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so_o many_o parish_n assembly_n of_o england_n as_o have_v any_o competent_a number_n of_o good_a christian_n in_o they_o unite_v together_o for_o to_o worship_n god_n ordinary_o in_o one_o society_n so_o many_o have_v essential_a and_o integrall_a form_n of_o a_o visible_a church_n and_o all_o they_o have_v entire_a right_n to_o christ_n and_o to_o all_o the_o mean_n of_o enjoy_v he_o however_o they_o be_v defective_a in_o the_o purity_n of_o their_o combination_n and_o in_o the_o complete_a free_a excercise_v of_o their_o power_n to_o prevent_v all_o mistake_n he_o declare_v what_o he_o mean_v by_o essential_a and_o integrall_a form_n thus_o the_o essential_a form_n of_o a_o visible_a church_n be_v the_o covenant_n of_o god_n or_o true_a faith_n make_v visible_a by_o profession_n the_o note_n and_o mark_n whereof_o be_v the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n right_o administer_v and_o receive_v with_o fruit_n of_o obedience_n the_o integrall_a constitute_a form_n be_v that_o state_n relation_n or_o reference_n which_o a_o congregation_n of_o such_o professor_n have_v one_o to_o another_o by_o virtue_n of_o their_o settle_a combination_n the_o note_n or_o mark_n whereof_o be_v their_o usual_a assemble_v together_o into_o one_o place_n and_o watch_v one_o over_o another_o so_o that_o however_o the_o defect_n and_o corruption_n in_o those_o church_n be_v to_o be_v witness_v against_o and_o howsoever_o it_o be_v the_o duty_n of_o christian_n to_o endeavour_v as_o much_o as_o in_o they_o be_v to_o procure_v the_o reformation_n of_o those_o defect_n and_o not_o to_o partake_v in_o the_o sin_n of_o any_o church_n eph._n 5.11_o and_o among_o true_a church_n to_o make_v choice_n of_o those_o whereunto_o to_o join_v themselves_o which_o be_v most_o pure_a 2._o lib._n 4._o case_n cons_n cap._n 24._o quest_n 2._o so_o far_o as_o they_o be_v able_a as_o the_o same_o learned_a wright_a say_v elsewhere_o yet_o to_o dischurch_n they_o whole_o &_o to_o separate_v from_o they_o as_o no_o church_n of_o christ_n or_o to_o deny_v baptism_n to_o the_o infant_n of_o their_o know_a member_n be_v not_o warrant_v by_o any_o rule_n in_o the_o scripture_n that_o i_o know_v nor_o justify_v by_o my_o assertion_n or_o practice_n 2._o the_o practice_n of_o the_o separatist_n themselves_o show_v that_o this_o assertion_n do_v not_o strengthen_v or_o countenance_v the_o error_n of_o the_o brownist_n in_o matter_n of_o separation_n for_o they_o profess_v to_o hold_v spiritual_a communion_n with_o other_o church_n who_o do_v extend_v the_o use_n of_o baptism_n to_o as_o great_a largeness_n as_o england_n do_v and_o great_a also_o as_o i_o be_o able_a with_o god_n assistance_n to_o prove_v though_o they_o free_o witness_v against_o it_o as_o a_o disorder_n in_o those_o church_n which_o also_o many_o godly_a learned_a minister_n of_o these_o country_n be_v so_o far_o from_o justify_v that_o they_o confess_v it_o to_o be_v unwarrantable_a and_o wish_v it_o may_v be_v reform_v by_o all_o which_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o there_o be_v no_o such_o affinity_n between_o these_o opinion_n that_o the_o error_n of_o the_o brownist_n can_v not_o be_v refute_v by_o i_o but_o that_o my_o own_o opinion_n must_v fall_v together_o as_o he_o untrue_o pretend_v 3._o hereunto_o i_o will_v add_v that_o in_o thus_o reason_v the_o answerer_n imprudent_o arm_v his_o opposite_n against_o himself_o with_o his_o own_o weapon_n separation_n polit._n eccles_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 14._o eâ—_n 13._o fresh_a suit_n p._n 207._o treat_v of_o the_o necess_n of_o separation_n for_o this_o plea_n be_v take_v up_o 1._o by_o the_o those_o that_o plead_v for_o the_o prelate_n both_o of_o former_a time_n who_o mr._n parker_n have_v fit_o answer_v by_o clear_v the_o seeker_n of_o reformation_n from_o this_o imputation_n and_o retort_v it_o upon_o themselves_o and_o of_o latter_a time_n who_o dr._n ames_n in_o like_a manner_n have_v brief_o and_o fit_o answer_v 2._o by_o those_o of_o the_o separation_n for_o mr._n can_v the_o answerer_n know_v pretend_v in_o his_o book_n to_o prove_v a_o necessity_n of_o separation_n from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o the_o nonconformist_n principle_n and_o profess_v to_o oppose_v it_o especial_o to_o dr._n ames_n only_o in_o the_o point_n of_o separation_n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o he_o account_v he_o and_o such_o like_a opposite_n in_o that_o point_n notwithstanding_o their_o agreement_n in_o some_o truth_n concern_v which_o