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A70113 Their highness the Prince & Princess of Orange's opinion about a general liberty of conscience, &c. being a collection of four select papers.; Correspondence. Selections Fagel, Gaspar, 1634-1688.; Stewart, James, Sir, 1635-1713. Correspondence. Selections.; Burnet, Gilbert, 1643-1715. 1689 (1689) Wing F93; Wing B5930; ESTC R3295 28,089 40

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too great Mislike of that which can never wrong him but will in probability in the event be wholly in his own power I hope you will consider and make your best use of these things I expect an Account of this per first I mean an Answer to this Letter and pray improve it to the best Advantage The Second Letter without a Date THat it is a thing most certain that his Majesty is resolved to observe the Succession to the Crown as a thing most sacred and is far from all Thoughts of altering the same and that his Majesty is very desirous to have the Prince and Princess of Orange to consent to and concur with him in establishing this Liberty So that upon the whole it may be feared that if the Prince continue obstinate in refusing his Majesty he may fall under Suspicions of the greatest part of England and of all Scotland to be too great a Favourer of the Church of England and consequently a person whom they have reason to dread And many think that this Compliance in the Prince might be further a wise part both as to the Conciliating of his Majesty's greater Favour and the begetting of an Understanding betwixt the King and the States and the Parliament will consent to the Liberty so much the rather that they have a Protestant Successor in prospect I cannot on these things make any conclusion but simply leave them to your Reflection and the best use you please to make of them I will expect your Answer per first VVindsor July 18. 1687. THE Hints that I gave you in my two former Letters I shall now explain more fully in this And therefore I heartily wish that the Prince and Princess may understand all that you think needful on this Subject It troubles his Majesty to find them so averse from approving this Liebrty and concurring for its Establishment so that in truth I cannot see why their Highnesses should not embrace cheerfully so fair an Opportunity to gratify both his Majesty and the far greater and better part of the Nation Now upon the whole I expect that you will make all I have written fully known at the Hague especially with the Prince But the main thing I expect from you is to have your mind whether or not his Highness may be so disposed as that a well Chosen Informer sent to himself might perfect the Work. And this Answer I will expect per first where ever the Prince be you know who are to be spoken and how I again entreat your Care and Dispatch in this with your Return London July 29. 1687. MIne of the 19 July with my last of the 26th July V. St. will I am sure satisfy you fully for therein I have indeed answered all can be objected and have given you such an Account of the Confirmation of all I have writ from his Majesty himself that I must think it a Fatality if your people remain obstinate And I again assure you if your people be obstinate it will be fatal to the poor Dissenters and I fear productive of Ills yet unheard of and therefore pray consider my Letters and let me know if there be any place to receive Information by a good Hand but however let us endeavour Good all we can and I assure you I have my Warrant Haste your Answer Windsor Aug. 5. 1687. AND in a word believe me if the Prince will do what is desired it is the best service to the Protestants the highest Obligation on his Majesty and the greatest Advancement of his own Interest that he can think on but if not then all is contrary But pray haste an Answer Windsor Aug. 12. 1687. I Have yours of the 15. Instant long looked for you remark that you have received mine of the 26 of July but say nothing of that of the 19. which was my fullest and which I assure you was writ not only with permission but according to his Majesties Mind sufficiently expressed our Religion ought certainly to be dearer to us than all earthly Concerns It is very true what you say that mistakes about its Concerns especially in such a time may be of the greatest Importance which no doubt should perswade to a very scrupulous Caution But yet I am satisfied That the simple Representing of what was wrote to you which was all I required was no such difficult Task But to be plain with you as my Friend your return was not only long delayed but I observe such a Coldness in it different from the strain of your former that I think I mistake not when I understand by your Letter more than you express I wish the P. may see or hear this from end to end London Aug. 22. 1687. I Have yours of the 16th Instant when I said your last was more Cool I meant not as your Affection but as to your diligence in that Affair for I am perswaded that the establishing of this Liberty by Law is not only the Interest of Protestant Dissenters above all others but that his Highness s consenting to it would be its secure Guarantee both against Changes and Abuses As you love the Quiet of good Men and me leave off Complements and Ceremonies and discourse his Highness of all I have written I am now hastening to Scotland but may return shortly for the Kings is most desirous to gain the Prince and he will be undoubtedly the best Guarantee to us of this Liberty and also to hinder all your Fears about Popery Newwark Aug. 26. 