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A view of the differences between France and Spain in which is shown the present posture of the affaires of Europe· English't by a person of honour.; Judicious vievv of the businesses which are at this time between France and the house of Austria.
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Person of honour.
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Embassadors To which the French answered that they were sent by their King not to judge causes or to decide of the Rights of King Philip who was a good friend brother in law to their King Charles the IX but if any would take their place they were resolved to stand for it against all sorts of persons which if the Councill denyed them they had order to with draw with all the French Prelates and to protest of the nullity of the resolutions which should be taken in their absence To which the Legate answered nothing That declaration of the French though generous gave occasion to the affront which soon after was offered to them in the Councill for they are censured by posterity for not requiring absolutely that the Spaniards should fit under them An. 1563. The Legates fearing some division between the French and Spanish Doctors about their order in speaking gave order that without distinction of Nations every one should speak according to his seniority of Doctorship But because some among the French Divines had the seniority over the Spanish these made great complaints to the Legate pretending that this preference of the French would be a prejudice against the dispure which the Countide Luna was forming against the French Embassadours The Legats rebuked them shewing that the Doctors though sent by the Princes did not represent their persons as the Embassadors did and that the question was onely of the seniority of the degree not of the preference of the Nations Notwithstanding these satisfactory Reasons the Spaniards were angry and threatned the Councill of their Kings displeasure who should take off his protection from them The French seeing that the Spaniard stood upon points in such a clear business and that of Doctors they would make Embassadours did obstinate themselves also to have the preference even in the disputes of the Divines And because the Popes delegates spake first without contradiction the French asked to be admitted to speak next after them which the Legates were constrained to grant and it was decreed that after the Jesuite Salmeron the Popes Divine Nicolas Maillart Dean of the faculty of Paris should speak and that after that all should speak according to the seniority of their degree which was followed Yet to content the Spaniards it was enacted in the Register of the Councill that the French Doctor had spoken the first by the right of his seniority in the degree of Doctor not by the preference of his Nation The same year 1563. upon Easter-day the Count of Luna was received at Trent and in his entry mached between the Embassadors of the Emperour and of France This Ceremony past with much honour and civility between the two Nations And at the same time the Cardinal of Lorrain writ to the Emperour Ferdinand who was at Insprugh in the County of Tirol three dayes journey from Trent upon divers affaires of the Councill and in the end of the Letter desired him to find some temper to lay down the dispute about the preference between the two Crowns so that it might not appear in the Councill But his Country-men blamed him for it saying that he ought not to have taken notice of a dispute so ill grounded Or if he had spoken of it it should not have been to have desired a temper but to maintaine his Kings right The Emperour answered him that it belonged not to him to decide the disputes between the Kings of France and Spain but since he had desired him to speak his sense about it if your Embassadours said he maintaine their rank after mine and that none take that place from them what does it import you what place be assigned unto the Spaniards A verdict ill taken by the French who held it to be of a dangerous consequence For in an order of sitting who so leaveth his place say they is thought to despise it and to ask a higher which cannot be done without moving a dispute against those that sit in a higher seat The Count of Luna after that solemn entry was hidden forty dayes and appeared not in any ceremony of publique action being in great perplexity how to behave himself sometimes he had a mind to enter into the assembly in the midst of the two Embassadors of the Emperor who were injoyned to bear him company and after they had taken their place stand by them till his Commission had been verified by the Councill and then retire to his house But considering that this would not be a generous maintaining of his Masters honour he made means that the French Embassadors should be desired not to appeare in the Assemby that day which being denyed him he sent some Spanish Bishops to the Legates to propound unto them that the secular Embassadors of Princes should not enter into the generall Congregations but the day of their reception but should content themselves to be present at the Ceremony the day of the Session maintaining that it had been so observed in the Councells before But all the Embassadors of Princes having opposed that motion he could obtain nothing Again he caused some Bishops to propound some point to the Congregation at the discussion whereof the French ought not to be present as interessed parties for example to represent what damage would result to the whole Church by a peace of the King of France with the Hugonots or some such thing But all that being rejected and the Congregation being put off from day to day by his obstinacy in the end that the businesses of the Councell might not be retarded the Cardinall of Lorraine and the French Embassadors declared to the Legates that if they might keep their place immediately after the Emperours Embassadors they did not care what place the Embassador of Spain should take The French to this day exclaim against that action of the Cardinal and the French Embassadors saying that it was a great weaknesse and that they had betrayed their Masters honour Yea the Fathers of the Councell disliked it And when the Cardinal de la Bourdesiere Resident for the King of France by the Pope complained to him of that Spanish ambition and novelty introduced against all ancient orders the Pope it was Pius the IV. answered that he should complaine to the French Embassadors whose weakness he condemned saying that although he had been solicited before and after the entry of Count de Luna into Trent to favour that designe he had remained constant and inflexible and that he wondred how the French had so easily yea so freely yielded The day of the Congregation being come and each Embassador having taken his place the Count of Luna enters stands over against the Legates somewhat far from the Embassadors seat presents his Orders and declares his Masters will Then he protested that although the first seat was due to him next to the imperiall Embassadors as representing the greatest Prince of Christendome the greatest Prop of the Church c. yet that he should
