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B12207 The copy of a letter sent from an English gentleman, lately become a Catholike beyond the seas, to his Protestant friend in England in answere to some points, wherin his opinion was required, concerning the present busines of the Palatinate, & marriage with Spayne : and also declaring his reasons for the change of his religion. Crynes, N. 1622 (1622) STC 5742.7; ESTC S1070 15,353 106

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THE COPY OF A LETTER Sent from an English Gentleman lately become a Catholike beyond the seas to his Protestant friend in England In answere to some points wherin his opinion was required concerning the present busines of the Palatinate marriage with Spayne And also declaring his reasons for the change of his Religion M.DC.XXII VERY VVORTHY AND VVELVVISHED FRIEND Whereas in your letter which I last receaued you desire to be by me informed of the present state of thinges touching the Palsgraue or Prince Palatine As also what opinion we haue in these parts of the Match between England Spayne I must answere you that I dare not presume to extēd my own ignorāce so farre as to penetrate into the depth of such important matter or so to deliuer you my conceyt as that thereon you might settle a resolued opinion of the future euent But if you will be pleased to vnderstand what I heare in these partes where speach hath more freedome then in England and that therunto I may a little adde my priuate opinion I can be content to enthrall vnto you my thoughts from their priuiledged liberty seeing you can so much command me First then as touching the Prince Palatine it should seeme by that I heare and the sequell of thinges thereunto also according that he is more enclined to harken vnto the directions of the Hollanders then vnto the graue aduice of our King his Father-in Law vnto whome besides obligation of affinity he ought both in regard of Maiesty as also of Counsell more worthy to be followed to haue harkned For at the very time that his Maiesty was so prouident and carefull for him as to send his Embassadour Sir Richard Weston to treate with the Archduchesse at Bruxells about some agreement in his behalfe then did the Hollanders as more powerfull ouer him post him away into Germany there to set on foot actions of hostility wherunto he obeyed as not seeming to regard the prudent course intended by his Father-in-Law to his greater good but endeauouring to satisfy the desires of those who care not whose house be on fire so they may warm thē by the coales Also whereas his Maiesty being regardfull of iustice and equity hath shewed his dislike of this Prince his great errour in accepting at the hands of Rebells the Bohemian Crowne which appertayned vnto his owne soueraygne Lord the Emperour vnto whome he being a subiect it maketh the case so much the more dishonorable and vniust and notwithstanding that he is driuen out of the sayd Kingdome and hath lesse reason to retaine the title then when he was in it yet the Hollanders still giuing it him vpon hope that some other Crowne may befall him that therfore the title of Kingly dignity shall not in the meane tyme leaue him his ambitious blindnes is pleased to retayne it and perhaps to make it the cause of his totall Ruyne And lastly wheras it seemeth that eare is giuen vnto his Maiestyes desyre about a Truce or perhaps an absolute Peace and Reconciliation betweene the sayd Prince and the Imperiall Maiesty to the accomplishment whereof there ought in all reason to follow a submission from the inferiour and offending syde yet appeareth it not that this Prince is willing to relinquish the aforesayd Tytle and to yield vnto due submission by humbly asking pardon and acknowledging his offence but rather to remayne obstinate and follow the counsell of the baggage Hollanders who only dispose of him to their owne endes and purposes not caring at all to what calamityes they expose him so their owne turnes be serued nor whether in the end he sinke or swimme Me thinkes I can compare the state of the Hollanders as now it standeth vnto the state of a Merchant inclyning vnto Banke-breaking They doe owe as I haue byn giuen to vnderstand by such as seeme well to know it about eight milliōs of florins for which they pay interest Their trade trafike is exceedingly decayed Their charges so great with their Exercito and Presidies c. that they are forced to disburse euery day some hundreds of pounds more then their comings in do extend vnto Their good carriage hath byn such that they haue almost out-liued all their friends that were ablest to haue holpen them The meanes they haue to continue the warres they are constrayned to presse out of the harts of their subiects by most grieuous exactions and being driuen vnto desperate tearmes themselues they haue drawne this Prince into action in as bad a cause as their owne and in such a dependance with theirs that if the one of these fall both may fall togeather for company for it cannot be otherwise when the one draweth downe the other with him while he is falling and no wonder it is that this may happen where good counsell is despised and that men will needes be left to their owne folly and to bake as they haue brewed You must also vnderstand that the Hollanders posting away the Palatine into Germany was not vpon assurance of preferring him to the recouery of that which he had forfayted and lost but only to keep the forces of the King of Spayne there occupyed to the end they might not returne to the Netherlandes agaynst them But how euer it be it is in the meane time sufficient for the honour of his Maiesty to haue let al the world see that he hath done his endeuours to haue ended these broyles with peacefull security for the sparing of much bloud and auoyding the danger of depending in warre vpon the good will of fortune which now is not like to fall out so happily As for the willingnes of the Puritans and Puritanly affected in England to contribute as in your letter you signify towardes the maintenance of some thousands of men to the assistance of this Prince they do without all doubt reckon without their host little imagining what a charge it is to maintayne an army so farre of and what a burthen the continuance thereof would proue to be vnto the Realme for it could not but proue a warre of long continuance wherof the sequell would be the impouerishing of the people by drawing away the welth of the Realme by so long lasting transportes of money which would neuer come in againe nor euer bring the Realme any benefit to recompence it all which his Maiesty as a most prouident Prince wisely foreseeing besides the great effusion of bloud it moued him to resolue vpon a sweeter more conuenient course if the enemyes of peace and quietnes had not interrupted it And if so be his Maiesty shall now leaue this Prince vnto himselfe seeing he hath followed his owne selfe will the sinister counsell of turbulēt spirits that accompt their fishing best in a troubled water who cannot but thinke that his Maiesty hath serued him right And this is all I can deliuer vnto you of the opinions of such as I haue discoursed withall about this matter Touching