1687. BUT now I must tell you that though I know to be my very good Friend yet he hath not answered my Expectation for you see that to seven of mine he gave me not one Word of Answer although I told him that the substance of them was writ by the King's Allowance and a Return expected by him besides the Answers he makes are either Generals or Complements whereas my desire was that the Prince should know things and that his Answer with his Reasons might be understood but my Friend has delayed and scruffed things From Scotland Septemb. 24. 1687. I Have yours of the 30th of Aug. but have delayed so long to answer because I had written other Letters to you whereof I yet expect the Return my most humble Duty to my Friend at the Hague Edinburg Octob. 28. 1687. AS for that more important Affair wherewith I have long troubled you I need add no more my Conscience bears me Witness I have dealt sincerely for the Freedom of the Gospel I had certainly long e're now written to the Pensioner Fagel were it not that I judged you were a better Interpreter of any thing I could say I know his real Concern for the Protestant Religion and shall never forget his undeserved Respect to me but alas that Providences should be so ill understood London Novemb. 8. 1687. I Have yours of the 1st of November the enclosed from the L. Pensionary surprize me with a Testimony of his Favour and Friendship and also of his sincere Love to the Truth and fair and candid Reasoning upon the present Subject of Liberty beyond what I can express he hath seriously done too much for me but the more be hath done in complience with my insignificant Endeavours the more I judge and esteem his noble and zealous Concern for Religion and Peace which I am certain could only in this Matter be his just Motive I hope you will testify to him my deep Sense of his Favour and most serious Profession of Duty with all Diligence until I be in 〈◊〉 to make his L. a direct Return I showed the Letter to my L●rd Melfort who was satisfied with it London Novemb. 6. 1687. Which it seems is by a mistake of the Date I Have your last but have been so harassed and toiled that I have not had time to write to you much less to my L. Pensionary yet since my last I acquainted the Earl of Sunderland with his Answer as the King ordered me but I see all Hope from your Side is given quite over and Men are become as cold in it here as you are positive there London Novemb. 19. 1687. By my last of the 8th Instant I gave you notice of the Receipt of my Lord Pensionary ' s Letter and what was and is my Sence of his extraordinary Kindness and Concern in that Affair Since that time I have had the Oppertunity to shew them to the King and at his Command did read to him distinctly out of the English Copy all the Account given of her Highnesses mind touching the Penal Statutes and the Test and withall signified the Sum of what was subjoyned especially the Respect and Difference therein Expressed to his Majesty ' s Person and Government but to my own Regret I find that this Answer hath been too long delayed and that now the King is quite over that Matter being no ways-satisfied with the Distinction made of the Tests from the Penal Laws and no less positive that his Highness is neither to be prevailed upon nor so much as to be further treated with in this Matter The Conclusion AND thus all that relates to the Occasion that drew the Pensioners Letter from him appears in its true light If this Discovery is uneasie to Mr. Stewart he has none to blame for it but himself It is very likely the first Article of his merit for the defacing of all that was past was the Pains he took to work on their Highnesses by the Pensioners means But that having failed him the abusive Letter that he has published upon it may come in for a second Article And now the Reproaches to which this Discovery must needs expose him must compleat his Merit If upon all this he is not highly rewarded he has ill Luck and small Encouragement will be given to others to serve the Court as he has done But if he has great Rewards it must be acknowledged that he has paid dear for them the printing and distributing 15000 Copies of his Letter is only the publishing his Shame to 15000 persons though it is to be doubted if so many could be found in the Nation who would give themselves the Trouble to read so ill a Paper FINIS
himself The Sum of the Matter of Fact as it is represented by Mr. Stewart amounts to this That he was so surprised to see in January last the Pensioner's Letter to him in Print that he was inclined to disbelieve his own Eyes considering the remoteness of the Occasion that was given for that Letter That he had never writ to the Pensioner but was expresly cautioned against it but that seeing the Sincerity of the King's Intentions he was desirous to contribute his small Endeavours for the advancing so good a Work and for that end he obtained leave to write to a private Friend who he judged might have Opportunity to represent any thing he could say to the best Advantage But that of the Letters which he writ to his Friend there were only two intended for Communication in which he studied to evince the Equity and Expediency of repealing the Tests and the Penal Laws And that with a peculiar regard to the Prince and Princess Orange's Interest and he desired that this might be imparted to Friends but chiefly to those at the Hague And that this was the Substance of all that he writ on that Occasion But finding that the Prince had already