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A47151	The heresie and hatred which was falsly charged upon the innocent justly returned upon the guilty giving some brief and impartial account of the most material passages of a late dispute in writing that hath passed at Philadelphia betwixt John Delavall and George Keith : with some intermixt remarks and observations on the whole.	Keith, George, 1639?-1716.; Delavall, John, d. 1693.	1693 (1693)	Wing K174; ESTC R14236	18,275	24

ever they will approve his Doctrine but on the contrary if they hold to their former Principles as I am charitable they do they will condemn it and blame his so medling and all them that adhear to him notwithstanding of his Fawning and Flattery whereby he seeketh to have their favour for his professed Subjection to their Determination which if it prove a Contradiction to what he at present thinketh is the dictate of the Infallible Spirit in himself it shall be seen what manner of Person he is and how unfit to teach others that is not truly taught himself in one of the first Principles of the Christian Doctrine And notwithstanding his fawning to have favour with Friends in England he could not do a worse thing to render Friends Odious both in England and every where else to assert it as the Quakers Principle To be a Heresie and Error in a Fundamental Doctrine to say The Light within is not sufficient without something else that something else as confessed by him being the Man Christ Jesus without us and his Death and Sufferings and Intercession for if the generality of Professors in Christendom believe this to be the Quakers Doctrine there cannot be a more mischievous Stumbling block laid in their way to hinder People generally fróm joyning in Society with them Therefore I hope God will put it into the hearts of faithful Friends in England and else-where zealously to withstand this most pernicious Anti-christian Doctrine of J. Delavall and his Associates that say It is a Heresie to assert this sound Christian Doctrine That the Light within is not sufficient to save men without the Man Christ without us for if fo then either there is no Man Christ without us or he is no Saviour to us at all and hath only the bare and empty Title of a Saviour to wit the Man Jesus of Nazareth And tho' J. D. hath again and again asserted That by his so accusing me he doth not exclude the Man Christ Jesus in the Outward from having a part in our Salvation yet who can believe him but he that can believe the greatest Contradiction which no man ever can do that has not lost his common Sense and Reason and is not become a Brute in Understanding Beside if he doth not exclude him from having a part in our Salvation as neither do I but include him then in what part of my Assertion lodgeth the Heresie that he hath charged upon me for saying The Light is not sufficient without something else I confessing that by something else I neither understand Humane Learnning nor the Letter of the Scripture nor outward Preaching as absolutely and universally necessary but the Man Christ Jesus And as great a Contradiction is it in J. D. to blame me for charging him That he holdeth the Measure to be sufficient without the Fullness for if he holds not this he must needs hold That the Light within is not sufficient without the Fullness that is something else than the measure of the Light within or then he must hold two Contradictory Propositions to be false as thus It is false to say The Light is Not sufficient without the Fullness And It is false to say The Light is sufficient without the Fullness Which is an absolute Contradiction to all common Reason of Mankind and I do solemnly say that of all the Adversaries I ever had to do with in Dispute I never met with a more Ignorant or more Unreasonable Adversary And tho in a Letter to me wherein he is concerned with some others he falsly chargeth me as being either Crased c. I appeal to all Impartial Readers of common Reason Whether ever they heard or knew a man that seemeth more Crased than he And to me it seemeth a Judgment of God upon him to be so bewildered and confounded in his common Sense and Reason as a man for daring to oppose so great a Christian Truth asserted by me a poor Servant of the Lord and to call it Heresie he having signally and more than ordinary appeared but of late to joyn with me in the same Testimony as I told him in my former Paper how by his charging me with Heresie he had unministred himself To which he returns not any thing of sollid Answer but instead thereof a silly jest not worth mentioning And thus the Scripture is fullfilled in him Because they received not the Truth in Love God gave them up to strong Delusions to believe Lyes To his saying in his second Paper to me My Answer that things which are inseperable yet are distinct giveth me no Relief I answered him I need no Relief in the Case my Examples were proper and pertinent as that Faith and Repentance are inseperable and yet we are not saved by Faith without Repentance which he in his Ignorance laboureth to render Ridiculous by the Addition of his own words making