book_n i_o have_v many_o thing_n to_o say_v in_o dr._n ames_n his_o defence_n which_o if_o i_o shall_v here_o insert_v this_o tractate_n which_o already_o much_o exceed_v the_o proportion_n at_o first_o purpose_v by_o i_o will_v swell_v to_o too_o great_a a_o volume_n but_o i_o may_v well_o be_v silent_a at_o this_o time_n see_v other_o as_o i_o hear_v have_v undertake_v it_o and_o a_o more_o fit_a occasion_n may_v be_v give_v hereafter_o if_o it_o be_v thaught_v requisite_a but_o especial_o see_v he_o have_v not_o answer_v dr._n ames_n his_o second_o manuduction_n at_o all_o wherein_o he_o have_v say_v enough_o for_o the_o clear_n of_o his_o judgement_n in_o this_o matter_n nor_o indeed_o have_v he_o take_v away_o the_o force_n of_o that_o little_a which_o the_o doctor_n say_v in_o answer_n to_o the_o rejoynder_n though_o he_o express_v himself_o but_o in_o few_o line_n and_o as_o answer_v on_o another_o occasion_n and_o not_o deal_v profess_o against_o the_o separation_n all_o which_o may_v easy_o be_v demonstrate_v but_o at_o this_o time_n i_o purpose_v to_o abstain_v from_o by-controversyes_a as_o for_o his_o objection_n that_o i_o perform_v not_o that_o promise_n though_o i_o have_v time_n enough_o my_o answer_n be_v that_o he_o neither_o require_v it_o of_o i_o nor_o encourage_v i_o so_o to_o do_v by_o assure_v i_o that_o the_o performance_n thereof_o will_v end_v the_o difference_n nor_o do_v it_o fall_v fit_o in_o my_o way_n to_o speak_v of_o this_o point_n in_o any_o argument_n which_o i_o handle_v in_o public_a afterward_o his_o four_o answer_n tend_v to_o a_o slight_n of_o my_o labour_n of_o love_n in_o 6_o month_n assistance_n of_o he_o in_o a_o time_n of_o their_o extremity_n it_o become_v unthanckfull_a man_n thus_o to_o elevate_v that_o kindness_n which_o they_o have_v not_o heart_n to_o value_v nor_o purpose_n to_o requite_v for_o this_o purpose_n he_o set_v 6_o month_n wherein_o that_o writing_n as_o he_o say_v be_v give_v out_o by_o i_o and_o 6_o year_n resistance_n which_o he_o say_v be_v procure_v by_o my_o opposition_n to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o dutch_a church_n and_o as_o much_o recompense_n he_o say_v receive_v by_o i_o for_o that_o as_o some_o godly_a minister_n have_v in_o twice_o 6_o month_n reply_n concern_v the_o writing_n i_o have_v speak_v sufficient_o in_o the_o 2_o and_o 22._o section_n and_o in_o other_o place_n wherein_o i_o show_v how_o he_o compel_v i_o to_o it_o for_o declaration_n of_o the_o truth_n against_o his_o unjust_a report_n and_o how_o himself_o before_o he_o hear_v of_o any_o such_o writing_n from_o i_o have_v traduce_v i_o in_o the_o dark_a in_o a_o large_a writing_n secret_o send_v to_o his_o friend_n in_o n._n concern_v the_o ground_n of_o 6_o year_n resistance_n see_v he_o compel_v i_o thereunto_o in_o defence_n of_o the_o truth_n i_o can_v help_v it_o nor_o be_o to_o be_v blame_v for_o it_o unless_o it_o be_v a_o fault_n to_o bear_v witness_n to_o the_o truth_n when_o i_o be_o call_v thereunto_o concern_v the_o collection_n which_o he_o in_o too_o mercenary_a a_o phrase_n call_v a_o recompense_n for_o my_o labour_n i_o answer_v 1._o i_o receive_v none_o of_o it_o from_o he_o though_o some_o other_o english_a preacher_n be_v put_v to_o that_o charge_n so_o that_o to_o he_o it_o be_v a_o kindness_n 2._o i_o contract_v not_o with_o he_o for_o any_o recompense_n to_o be_v make_v i_o from_o the_o church_n by_o his_o mean_n so_o that_o in_o i_o it_o be_v a_o kindness_n 3._o i_o 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can_v such_o be_v say_v to_o profess_v the_o same_o religion_n 2._o many_o parent_n do_v not_o bring_v their_o child_n to_o baptism_n but_o some_o other_o body_n as_o much_o unknown_a to_o the_o church_n as_o they_o be_v bring_v the_o child_n it_o may_v be_v with_o it_o may_v be_v without_o the_o parent_n knowledge_n or_o consent_n for_o aught_o the_o minister_n know_v 3._o what_o promise_n do_v they_o make_v that_o be_v absent_a or_o that_o understand_v not_o the_o language_n or_o that_o be_v altogether_o ignorant_a of_o the_o faith_n that_o be_v profess_v in_o those_o church_n 2._o i_o demand_v of_o he_o in_o what_o sense_n such_o person_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v of_o such_o church_n who_o neither_o live_v under_o the_o government_n of_o those_o church_n nor_o so_o much_o as_o hear_v the_o word_n at_o all_o among_o they_o for_o aught_o any_o man_n know_v nor_o be_v in_o any_o respect_n account_v among_o the_o member_n of_o those_o church_n nor_o shall_v be_v receive_v into_o 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