declared himself in those Matters he resolved to insist no further Yet his F●ind insinuating That he had still Hopes to get a more distinct and satisfying Answer from a better Hand tho without naming the Person he attended the Issue and about the beginning of November almost Three Months after his first writing he received the Pensioners Letter though he had not writ to him which is repeated again and again and in it an Account of the Prince and Princess of Orange's Thoughts about the Repeal of the Tests and Penal Laws which he had not desired upon which he took some care to prevent the publishing of it Put when he saw it in Print he clearly perceived that it was printed in Holland and so wonders how the Pensioner could say that it was printed in England which he found in his printed Letter to Mr. d' Albeville he knows not upon what Provocation the Pensioner writ that Letter but in it he finds that he writ that he was desired by himself to give him an Account of the Prince and Princess of Orange ' s Thoughts and that these pressing Desires were made to him by His Majesties Knowledge and allowance this being so different from the Letters he had writ of which he is sure that the Account he has given is true in every point he was forced to vindicate the the King's Honour and his own Duty He writ not out of any curiosity to know their Highnesses Though 's which were already known they having been signified to the Marquis of Albeville and therefore he had no Orders from the King for writing on that Subject but only a Permission to use his little Endeavours for the advancing of his Service but it was never moved to him to write either in the King's Name or in the Name of any of his Secretaries This is Mr. Stewart's Account in the first Nince Pages of his Letter and is set down In his own Words Now in opposition to all this it will appear from the following Extracts that Mr. Stewart writ to his Friend as the most proper Interpreter for addressing himself to the Pensioner that he repeated his Proposition frequently finding his Friend unwilling to engage in so critical a matter He gives great ●●surances of his Majesty's Resolutions never to al●●r the Succession which is plainly the Language of a Treaty he presses over and over again to know the Prince's Mind whose concurrence in the matter would be the best Guarentee of the●●iberty He by name desires his Letters may be shewed to the Prince and Princess of Orange though he says he only ●rder●d ●hem to be shewed to Friends at the Hague so it seems he has the modesty to reckon them among the number of his Friends but it is a question whether their Highnesses do so or not He says in one Leteer That what he writ was from his Majesty himself and enlarges more fully on this in two other Letters and he desires that the Prince's Answers with his Reasons might be understood which very probably gave the Occasion to all the reasoning part of the Pensioner's Letter And it appears by that Letter that the Return to all this was expected by the King and in almost every Letter he presses for a Return And in conclusion upon his receiving the Pensioner's Letter he expresses likewise a great sense of the Honour done him in it that he had so far complied with his insignificant Endeavours he mentions his acquainting both the King and the Earls of Sunderland and Melfort with it and in another Letter after new Thanks for the Pensioner's Letter he laments that it was so long delay'd But all these things will appear more evident to the Reader from the Passages drawn out of Mr. Stewart's own Letters which follow Mr. Stewart seems not to know upon what Provocation the Pensioner writ to Mr. d' Albeville and yet the Ponsioner had set that forth in the Letter it self for the Pamphlet entituled Parliamentum Pacificum that was Licensed by the Earl of Sunderland contained such Reflections on his Letter to Mr. Stewart either as a Forgery or as a thing done without the Princess of Orange ' s Knowledge that the Pensioner judged himself bound in Honour to do himself right As for Mr. Stewart's criticalness in knowing that the Pensioner's Letter was first Printed in Holland and his Reflection on the Pensioner for insinuating that the Letter was first Printed in England it is very like that Mr. Stewart after so long a Practise in Libels knows how to distinguish between the Prints of the several Nations better than the Pensioner whose course of Life has raised him above all such Practices But it is certain that wheresoever it was first Printed the Pensioner writ sincerely and believed really it was first Printed in England This is all that seemed necessary to be said for an Introduction to the following Extracts July 12. 1687. AND I assure you by all I can find here the establishment of this equal Liberty is his Majesty's utmost Design I wish your people at the Hague do not mistake too far both his Majesty and the Dissenters for as I have already told you his Majesty's utmost Design and have ground to believe That his Majesty will preserve and observe the True Right of Succession as a thing most sacred so I must entreat you to remark That the Offence that some of the Church of England Men take at Addressing seems to me unaccountable and is apprehended by the Dissenters to proceed so certainly from their former and wonted Spirit that they begin to think themselves in large more Hazard from the Church of England's Re-exaltation than all the Papists their Advantages And next that the Prince is thought to be abused by some there to a