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A10341 A replye answering a defence of the sermon, preached at the consecration of the bishop of Bathe and Welles, by George Downame, Doctor of Divinitye In defence of an answere to the foresayd sermon imprinted anno 1609 Sheerwood, Rihcard, attributed name. 1614 (1614) STC 20620; ESTC S113712 509,992 580

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over_o all_o the_o church_n of_o any_o kingdom_n or_o country_n we_o have_v reason_n to_o think_v that_o titus_n his_o commission_n be_v extraordinary_a in_o deed_n theodoret_n on_o 1._o tim._n 3._o and_o chrysostom_n hom._n 10._o on_o 2._o tim._n do_v give_v as_o large_a jurisdiction_n to_o timothy_n as_o to_o titus_n yea_o far_o more_o large_a esteem_v he_o to_o have_v the_o charge_n of_o all_o in_o asia_n as_o titus_n have_v in_o creta_n but_o chrysostome_n plain_o signifi_v that_o this_o be_v extraordinary_a for_o of_o titus_n he_o show_v that_o how_o soever_o paul_n commit_v so_o great_a a_o charge_n to_o he_o because_o he_o be_v one_o of_o his_o companion_n a_o man_n of_o who_o fidelity_n he_o have_v good_a proof_n &_o in_o who_o he_o put_v much_o confidence_n hom._n 1._o in_o epist_n ad_fw-la tit._n yet_o it_o be_v never_o his_o meaning_n that_o his_o burden_n shall_v lie_v by_o continual_a succession_n on_o the_o shoulder_n of_o any_o one_o man_n hom._n 2._o in_o tit._n 1._o 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