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A14368
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A stronge battery against the idolatrous inuocation of the dead saintes, and against the hauyng or setting up of images in the house of prayer, or in any other place where there is any paril of idolatrye, made dialoguewise by Iohn Veron
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Véron, John, d. 1563.
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STC 24686; ESTC S102670
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