them a Tautology But he altogether passeth by my Example how Christs Godhead and Manhood are inseperable and yet it is most congruous and proper to say The Man Christ cannot save us without his Godhead which Christ taught himself expresly saying I can do nothing of my self i. e. without my Father Also it doth no more infer that I deny the sufficiency of the Light within because I say it is not sufficient without the Man Christ without us than it inferreth that he that saith John Delavall is not a Man without his Soul denyeth J. D. to be a Man Or J. D. is not sufficiently honest without honest dealing denyeth J. D. to be sufficiently honest Or because Rich. Hubberthorn said Christ is not Christ without God that Christ is not Christ see his Collection pag. 29. As for his other Collections of Testimonies out of mine and other Friends Books in his second Paper added to these in his former as I said before I find none of them inconsistent with my present Doctrine and if he think they do I shall freely consent to it if he please that he may expose them to the World in Print or any other Papers he hath sent me that so Impartial Readers may judge betwixt us To his charging me with Gratifying some ill affected to the Government and my Contentious Behaviour in Church and State I have answered him His Accusation i● grosly false and malitious and I reject it as such I have no way medled with the Government but have born my faithful Testimony to Friends antient Principle against the use of outward Weapons It is no new thing for innocent men to be charged with being Enemies to Government by men of his and their Spirit and Stamp so were Friends charged in old England at their first appearance and particularly G. F. and so were the Protestants in Germany and else-where by the Papists In a third Paper I sent John Delavall in answer to his Letter bearing date the 3d of the 11 Month I did argue with him at great length That if because Christ without and Christ within are inseperably one Christ therefore it may be said according to him that it is sufficient to preach Christ within as he and many of his Brethren argue and that it is a Heresie to say The Light within is not sufficient without something else viz. the Man Christ Jesus By the same Argument It is sufficient to preach Christ without and it is a Herefie to say The Man Christ is not sufficient to Salvation without something else viz. the Light within And therefore by John Delavall and his Brethrens way of Argument all these who have only preached Christ without have been in the right and all Friends who have blamed them for not preaching Christ within are blame-worthy Why Because Christ within and Christ without are inseperably one Christ But to this and many other things in my three Papers I have received no Return And as I have told him I desire not further to Dispute with him thus in private that is to little purpose but am willing to commit to publick View partly what is already past betwixt us or what may further pass reserving some other weighty things I sent him in my former Answer to another occasion as I may have Convenience In the mean time let it be remembred that he hath not brought one place of Scripture in all his Papers whereby to convince me that I am guilty of Heresie in the matter he accuseth me And seeing the matter is come to this plain Issue that they have now publickly charged me and my Friends joyned with me of being Guilty of Heresie which formerly they did rather whisper and mutter in Corners and that it now openly appeareth in the face of the World that they accuse that to be Heresie which is a Fundamental Doctrine of the Christian Faith received as we can prove by Geo Fox George Whitehead William Penn and the best of Friends as well as by all Christians in the whole World it evidently appeareth and most necessarily followeth that the Heresie is theirs and they are Hereticks and therefore our Seperation from them is just and is a necessary Duty we having oft admonished them before in private Conferences and Meetings the Scripture saying An Heretick after the first and second Admonition Reject And thus having cleared my self of Heresie the Hatred no more than the Heresie he sought to fix on me doth not at all belong to me and therefore I return both upon him as his Due until he Repent which I can truly say I sincerely wish and desire George Keith THE END The Printer's Advertisement THat notwithstanding the various Reports spread concerning my refusing to Print for these that are George Keith's Opposers These are to signifie That I have never refused but often proffe●ed to Print any thing for them and do now again signifie that if John Delavall or any other of his Brethren have any thing to print I am most willing to do it for them not that I want to beg their Work I need it not but to leave them without Excuse that if they be any way wronged or falsly charged by what is published in Print to the World they may have equal priviledge to Vindicate themselves as Publickly though I have little cause to make this Offer to them considering their many Abuses to me W. B.

