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A93453 A Sober dialogue between a country Friend, a London Friend, and one of G.K.'s Friends concerning the great difference of faith and doctrin betwixt many of the Quakers, especially their principal teachers and him. 1699 (1699) Wing S4408; ESTC R42883 7,080 18

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AN ANSWER To a Late PAMPHLET Called a Sober Dialogue Between a Scotch Presbyterian a London Church-man and a Real Quaker scandalously reflecting on the Church of England As if her Doctrine and COmmon-Prayer did justifie the Antichristian Doctrine of the Real Quaker viz. That the Light Within whither in Heathen or Christian is sufficient to Salvation without any thing else wherein the plain Deism and Anti-Christian Principles of the Real Quaker and his Party and the pretended Church man are plainly detected By a Friend to the Author of the Dialogue called a Sober Dialogue between a Country Friend a London Friend and one of G. K.'s Friends London Printed for Sam. Clark in George-yard in Lombard-street 1698 9. A SOBER DIALOGUE BETWEEN A Country Friend a London Friend and one of G. K's Friends Concerning The great Difference of Faith and Doctrin betwixt many of the Quakers especially their Principal Teachers and him Lond. Friend HOW dost thee do my Friend How doe Friends in your Parts Are you still quiet among your selves and all of one mind Country Friend No we are far from being quiet among our selves Lond. Fr. What is the matter with you Co. Fr. The matter why the very Foundation of Truth is struck at by G. K. his Books fill us with strange apprehensions he tells us and that from plain Scripture that the Light within will not save us without something else Lond. Fr. Well and what say Friends to it Co. Fr. Say why they know not what to say and most of our sober and thinking Friends are at a stand doubting they have been mislead some diligently searching the Scriptures find that we are mistaken for that in Men that reproves for Sin is only the Law written in the Heart there accusing or excusing and withal we find that Christ Jesus saith that he came not to condemn the World but to save it saying that it was Moses or the Law that did condemn Lond. Fr. What are all our Ministers so Blind as not to know the Doctrin of the Law from Christ's Doctrin why the Law can make nothing perfect as pertaining to the Conscience but the bringing in of a better hope sure this hope must be in Christ Jesus and not in that which condemns for Sin for my Friend what simply condemns us does not forgive us but as G. K. says there must be one to forgive our Trespasses as well as a Judge to Condemn us so that it is plain that the Light Within cannot save without something else Co. Fr. Blind I fear they are blind indeed and have led too many of us into the Ditch On my word 't is a horrible mistake to say that what does Reprove can Save us they may as well say that John the Baptist was Christ But prethee what says W. P. to this Lon. Fr. Why he says Truth is the same as ever it was and says Friends keep to your Ancient Testimonies and Truth will be over the heads of all its Opposers Co. Fr. And what says G. W. Lon. Fr. Why G. W. is pevish and does nothing as I hear but revile G. K. and has sent him his Curse Co. Fr. His Curse man and what will that do Lon. Fr. Do why it only sets us further adrift from the Doctrine of Christ which says Bless and Curse nor Co. Fr. Has G. K. ever Curs'd any of them Lon. Fr. No not that ever I heard Co. Fr. Prethee what dost thou think of these things Lon. Fr. I think they do not rightly understand what Truth is Truth as W. P. says never changes but we are always changing for how unlike are we to what we were when first a People I wonder W. P. should say mind your Ancient Testimonies when he well knows that the Ancienter the Testimonies the greater were the Imaginations and Errors witness his Sandy Foundation Shaken I fear our Friends are too like the blind Pharisees which preferr'd their Lamp-light before the Light of the Sun I confess the Light of the Sun is a true unchangeable Light but all Lights must give way when he appears In the midst of this Discourse steps in one of G. K.'s Friends and begins thus FRIENDS I Am glad to hear you Discourse thus sensibly and I beseech you rightly to consider your own Discourse concerning the Light Within being sufficient to Save without any thing else Pray let us not borrow other Peoples Eyes and Legs but see and walk our selves let us go to the very first of the Creation of God which answers so exactly to the Second that it may be called the Looking-glass of the Second Creation or New Creation Pray was not the universal Light the First days Work in the Old Creation So in the New Was not the Sun Moon and Stars the Fourth days Work by which all things revived to such a proportion of Life as to produce Seed in themselves which could never have been brought to perf●ction by the First Light without the Light of the Sun So as to the New Creation There is no Perfection under the Law untill Christ came who was to be Revealed the Fourth day i. e. the Fourth Thousand Year of the World and is that true Son of God by whom we must bring forth Fruit whose Seed is in it self as it holds in the Natural the Nature of him abiding in us for without him we can do nothing Lon. Fr. Prethee Friend what is the benefit then of the Light in every Man or the First days Work as thou call'st it G. K.'s Fr. You may as well ask me what benefit it is for the Master-builder to lay the Foundation first of his Building before he finisheth it or if he should go on no further whether Men would not say this Man hath laid a good Foundation the Law or Light in every Man being a good Foundation of Morality but why goes he not on to finish it Either he understands not or is not able this is what Men usually say But my Friends The great Builder and Creator did finish the first Work as a Draught of the Second and be you assured that the New Testament Creation as far exceeds that Old as the Fourth days Work did exceed the First Lon. Fr. What then I perceive thou thinkest that Friends Dispensation is only the First days Work G. K.'s Fr. Why verily as to Friends I cannot give a satisfactory judgment concerning them for I find no where in all the holy Scripture such a People set down there for the People of God but several hints to the contrary I must needs say they have ill marks but I hope it may be attributed to the Ignorance of most of them We know that in the last times some will have strange Pretensions and Heresies even denying the Lord that bought them with his most precious Blood and denying the Resurrection of that holy Body with its Ascension into Heaven and that that very Body is now in Heaven as a Wall of Salvation between us and