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B09464	Animadversions on the defence of the answer to a paper, intituled The case of the dissenting Protestants of Ireland, in reference to a bill of indulgence from the exceptions made against it together with an answer to a peaceable & friendly address to the non-conformists written upon their desiring an act of toleration without the sacramental test.	Mac Bride, John.; Pullen, Tobias, 1648-1713. Defence of the ansvver to a paper intituled The case of the dissenting Protestants.	1697 (1697)	Wing M114; ESTC R180238	76,467	116

this silly shift of bending the Knee in the Eucharist which came in with Popery they call indifferent and well know we will not do contrary to our Conscience while they do not try us with the Doctrinal Articles for a Test let all Wise Men judge of this Policy and Religion His second Observation of Dissenters growing much more tumultuous since the Legal Indulgence hath been granted them I apprehend hath been made by the D. in his Dream arising from frightful Ideas he hath of the Dissenters for sure since the commencement of a Legal Indulgence in 1689. no instance of Dissenters Tumults can be produc'd Tho' we can instance Bloody Tumults Rebellions and Conspiracies against the King and Government carried on by those who call themselves the Sons of the Church both in England and Scotland in which no Presbyterian hath been concern'd The V. having desired to know from the D. wherein a Toleration to Dissenting Protestants will advance the Popish Interest in Ireland he promiseth to give a full and ample satisfaction in this matter And 1st He desires him seriously to consider whether there be not violent presumption that a publick Legal Indulgence to Protestants doth not highly advance the Popish Interest since all Romish Emissaries so eagerly desire and industriously promote Tolerations tho limited to Protestant Dissenters and when all other measures fail'd have readily expended considerable Summs of Money to purchase them And it is generally known that the Declaration A. 1671 2. was of the Papists procuring A. If this Declaration was not granted in favor of the Dissenters in Ireland as he knows it was not his Answer can't satisfy the V's demand who would only know wherein a Toleration to Dissenters in Ireland wou'd advance the Popish Interest here but the Declaration he speaks of seems to be that emitted in England A. 1691 2 and then he most disingenuously represents the matter for it was procured by an Exigence of State Affairs England then being engaged in a War against Holland it was thought unsafe to persecute so numerous and wealthy a part of the Nation as Protestant Dissenters then were and in the interim to carry on a War against their Friends abroad therefore to keep matters at home as quiet as possible a Declaration for Indulgence was Published but so far from limiting the Indulgence to Protestant Dissenters that Popish Recusants had apparently the greatest share in that Liberty which so much disgusted the Nation that the King was necessitated to make Apology for it as appears by his Speech to the Parliament Feb. 5. An. 1672. In which he saith I put forth my Declaration for Indulgence to Dissenters and have hitherto found the good effect of it There is one part that is subject to mis-construction which is that concerning the Papists as if more liberty were granted to them than to other Recusants when it is plain there is less I do not intend to prejudice the Church but will support its Religion in its full Power having said I shall take it very ill to receive Contradiction in what I have done and I will deal plainly with you I am Resolved to stick to my Declaration The Lord Chancellor also spake the same thing viz. His Majesty hath so fully Vindicated his Declaration from that Calumny concerning the Papists that no reasonable scruple can be made against it by any good Man he hath sufficiently justify'd it by the time it was Published in the Effects he hath had from it and might have done it more from the agreeableness of it to his own natural Disposition which no good English-man could wish other ways than it is he loves not blood nor rigorous severities but where mild and gentle methods may be used by a Prince he is certain to chuse them and concludes that head thus But His Majesty is not convinced that violent Ways are the Interest of Religion or the Church By this we may see if the D. doth not Rival the V. in setting as he saith of him things in a false light for what can be less candid than this Representation of that matter Seeing 1. There was no legal Toleration but a Liberty granted by a Declaration which is questionable whether