse baseness and therefore have I throne fear aside once again to appear to the world yet with this resolution to spread before my eyes in my writing both those Acts of Parliament about treason of the 14. of May and the 17. of July 1649. upon which at my late Tryal at Guild-hall I was arraigned and which is printed in the 86. 87. 88. 89. 90. pages of that Book called Lieut. Col. John Lilburns Trial with the constant looking upon which I hope my pen will be kept from any pretended slip failings or distaste towards the State or the supreme Authority the Parliament of the Common-wealth of England and therefore this being premised I must acquaint you with an intent that the world may know it that after I had sent you the Copy of the foregoing letter by a friend on purpose to deliver it to your own hands but you being gone out he left it as he told me with your wife And hearing nothing from you till the time prefixed in my letter was expired I repaired to your house and had a pretty large discourse with you but could not in the least find by you that you were willing to imbrace or forward any of those just things I had proposed to you in my foregoing letter but for answer to it referred me to yours you had lately sent to my house which at my coming home I found the Copy of which thus followeth To Mr. John Lilburn at his house without Lud-gate these present SIR I Have lately received a letter from you importing something concerning Sir Arthur Haslerig and my self As for Sir Arthur I presume him a Gentleman of that honour and Conscience as that he is able to give a rational account touching whatsoever he is chargeable withall either by your self or any others As for my self and the Authour of the book you speak of though I presume my self capable to give satisfaction in a direct answer yet I have learned so much from your self and others as never to respond unto questions of that kind and therefore shall leave you to your liberty how you please to deal with Your better friend then you presume JOHN PRICE April 3. 1651. Mr. Price I Hope you and Sir Arthur judge your cause so honest that you will abhorre and detest to suppress either this or an
after answer to your fore-named Book for yours by your letter I judge it is or to endeavour to punish the dispersers thereof especially considering you are like to meet with fairer adversaries then your self that dare set their names to what they do which it seems you nor Sir Arthurs former Champions durst not and I promise you for my part I shall own and avow before the Parliament it self what I about this busines shall do but if you do punish the publishers and suppress the things themselves let me tell you it will to the eyes of all rational men argue your guilt therefore in hopes you will be somewhat like men till the answer to your Book come take this in good part with the abstract of the depositions taken in my Unckles case before the said Committee of Parliament where Sir Arthur was Chair-man as is before declared the Copy of which as they come to me taken from the hands of Mr. Nicholas Mould Clarke to the foresaid Committee of Parliament for the Norther Association thus followeth The Abstract of the cause between Mr. Tho. Shadforth and Mr. George Lilburn referred to the Honourable Committee for the Northern Association to be examined by Order of the House the 5. of March 1648. IMprimis two Warrants were produced directed to the chief Constables of the County of Durham and dated at Newcastle Septemb. 12. 1642. Commanding them to furnish the Earl of Newcastle with Horses to carry Ammunition for the Kings service and unto these was subscribed George Lilburn and a seal was set to them by the name as the Seal of George Lilburn George Lilburn being examined and asked whether the name of George Lilburn subscribed to those warrants produced and the Seal set to them as his were his Hand and Seal he answered that he knew not that it was his Hand and Seal saying his Hand and Seal had been divers times counterfeited as he could prove For proof that the Warrants were signed and sealed by George Lilburn Mr. Martin Foster was examined as a witness who saith That he was a Captain in the Kings service under the Earl of Newcastle and that he saw as he thinketh about six years since about the latter end of November a Warrant for promoting the Kings service signed George Lilburn but whether it were his hand or his Seal he knoweth not Mr. Foster further saith That he knew one Chilton was in Col. Hiltons Regiment under the E. of Newcastle that he came into the Regiment before they marched out of the Bishopr of Durham which was after the Battel at Yareham against Sir Hugh Cholmley as he takes it about Febr. 1642. And that he believes that the said Chilton served for Mr. George Lilburn because Chilton made an answer for George Lilburn when the list of the names of those which were charged with Arms in that County was called over but he further saith that he heard that George Lilburn was in prison by the Earl of Newcastles forces at the time of the raising Col. Hiltons Regiment Mr. Shadforth being the prosecutor examined for information but not as a witness saith that he saw not George Lilburn sign or seal the Warrants produced dated the 12. of Septemb. 1642. but saith that George Lilburn did acknowledge voluntarily in the presence of Francis Wren and others of the Committee of sequestrations at Durham who were then sitting as a Committee that he did sign and seal the aforesaid Warrants saying that when he signed them he would have signed 20. more of the like nature if they had been then offered unto him for that he was then under a kind of restraint In the defence of George Lilburn Esq against the charge exhibited against him by Mr. Thomas Shadforth CAptain Robert Sharp examined saith That about the 12. of Septemb. 