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A83819 The report made to the honourable House of Commons, Decemb. 15. 1699. By the commissioners appointed to enquire into the forfeited estates of Ireland Ireland. Commissioners appointed to enquire into the Forfeited Estates. 1700 (1700) Wing E2704AC; ESTC R200771 32,947 56

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named were there the next day Mr. Speaker Who was by Sir R. Leving My Ld Dr-gh-da nor Sir F. Brewster were there but the rest were there and the Secretary I believe was there The next day when we met again there was present as I inform'd you all the Commissioners and then Mr. Trenchard amongst other Discourse did express himself in the said manner and Mr. Annesly said that he had received Letters from Members of the House Mr. Speaker But Mr. Annesly nor Mr. Trenchard did not tell you the Contents of those Letters nor from whom they received them Sir R. Leving They said they had Letters to report this Estate but they did not as I remember name any body tho I did hear from my Ld Dr-gh-da and Sir Francis Brewster that they had named Persons but I did not my self take particular notice of any Body Mr. Speaker Did they produce any Letter or shew you any Sir R. Leving Not then Mr. Speaker When did you see any Sir R. Leving I did see a Letter the next morning and that Letter was shew'd to me by Mr. Annesly but I did not think that Letter came up to the point they spake over night Mr. Speaker Can you remember the Contents of it Sir R. Leving I had rather refer my self to the Letter I believe Mr. Annesly has it Mr. Speaker Who wrote it Sir R. Leving Must I name him Mr. Speaker Yes the House expects it of you Sir R. Leving His name is Mr. Arthur Moore And I did then take notice of it to Mr. Annesly that this Letter did not amount to what they told us the night before Mr. Speaker You say you said to Mr. Annesly you told us of a Letter you received from some Members to report this private Estate but this Letter does not come up to what you told us Upon which Mr. Annesly answered as for himself If we do not report that private Estate we had as good do nothing Sir R. Leving I don't say so Upon recollection I do now believe that those Gentlemen Mr. Trenchard and Mr. Annesly did say that there was contained in the Letter that Expression that if they did not put that Estate into the Report they had as good do nothing but when I once saw that Letter I thought they had imposed upon us Then Sir P. Leving withdrew and all the rest of the Commissioners that were then in town with their Secretary were ordered to be brought in And accordingly Sir Francis Brewster Mr. Annesly Mr. Trenchard Mr. Langford and Mr. Hooper their Secretary were brought in Mr. Speaker Gentlemen I am commanded to enquire of you and if you please you may speak severally to it The House has been informed of some discourses among you Gentlemen of this Commission when you differed in opinion about returning of King James's private Estate the first time Mr. Trenchard was not there and the next day that Mr. Trenchard was brought there but I think the Discourse the House would enquire after was the 2d day when Mr. Trenchard was there which was to this Effect That some Argument being given why this Estate was Forfeiture and other Arguments being given it was not one of the Commissioners as this House hath been informed should say if it be not within our Commission 't is a flying in the King's face Upon which another Commissioner made answer Why the Commission it self flies in the King's face And for what are we sent hither but to fly in the Kings face or to that effect Members No no. Mr. Speaker I beg Pardon if I mistake the words were to this effect The Commission flies in the King's face and if you will not fly in his face you must not or you cannot execute this Commission You are all said to be present when these words were spoken So you will please to give account severally to the House what passed upon this occasion and what you remember of it Sir Francis Brewster if you please Sir Francis Brewster I beg leave to say I am sorry for any differences between us and that we were as hearty as any in the execution of this Commission But for the matter of the words now spoke of there was some Discourse concerning the reporting that private Estate Sir R. Leving said it was not within our Enquiry To which some Reply was made why if it was not within our Commission yet it might be fit to be reported My Ld Dr-gh-da made answer If it be not within our Commission then it will be to fly in the King's face to report it Another then said the Commission flies in the King's face and we can't act in this Commission unless we fly in his face I think that was said by Mr. Hamilton Upon which some other Arguments went on to enforce the passing of it At last some of the Commissioners said they had a Letter from several Members of the House of Commons that gave them reason to believe they should report this Estate I think it was said by Mr. Annesly Upon which Sir R. Leving made answer I do not think these Gentlemen have changed their minds that was that Forfeitures might be made by Kings upon which it was answered you are mistaken a great many of your Friends are now come over to us and they urged it still more and at last they said they had had several Letters about it I must confess I made answer I know not whether you have had any Letter I never had any But I must needs say if I had no other reason I should not sign this Report for I think I ought not to be directed by any private Member of the House of Commons and that no Letter should prevail with me to do it I am loth to name any one Mr. Speaker The House expects it Sir F. Brewster I think they named Mr. Harcourt Mr. Speaker Who named him Sir F. Brewster Mr. Annesly He did not say in his Letter particularly but did say something to that purpose that if we did not report the private Estate we had as good do nothing and he said it was so in the Letter Mr. Speaker Was you at Mr. Trenchard's Chamber the first night that he was not at the Commission the night before he was brought thither Sir F. Brewster No Sir I was not Mr. Speaker Mr. Annesly If you please to give an Account of what you know of this matter you hear to what the House hath a mind to be informed 't is as to the Discourse that happened amongst you the Commissioners the 2 days you differed in opinion concerning the inserting of this Grant into your Report and particularly as to the words spoken by Mr. Hamilton or what else you heard then Mr. Annesly Truly Mr. Speaker I never expected to have been called to an account for any thing that was said among the Commissioners in Ireland upon their debates or that any Gentleman in Commission with us would have acted such a part here