Law or not 2. Nor was it limitted to Protestant Dissenters only but included also Papists Nor 3dly Procured by mony By this we may see the merciless disposition of some Church-Men who first extort from the Magistrate Rigorous Laws and then reproach Dissenters for disloyalty in not obeying them which they have squeezed from the Magistrate contrary to his Inclination and Interest The D's second Argument to prove that the free exercise of Protestant Religion according to different Modes will advance the Popish Interest here is drawn from his experience for saith he when Protestant Dissenters or as he calls them pretended Protestants have been Legally Indulged it hath been experimentally found that Popish Emissaries were more numerous their Application greater and Harvest more plenteous than at other times A. If the D. had as sincerely intended as he vainly promised ample satisfaction in this point he would have instanc'd the time when and place where a legal Indulgence granted to Protestant Dissenters produc'd that effect for tho he values his own testimony as demonstration others do not for it appears not that this fell out in Queen Elizabeth's K. James's or K. Charle's 1st time it then must be either in Oliver's time as by the date of Bishop Bramhall's Letter in 1659 which he cites would appear but then the Papists do not glory in their Harvest here unless it was that many of them were cut down at the same rate being set on a Priest's Head in Ireland as on a Wolf which occasion'd Emissaries to be never less numerous than then or after the Restauration of K C. 2d during whose Reign Dissenters had no Legal Indulgence here tho we confess the application of Papists was strong the Harvest plentiful and Emissaries numerous or for King James the 2d's time in which no such Toleration limited to Dissenters was thought on The charge then must lye on K. W. and Q. M. since 1689. but then his experience will be found false for neither we bless God for it are Popish Emissaries so numerous as in former times have been nor their harvest so plentiful nay we have found it experimentally that when Protestant Dissenters has been violently Persecuted Popish Emissaries has been most warmly Entertain'd for when Dissenters in the North of this Kingdom were forced in the beginning of K. C. I's Reign to undertake a troublesome Voyage to America there to shelter themselves from Persecution tho' providentially driven back then a Toleration for Papists here was granted Concerning Bp. Bramhall's Letter to Primate Vsher produc'd to prove his experience Anno 1659. in which 't is said that several of the Popish Clergy of France were taught manual Trades to qualify them as Emissaries to foment divisions in England A few Instances given of these

conditions to an Enemy which if he were left to the freedom of his own will neither his fatherly kindness would incline him nor his prudence permit him to allow even to some of his own Children this were no reflection on his justice or kindness A. Supposito quolibet sequitur quodlibet But let us suppose as well as he what is real matter of fact that the Civil Parent is under no such pressure but delivered from it by the assistance of his dutiful Children It wou'd reflect on his justice not only to treat equally dutiful Children unequally but to deal worse with the dutiful Children than with rebellious heart-Enemies And it is but to Preach up Rebellion to tell us that our Civil Parents may reward Rebellion with priviledges not to be granted to Loyal Subjects For if Rebellion be the way to obtain priviledges men will easily be induc'd to Rebel To the D's reflection on Dissenters as men of uncertain measures and unsteady tempers and therefore not to be trusted for it 's unknown what changes some sudden turns of publick Affairs might make in the passions and interests of such men We Answer that tho we pretend not to immutability yet most Dissenters dare assert the certainty of their measures and steadiness of their tempers to have exceeded their Accusers for neither can he charge us with breach of our Oath to any King after Swearing never to take up Arms against him nor any in Authority by him upon any pretence whatsoever nor did we violate our Faith by endeavoring alteration of the Government in the State Having never taken such an Oath Some of his own Brethren can tell him that the Pillars of his Party who in former Reigns were fixed Stars are now become Planets And that of the seven Golden Candlesticks put in the Tower by King Ja. five of them prov'd Princes Metal The Speech made by the Bishop of M. in the name of the Clergy to King Ja. at the Castle of Dublin March 1688. And that made to K. William at