1642. he was at the Town-house in Newcastle where he saw sitting Sir Wil. Carnaby Sir Tho. Liddle junior and Mr. Liddle Justices of the Peace who sent twice for M. George Lilburn who came not and thereupon a motion was made that the said George Lilburn should be sent for by Command and at the third time the said George Lilburn came to the said Town-house whether by Command or not he knoweth not but being come he was thrust back by the shoulders disrespectively and the Kings Souldiers being at that time within 20. yards of the place where Mr. Lilburn was thus used the said Rob. Sharp was afraid that they would keep Mr. Lilburn prisoner and also apprehend him and so he fled out of Town for that he knew Mr. Lilburn was well affected to the Parliament and that the Kings forces had a List of all that were well-affected in that County Mr. Robert Carr examined saith That he met George Lilburn at Newcastle in 1642. when the E. of Newcastle was raising forces for the King the particular time he remembers not And the said George Lilburn did at Sir Thomas Riddles dore in the Close at New●castle complain to him the said Carr that he was in a sad condition because Bishoprick Gentlemen would force him against his Conscience to sign a Warrant and saying further that he thought he should be sent to prison and all that he had should be lost and the said Carre heard at that time Sir Tho. Riddles man told the said George Lilburn that his Master required him to come to him Mr. Henry Lever examined saith That George Lilburn in August 1642. met him at Newcastle when the E of Newcastle was raising forces against the Parliament and that the said George Lilburn was then very solicitous to oppose those forces saying he would rather die in a halter then joyn with those forces against the Parliament And the said Lever saith that they then resolved that George Lilburn should go to Scotland for help for the well-affected Mr. Robert Carr Mr. George Gray and Mr. Hen. Lever say That in Octob. 1642. the said George Lilburn went to Edenburgh to Mr. Pickering Agent in Scotland for the Parliament of England to implore him to acquaint the Parliament with the sad condition of the North and to desire help for the well-affected from the South which Mr. Pickering promised to do for them Mr John Smart and Mr. Gilbert Marshall examined severally say That Mr. George Lilburn in Octob. 1642. at the meeting of the Countrey to put the Commission of Array in execution did oppose it saying the Parliament did declare it to be illegal and they further say That Mr. George Lilburn had been then imprisoned for his affections to the Parliament if he had not fled out of Durham privately Mr. Robert Sharp Mr. Rob. Carr Mr. Henry Lever Mr. Gilbert Marshall and Thomas Chilton say That George Lilburn was about the 11. of November 1642. for his affection to the Parliament taken prisoner by one of the Earl of Newcastles Colonels and was barbarously used forced to go on foot pinioned with ropes arm to arm with some other well-affected men through the dirt after the Carriages from Durham to York Gate-house having neither fire nor bed meat nor drink for 3. dayes and 3. nights and that the said George Lilburn was afterwards removed and imprisoned for above 6 moneths in York-Castle where he was sometimes in the Dungeon sometimes in the common Goale And Martin Foster saith he saw the said George Lilburn Prisoner in York in the Kings forces in August 1643. Mr. John Smart and Mr. Robert Sharp examined say That in their hearing the said George Lilburn during his imprisonment was very often above ten times solicited by Mr. Raphe Hambleton to give any small matter to the assistance of the E. of Newcastle either a Horse or the like and his inlargement should be procured but the said George Lilburn refused alwayes saying he had rather rot in prison then give any thing to that service Thomas Chilton examined being the party mentioned in the Charge to serve for George Lilburn in Col. Hiltons Regiment against the Parliamen saith That he never did bear Arms for George Lilburn against the Parliament neither did the said George Lilburn ever desire him so to do And Mr. George Gray Mr. John Smart and the said Thomas Chilton said that Col. Hiltons Regiment begun to be raised about the beginning of Decemb. 1642. And Mr. George Gray relates from the said Col. Hiltons mouth that the Commission of the said Col. Hilton to raise his Regiment bore date the 24. of Decemb. And they all say that the said George Lilburn was a prisoner before that time Mr. Gilbert Marshall Mr. Henry Lever Mr. George Gray Mr. Robert Sharp examined say That they having lived in the same Countrey with the said George Lilburn have alwayes observed that the said George Lilburn hath been from the first to the last faithful and active for the Parliaments service and one of the chiefest incouragers of the well-affected in that Countrey Mr. Price PEradventure you may wonder why in these lines to you I say nothing of Mr. Musgrave so much reported and calumniated in your Book truly it is because he is of parts resolution and ability sufficient to answer for himself and by what I have heard from him will rationally and fully do it in his own time only as it may be you may wonder at me for that so give me leave to wonder at Sir Arthur Haslerig that he hath lien still all this while and never indeavoured to take his remedy at Law against Mr. Musgrave for writing his Book against him seeing Sir Arthur hath an express Order from the Honourable the Councel of State to inable him so to do for truly I and many others can render no reason for Sir Arthurs silence in that particular unless it be the guilt of Sir Arthurs own Conscience which tell him Musgrave will if questioned justifie and fully prove all or the chiefest part of that which he hath said which I do verily believe in my very heart he will very fully be able to do for as much as I have often heard him say he can and desires nothing in the World more then to come to a legal tryal or teste So bidding you adieu at the present I rest A faithful English-man JOHN LILBURN From my House this 7. of April 1651. FINIS