THE Heresie and Hatred which was falsly Charged upon the INNOCENT Justly returned upon the GUILTY Giving some brief and impartial Account of the most material Passages of a late Dispute in Writing that hath passed at Philadelphia betwixt John Delavall and George Keith With some intermixt Remarks and Observations on the whole Printed and Sold by William Bradford at Philadelphia Anno Dom. 1693. Heresie and Hatred justly returned on the GUILTY c. NOtwithstanding the many tendious and vexatious Disputes and Controversies that have been among us of late concerning Doctrines and Principles of Religion one Party affirming and the other denying yet at other times in publick Thomas Ll●yd and Party have endeavoured to cast a Mist before the People to make them believe That there is no difference in Doctrine betwixt them and George Keith But on the 11th of the 10th Month 1692. being the first Day of the Week in the Publick Meeting at Philadelphia before several Hundred People John Delavall silenced that pretence by accusing me of being guilty of Works of the Flesh in two particulars viz. Heresie and Hatred using this as an Argument why I should not be heard but my Ministry stopt and denyed The Heresie whereof he accused was That I have been heard to affirm That the Light within is not sufficient to Salvation without something else This he undertook to prove to be a Heresie but not from any one place of Scripture but from Friends Books and particularly from a passage in W. Penn's part of the Book called The Christian Quaker where he saith The Talent is in it self sufficient Next he undertook to prove me guilty of Hatred because as he said I had revi●ed Friends and falsly accused them in divers things But did not prove his Charge in any one particular And the said John Delavall hath divers times accused me in publick Meeting That he would prove me to be no Quaker both from my own Books and the Books of Friends To which I replyed That to prove me to be guilty of Heresie and to be no Quaker he ought first to begin with the Scripture and prove me guilty of Heresie from the Scripture and then let him proceed to prove it from my own and Friends Books Sam. Jenings replyed in the publick Meeting We are not to prove it from Scripture but from Books Friends for the Question betwixt us and G. K. is not who is the best Christian but who is the best Quaker G. K. answered If I am a good Christian I am a good Quaker seeing the Quakers own themselves to be nothing else but true Christians And also seeing that we profess to own the Scriptures and prefer them to all other Writings ye ought to begin with the Scriptures and from them prove me to be guilty of Heresie John Delavall did further accuse me That my Heresie and Error was in a Fundamental Doctrine of the Quakers in saying The Light within is not sufficient without something else G. K. answered I am glad to find the Controversie at last come to this plain issue that ye and we differ in Doctrine which ye would not acknowledge publickly before but generally said ye had nothing against my Doctrine but against my Passion c. But now it plainly appeareth that ye have against my Doctrine and that ye and I differ Fundamentally But however John Delavall hath not proved it from any Friends Books that I am guilty of Heresie for tho' William Penn saith in the Coristian Quaker That the Talent or Light within is sufficient in it self to Salvation yet he doth not say it is sufficient without the Man Christ Jesus and what he did and suffered for us on Earth and without his present Intercession and Mediation for us in Heaven which is that something else that I have affirmed to be necessary to our Salvation together with the Light within as one entire cause of our Salvation and I can and dare appeal to William Penn in the case who I hope is a living man Whether his words bear any such sence as J. D. would impose upon them to prove me guilty of Heresie in a Fundamental Doctrine of the Quakers And for his Charge of Hatred I told them That it was no sin nor evil to hate mens Errors and Hypocrisie and to bear a zealou Testimony against them nor is it any Reviling to use sharp words of Reproof against the Guilty unless ye will prove that I have falsly accused you in any thing which ye can never do tho' they have falsly accused me as I can prove and therefore both the Heresie and Hatred lyeth at your door And ye have not been short in giving hard words against me but have far exceeded me as can well be proved It may be further observed that several first Days one after another John Delavall brought to the publick Meeting his Pocket full of Books interrupting me in my Testimony and read passages out of the same pretending he would prove by my own Books that I contradicted my former Doctrine To which I have answered That it was an act of incivility that both J. Delavall and his Brethren were guilty of as well as a Breach of the chief Fundamental Law of this Province that requireth That no man be disturbed in the practice of his Religion tho' of a differing Perswasion if he profess to believe in Almighty God for them first to leave us and then again to come in upon us and in such a rude manner to interrupt and oppose me in my peaceable Testimony sometimes crying out We have heard an old Priest handle such a subject better than thou does other times Who does not believe this what need thou preach this to us And then again at other times many of them at once calling out This is airy Doctrine George this is not according to antient Friends though I have interrupted none of them nor intend to do but on the contrary we sent a proposal to their Monthly Meeting for them and us-to confer about it and see if we could accomodate the matter so as to prevent so great Confusion and all the answer we could get was That the Spirit of the Lord could not be limitted thereby making the Spirit of God the Author of so great Confusion as hath happened amongst us that a Person of Note living in New-York Province coming into the Meeting compared it to a Bull-baiting And I then told them further That seeing John Delavall did proffer to prove me to contradict my former Doctrine and to be no Quaker I was most willing and did desire that a day might be appointed for a Publick Dispute wherein he might have opportunity to prove his Charge if he could To which John Delavall positively assented without any reservation restriction or proviso but sometime after being put in mind of it by me in a Letter to him he declined it by making excuse that he would dispute with me in publick providing he had the