his Camp nigh Dublin 7 July 1690. by the same Persons convince us that sudden turns of publick Affairs will change mens passions yea and prayers to witness that set framed 1688. against the Invasion intended by the Pr. of O. and the new Edition framed since for K. William where God is thanked for not hearing the former prayers so that Turpe est doctori cum culpa reda●guit ipsum If they be afraid of our unsteady tempers let us be Established by Law and that prevents the evil in us as well as them The D'● consequence from the uncertain measures c. of Dissenters viz. that all prudent and unbyass'd persons will agree in judging that a limited Indulgence will be more proper for the Non-Conformists than a legal and restrictive Liberty c. A. We are of opinion that neither We nor the Establish't Church have right to unlimited Liberty for as Rex habet in Regno suo superiores Deum legem Parliamentum as a great Lawyer saith so we are satisfied that both C N. C be limited by these only we desire that our Liberty granted be not clogg'd with Tests destructive of that Liberty by which only the best and most capable of serving their King and Country amongst the Dissenters are Disenabled thereto And tho' as he saith that none blame the Chineses for building a Wall to defend their Frontiers from the Incursions of the Tartars yet we are told by as good an Author as himself that that great Wall doth not keep the Cham of Tartary from invading that rich and plentiful Country insomuch that his successors have been quiet possessors of it ever since 1650. But tho' Walls be good for defence yet the Chinesies were never such fools as to make partition Walls to divide their Kingdom The D. vain gloriously boasting that he had beaten the V. out of his several Arguments pursues him with open mouth to matter of fact And is as followeth The V. had hinted a memorial of the State of the Church of Scotland since the Revolution to vindicate the State and Church from the unjust Calumnys of the Answerer to the Case which Memorial he had from two Scotch Gentlemen particularly acquainted with the affairs of that Nation which the D. will have to be a forgery pretended to be wrought by a friend when it was the V ' s own Act and Deed and his reasons for this forgery are 1. The Title discovers it to be his 2. The Genius of the Person who is not like other Men for setting things in a false light A. The D pretends indeed to an Extraordinary Sagacity in discerning Stiles And yet what the V. asserted in that is firm truth for the Gentleman if needful can be produced and will own that Letter to be theirs and prove every tittle in it to be true so that if there be any Genius's more remarkable for raising and false accusing of the Brethren than others the D. is unhappily match'd with one of those But let 's come to the Merits of the Cause The first thing in the Letter he is offended at is a general reflection cast upon the whole Body of the Scotch Bishops for their declaring their utmost abhorrence of his presens Majesty's descent into England their Unanimous deserting of the convention of States both which he denies to be true for this reason That if they had been guilty of these things it would have occasioned some publick and severe remark to be passed upon them and would have been insisted on as the most plausible if not the greatest reason for extirpating of Episcopacy whereas in the Act for Abolishing Prelacy there is not the least censure pass'd on any of the Bishops c. A. That the Bishops of Scotland did both declare their abhorrence of the Prince of Orange's descent and Unanimously desert the convention of States are such evident truths that nothing but wilfull Ignorance or gross Impudence would make a man deny them because they were not done in a corner but in the face of the Nation now their Address to King James will sufficiently prove the first which take as followeth The Address of the Arch Bishops and Bishops of Scotland to K. James upon the news of the Prince of Orange ' s Undertaking Nov. 10. 1688. Vide Gazette Numb 2398. May it please your Most Sacred Majesty VVE prostrate our selves to pay our most devout thanks and adoration to the Soveraign Majesty of Heaven and Earth for preserving your sacred Life and Person so frequently exposed to the greatest hazards and as often delivered and you miraculously preserved with Glory and Victory in defence of the Rights and honour of Your Majesty's August Brother and these Kingdoms and that by his merciful goodness the ragings of the Sea and madness of unreasonable men have been stilled and oalmed and Your Majesty as the darling of Heaven peaceably seated on the I hrones of your Royal Ancestors whose long