That honour was seen by the place where they sate by the Censer and by the Pax which was given them in the time of the Mass Now whereas this Councill was held at three severall times under there several Popes Paul the III Jule the III and Pius the IV. In the time of Paul and Jule Charles the V was Emperour whose Embassadors without contradiction sat above the French Embassadors who in the sixteen first Sessions appeared very little and no place was held there under the title of Spain Yet some things hapned then which shewed the eminency of the French Kings above all others next to the Emperour In the Bull of the Indiction of the Councill Paul the III dated an 1542. the King of France is named after the Emperour in express terms and all the other Princes comprehended in one generall term and that twice Thus Charissimos in Christo filios nostros Carolum Romanorum Imperatorem Christianissimum Regem Franciscum duo praecipua Christiani nomins firmamenta atque fulcra orare atque obsecrare institimus A little lower Supra autem dictos Imperatorem Regemque Christianissimum nec non caeteros Reges Duces Principes quorum praesentia si aliàs unquam hoc quidem tempore maximè sanctissimae Christi fidei Christianorum futura est salutaris rogantes atque obsecrantes per viscera misericordiae Dei c. In the beginning of the Council an 1545. Francis the I had appointed for his Embassadors Claude D'Urfé Seneschal of Forests Jacques de Liguieres President in the third Chamber of Enquests in the Parliament of Paris and the Deane Peter Danes since Bishop de la Vaur But being informed by some French Bishops that were at Trent that there was little hope that the Councell should do any good he called back his Embassadors who did not appear in the Councel Antony Filioly of Ganat Archbishop of Aix in Provence was there for the King who in the first Session when publike prayers were made for the Princes having required that the King of France should be named in expresse termes as he had been named in the Bull of the Indiction the Legats eluded that demand and said that the Fathers ought to be consulted about it and none was prayed for in expresse termes but the Pope and the Emperour all other Princes were comprehended in one generall term In the year 1546. Francis the I sent his Embassadour Peter Danes Bishop de la Vaur to the Councill At his reception he made a sine speech wherein he represented the State of Christendom and the great disorders crept into the Church even into the Court of Rome At which when a certaine Bishop did laugh saying Gallus Cantat Danes replyed readily Utinam isto gallicinio Petrus ad resipiscontiam fletum excitetur An Apophthegm which afterwards was rife in the mouth of the Fathers of the Councill An. 1547. when Paul the III to avoid the plague the war of Germany would remove the Councill from Trent to Bolonia the Legates consulting the Fathers about it said that his Holinesse approved of it Communicato etiam consilio cum Imperatore Christianissimo Rege aliis Regibus ac principibus Christianis which is another expression of the honour which the Council did to the Kings of France But in the third Indiction of the Councill under Pius the IV. an 1561 in the Bull of the Indiction Pius the IV useth other words then Paulus the III and Julius the III had used before Thus Charissimos verò in Christo filios nostros Romanorum Imperatorem electum caeterosque Reges Principes quos optandum sanè esset Concilio interesse posse hortamur rogamus without any mention of the most Christian King Philibert de la Bourdesiere Bishop of Angoulesm Embassadour of France in the Popes Court expostulated with him by the Kings order for that neglect with protestation that notwithstanding that neglect he would not hinder the progress of the Councill yea that he had commanded his Bishops to go to the Councill The Pope answered that he had charged some Cardinals to form the Bull and that they had not heeded that Pointillo and that after they had named the Emperour they had not judged it necessary to name all the Kings but had comprehended them under one generall name The Embassador replyed that it was a Prerogative of the Kings of France not to be comprehended under a generall name The Pope answered that he could not foresee all things and that another time order should be given that the like errour should not be committed In the year 1562 the 18. of May Lewis de Saint Gelais Lord de Lansac came to Trent and three dayes after Arnault Ferrier President of the Enquests of Paris and Guy du Faur de Pibrac chiefe Judge of Tolosa sent by the King of France who were received with great honour by the Council yea great part of the Prelats subjects of the King of Spain went to meet them But Ferdinand de Avalo Marquess of Pesquera Embassadour to King Philip went out of Trent three dayes before and retired to Milan of which he was Governour pretending a feare from the Protestants of Daulphiné and the Switzers but in effect to avoid meeting with the French Embassadors who took their place in the general Congregation after the Imperiall Embassadors Pibrac made a fine Oration wherein he spake very freely against the disorders of the Church the small progress of the Councill in such a long time and for the liberty of voting in the Councill which was not to be expected from Rome He was seconded by the two other Embassadors Lansac and Ferrier The Pope complained of it and said that the King of France had sent not Embassadors but Advocates of the Hugenots And indeed the ill opinion which the Fathers of the Councill had of the beliefe of these three men was a cause why the Councill and the Pope dealt with them with more rigor In the meane while the French Bishops came to the Councill conducted by the Cardinall of Lorraine who was most honourably received by the Cardinall of Mantua and the other Legates Soon after the coming of the Cardinall of Lorrain Philip the II having called back the Marquesse of Pesquera sent to Trent another Embassador Ferdinand Quigones Count de Luna who being gone to Germany before to be present at the Coronation of Maximilian Son to the Emperour Ferdinand would know of the Fathers of the Councill what place they would give him Upon which the Cardinall of Mantua the first Legate having consulted with the Embassadours of France and the Cardinall of Lorraine he propounded unto them this accommodation that as for them they should keep their place next to the Embassadors of the Emperour and that some other place might be found for the Count of Luna over against the Legates on the other side or after the Ecclesiastical Embassadors or in some other place out of the bench of the