the Match with Spayne wherof there is now great speech and good apparence we must resolue that it resteth most in the disposition of God in whose power is the disposing of all thinges For myne owne part I dare confidently say that I do not think there can a more Great or Honorable Match be found for that Prince in all the world And let passionate men say what they will certayne it is that the continuance of peace and friendship with Spayne is as commodious to England as the keeping of peace friendship with any Countrey whatsoeuer And this the prudent King Henry the seauenth his Maiestyes Ancestour well saw when he matched his sonne and the heyre of his crowne Prince Arthur with the Lady Catharine the Kinges daughter of Castilia when there was no such greatnes added vnto it as now there is And the sayd Prince fayling for he was sickly when he marryed dyed before the mariage in all respects was consumate the sayd King Henry neglected not to procure by dispensation the match to be made with his Son Henry who now was become his heyre insteed of the other and reygned after him by the name of King Henry the eight and albeit this King did put this his marryed wife and most vertuous Queene from him after he had had her about twenty and two yeares for the loue of Anne Bullen yet was it without any iust cause and his match with Anne Bullen proued not honorable vnto him for he caused her to be beheaded for her abhominable adultery of the truth whereof if any doubt there is among other testimonies yet a letter extant of the Lord Cromwells wherein so much is signifyed I know the Puritans and Puritanly affected haue no liking of this new match with Spayne and that their friendes the Hollanders can in no case endure to heare of it the one in regard of reason of State the other in regard of a long wished Puritanicall discipline according to the Holland Reformation Concerning the Hollanders who can thinke his Maiesty obliged to forbeare this match for the giuing of them satisfaction whose greatest desyre indeed is that the Prince should not match at all for their more assurance of bringing the House of Nassow to Domineere in England seeing the Prince Palatine by his mothers side being of that House and coming in the right of his wife to that Crowne England should then become Hollandes buckler against Spayne then might come with this Prince into that Realme I know not how many land-lesse Lords of the same House and he bringing also with him as a Puritan Messias their long desired Reformation how fit would Bishops liuings fall for his Kinsmen and perhapps they would be aswel also contented to beare the names of Bishops or Administrators as the Lutheran Lord that hath gotten by his demeanour the Reuerend tytle of the mad Bishop of Halberstat and as other the like doe in Germany that gallantly ryde vpon their great horses in their apparell of all colours of the raynbow with their rapiers by their sides and huge feathers in their hattes and looke as like Bishops as Owles looke like Apes which goodly Ecclesiasticall state and dignity English Puritans for Reformation sake would perhaps be very well content to commend as well as their Puritan brethren in Scotland haue liked and alowed such like state and tytle to Lords and Gentlemen there and especially when they medled with no more but only with the displaced Bishops liuings and leaue all businesses belonging to the Word wholy in the handes of Puritan-Ministers and Consistory discipline But as the Hollanders and their correspondent-brethren our English Puritanes doe for their seuerall designes desire nothing more then the not going forward of this Match and in very deed no match at all for this Prince as before I haue noted so to the contrary all true and louing subiects to his Maiesty and bearers of dutifull affection to the Prince and countrey ought to desire it and to desire that vpon the accomplishment thereof issue may speedily follow because heerin consisteth both his Maiestyes and the Princes safety And this is all I can say vnto you fore present concerning the match with Spayne As concerning your obiection about difference of Religion The Lady being as you say a Papist and to haue the free exercise of her Religion and consequently the vse of her Chappell and Masse in the Court which you say wil be an ey-sore to the professours of the Ghospell c. Vpon these your wordes I shal be occasioned to open my selfe further then els I should haue byn willing to doe because of giuing you some vnexpected disgust when in making answere vnto your speeches I shal be brought if I must deale directly and playnly as with a friend to declare this eye-sore to be but a miscōceaued sorenes for heerupon I know you will straightways censure me to be turned Papist and condemne me of leuity for being so soone swarued from the light of your Ghospell to the liking of a Religion so generally misliked in England wherby I may stand in danger to loose your loue which very loath I would be to do considering how sincere I haue alwayes found it and what reciprocall correspondence I haue vsed for conseruation of the same The esteeme wherof being indeed the greatest cause that moueth me to be so carefull to endeauour so to excuse myselfe that you may think me the lesse blame-worthy and consequently the lesse breach may be made in your good affection towardes me seeing in myne towardes you notwithstanding difference of iudgmēt in Religion-matters there is none at all for I can see no reason to the contrary but that men may beare themselues in amity and Ciuill cōuersation with one another though the one be inclyned in conscience to serue God in a different manner from the other seeing euery man oweth his honest behauiour vnto men Well then good Sir vpon hope of reseruation of your loue that when you shall haue vnderstood how thinges haue passed you will consider before you condemne me of leuity whether I had any sufficient motiues or no to bethinke my selfe in matter of Religion more then I did before I knew there was so great cause why I should I will heere endeauour to be accomptable vnto you how things haue passed with me in this matter since my coming out of England Whiles I liued in Englād I was as you know as feruēt in our Protestāt religiō wherin I was brought vp as eyther your selfe or any in the Coūtrey can be I was a great reader of Scripture a great frequenter of Sermons and a great hater of Papists I often heard our preachers tell that the Church of Rome was a lienated from her first purity that it had entertayned many grosse errors and corruptions that forsooth the preachers of their Ghospell did restore and teach the very same doctrine that was taught in the tyme of the Apostles and