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A95901 To his reverend and much respected good friend, Mr. John Goodwin: be these I pray presented. Vicars, John, 1579 or 80-1652.; Taylor, Daniel, ca. 1614-1655. 1645 (1645) Wing V331; Thomason E259_3; ESTC R212477 7,509 9

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tongues and pens that yet I say certainly Mr. Iohn Goodwin was the most unfit man of all I know in London to lay those undeserved criminations to Mr. Prynns charge For you know good Sir that Qui in alterum paratus est dicere ipsum vitio carere opertet For you therefore Reverend Sir to take upon you to tax Mr. Pryn of errours untruths and such like as you have done how deeply you your self before ever this most unhappy and unhol● difference of Independency with Presbitery was dreamed of have been ceusured both of Socinianisme and how justly too others have most learnedly in publike declared and more lately also how you have been discovered to hold a most Dangerous yea a most Damnable opinion as a learned Independent Brother of yours termed it in my hearing and who then said he would justifie it against you touching justifying Faith by Christ And now also how fiercely you are faln on this unhappily disturbant new way of Independencie I beseech you therefore Reverend Sir seriously to consider these things to muster up your saddest thoughts and to see into what a Labyrinth you are strangely and strongly intricated Sir I do not I cannot denie but ingenuously confesse that God hath given you much learning and eminent parts but truly Sir if I be not mistaken I greatly fear your Independent Proselites do too much magnifie if not almost deifie you for them and as it was with Pythagoras his Shollars an Ipse dixit is enough I feare for many if not most of your disciples jurare in verba Magistri Whereby I pray God your great parts and gifts bee not thus a great Snare to your soul which I much feare if not timely and truely seen into and prevented by Cordiall Self-deniall and Holy Humilitie in your selfe being more kindely affectioned with brotherly love and in honour preferring others before your self Rom. 12. 10. And thus Reverend Sir I have made humbly bold by your own occasion lovingly and I hope fairly and friendly as a true Christian Brother ought Levit. 19. 17 Liberare animam meam and thus to manifest my reciprocall love and gratitude unto you praying our good God it may be accepted with the like right handed Christian Candor and Simplicitie of Heart with which it is sent and intended I humbly take my leave and rest SIR Yours in our great Lord and Master Christ Jesus to be commanded IOHN VICARS Jan. this 18. 1644. Imprimatur Ja. Cranford Jan. 24. 1644. An Answer thereunto To his much respected Friend Mr. IOHN VICARS These be delivered The Author of this following Letter did not intend it for the Presse but sent it to Mr. Vicars in a private way But Mr. Vicars his Letter comming forth in Print and divers Copies thereof being disperst into severall hands by himself it was thought fit that this Letter should be published also SIR WHether it was my good or hard happe to meet with your Letter directed and sent to Mr. Iohn Goodwin I cannot easily determine for though all manner of knowledge either of persons or things be in some kinde or other beneficiall it being an undoubted Maxime that Verum Bonum convertuntur yet some knowledge may be so circumstantiated that it may prove more burdensome and offensive to the party knowing then commodious I confesse from the reading of your Lines I have gained thus much to say I know you but this gain hath occasioned such a considerable losse in the things of my joy that I doe even wish for my former ignorance and could be well contented to have met with no other description of your frame and temper then what the promise of your countenance and the report of your friends have made of you Indeed it cannot but deduct somewhat from the comfort of a reasonable man to see one whom one would thinke gray haires should have taught the language of sobernesse shooting with his tongue at rovers and speaking sharpe and devouring words against persons and things which hee knowes not Sorry I am that Mr. Vicars should break the fair face of his reputation upon this stone against which this besotted world is dashing it selfe in peeces from day to day I have some hope that though your zeale to Mr. Prinns glory did cast you into such an extasie of passion that you scarce knew what you writ yet by this time you have pretty well recovered your selfe again and lest the sense of your miscarriage should too much oppresse you I give you to know that you are falne into soft and tender hands and have discovered your nakednesse to such onely who rather pittie then deride it For my part I love not to disport my selfe at the weaknesse of any man or to turne his folly into laughter for what were this but to reflect dishonour upon the same nature wherein he partakes with my selfe Rather I could mourn over the vanities of your Pen and weep to see you so farre intoxicated as to call the most injurious dealing one shall lightly meet with by the name of candor and ingenuitie The truth is you have so fouly berayed your paper with bold and untrue assertions imputations exprobations and such like excrements that I thought even for modestie sake to have drawne over them the veile of silence and to have contested with that spirit that breathes in them no further then by speaking to it in a secret wish the Lord rebuke thee But I considered with my selfe that perhaps you might communicate in the nature of such persons who as Solomon saith Prov. 26. 5. are apt being unanswered to be wise in their own conceits and if I shall hereby demolish or at least weaken this conceit of yours I presume I shall do you herein a very charitable and Christian peece of service Think not I am become your enemeie because I tell you the truth you have injured me no other waies then by trespassing upon your own credit and by making thereby a sad breach in that holy profession wherein you stand ingaged with my selfe What ever your intentions were I conceive you have done me no more wrong in clapping the title of an Independent Proselyte upon my back then Pilate did to Christ in affixing this Superscription over his head This is the King of the Iews I think this name to be full as honourable as that of a poore and unworthy Presbyterian wherewith you have pleased to baptize your selfe and conceive that herein only you have followed your owne or rather the Apostles counsell in honour to preferre others be●ore your selfe But had you been minded to suppresse your name your very Dialect had been enough to betray you Me thinkes you write just like such a one as you say you are Did I not hope for better things from the hands of more worthy Presbyterians your unworthy dealing had set me off ten degrees further from your way then now I stand But I will not take the advantage of your or any mans misdemeanor