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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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for its fruit it was Cain that despaired Achitophel and Iudas that went and hanged themselves Is that a good Tree that brings forth wrath strife sedicion heresie cursings and such like Is that a good Tree that brings forth fruits of disobedience and slighting of those whom God hath commanded us to honour Is that a good Tree that hath for his fruits a casting by of the Ordinances of God and a slighting of and reviling and reproaching the servants of God Is that a good Tree that hath apparant fruit on it of justifying themselves and condemning all that are not of their minde how precious soever in the eys of God Is that a good Tree whose fruit is brought forth in Satans dress very like him for if they once believe your opinions the thing they look for is to tremble Iames 2. 19. A Reply to the Priests Answer Here thou desirest to know whether a good Tree brings forth desperation as Iudas here thou accusest Christ for Iudas denyed Christ when he did despair and Christ found him out so he doth thee and all who deny the good Tree Christ findes out now and all who do despair deny the good ●ree as thou dost who accusest Christ now as they did then and Cain when he slew his brother Abel then he despaired when he slew the righteous seed Gen. 4. 5. and so are all you now in the generacion of Cain and God doth no more accept your Sacrifice than he did Cains who live in envy and you are in the same desperacion who slay the righteous as dayly may appear and in answer to this Query in that evil Tree thou art and bringst forth wrath and strife for in this very Answer thou hast shewed it and shewed forth Cain and malice and false accusacions and ignorance and in thy former Query thou canst not witness the overcoming of sin and is not sin of the Devil and is not sin the cause of despair and is this the good Tree and Christ sayth Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect Matth. 5. 48. and here thou shewest openly that thou art that evil Tree which cannot bring forth good fruit for he sayth An evil Tree cannot bring forth good fruit nor a good Tree bring forth evil fruit and this I witness fulfilled therefore I see thee and discover thee to be that fruitless Tree which art cursed and for the fier and again thou pleadest for the honor of man Jesus Christ sayth How can ye believe that receive honor one of another John 5. 44. And thou shewest thy self to be that evil Tree that casteth the Ordinances of Christ behinde thy back and shewest thy self to be the Reviler and the Reproacher of the servants of God for doth not Christ say They are called of men Master and have the chiefest places in the Assemblies Matth. ●3 and art not thou there and he bids his Ministers not to be as they were and here thou shewest thy self to disobey the commands of Christ and to be the evil Tree because we deal plainly with thee this thou callest reviling and reproaching we speak the words that Christ himself spoke which testifie against thee who livest in thy filthiness and with all thy might and main wouldst hold it up against Christ and his servants and wouldst pervert his words but the Lamb hath got the victory prayses prayses be to the Lord God Almighty for ever Rev. 17. 14. Thou askest if this be the good Tree that justifies it self thou hypocrite can a good Tree condemn it self here thou wouldst not own it to be a righteous Tree to bring forth good fruit wouldst thou make a good Tree to accuse it self here thou blasphemest and accusest Christ and he that doth witness this good Tree doth witness against all who are not of the same minde for all who are this good Tree are of one minde and of one soul and of one heart and here thou hast showd forth thy ignorance and thou art a false accuser that a good Tree can condemn that which is precious in the eys of God here thou art an accuser and an enemy of righteousness and knowest not what thou speakest did ever Christ condemn that which was precious in the eys of God but nourished and cherished it but such a false hypocrite as thou art he condemns and cryes wo against thee who art got up into the chiefest place of the Assemblyes standst praying in the Synagogues devouring widows houses and painting thy self with other mens words and so Serpent l●ke and here thou art a Serpent and the evil Tree blaspheming against Christ which is the good Tree here thou shewest thy self to stand in the same place which Christ cryed wo against which called him a Devil as thou dost now where he is made manifest thou believest there is a God and here thou shewest thou art not come to the saith of Devils for the Devils believe and tremble Iames 2. 19. and they condemn thee and thy faith and the power of God which makes to tremble thou knowest not as the Apostle when he came among the Corinthians he was with them in much trembling 1 Cor. 2. 3. and thou mightst say the Apostle was in the Devils dress when he trembled for the same po●er of God that made him to tremble the same power of God we witness now which makes us to tremble and here thou hast openly shewed thy self that thou dost not know the Scriptures but makest thy self manifest to be in the Devils dress and a blasphemer And as touching opinions they are thy own for opinions we do deny and here thou hast shewed that the power of God thou knowest not nor never heardst his voyce whose voyce shakes the earth Psalm 46. 6. and shewest that thy wisdom is of the earth and earthly and all thy Gospel notions to be earthly and all thy knowledg to be earthly and all thy manifestacions and gifts as thou calst them to be earthly for thou denyest the power of God which shakes the earth Psal 2. 18. and so hast here shewed thy self to be in the natural state and in the first birth and as a fool hast uttered forth thy folly shewing thy minde to be full of iniquity and being the Tree which beareth no fruit which is cursed Hebr. 6. 8. Query 12. Whether a man shall grow up to that condicion under your Ministry that he shall need none to teach him but the Lord yea or no Priests Answer Truly I do believe that God hath given so far many of his servants to grow up amongst us as they see God alone the onely Teacher of himself in all that is discovered by his servants they know him to be the worker of all their works in them that Christ is all and in all the Alpha and Omega the teacher of his Fathers minde to us and yet notwithstanding I believe few are grown up to that desperate folly and madness as when God hath afforded means of discovering his
thou hast shewed forth thy ignorance not to discern the Lords Body and to be of them that would make a division in the Body that is spoken of in the Scripture for the Body of Christ is but one as it is written being many members yet one Body 1 Cor. 12. 20. and Christ is the Head and Members of this Body and liveth in it I in thee and thou in me that they may be one as thou Father art in me and I in thee Iohn 27. he that can receive it let him but thou art he who doth not discern the Lords Body therefore thou eatest and drinkest damnacion to thy self 1 Cor. 11. 29. and to thee it is a mystery and damnacion thou must know and with that Eye thou shalt never see it for it is evill as Herods was who sought after the Child to worship him but would have slain him Matth. 2. 13. he that raiseth the Body he is the judg of the world in flames of fier and in flaming fier and in vengeance shalt thou know and in judgment 2 Thes 1. 7. 8. who art without in the world querying about his body who is the Resurrection John 11. 25. and in this Query thou hast shewed forth thy dark mind which is full of Confusion and thy self to be ignorant of the Body of Christ and with thy fleshly understanding which is for destrukcion thou wouldst know it and this minde which hath asked this Question but the Righteousness of Faith speaks on this wise not to say to fetch Christ from above or descnd into the deep that is to bring up Christ again from the dead But what sayth it the word is nigh thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart that is the word of Faith which wee preach Rom. 10. 6. 7. 8. wherein thou hast showed thy self that gavest forth these Queries that you never heard this word of Faith preached to you and he is the Head and the Saints are the Body Eph. 4. 15. and in him we live who sit with Christ in heavenly places Eph. 2. 6. and his body is but one and he lives in it for ever whom the Heavens must receive untill the time of Restitucion of all things Acts 3. 21. but you dark Sots this is a mystery to you as Christ is who is the Head of the Body and this Body of Christ which thou desirest to know thou shalt never know nor see for thou art for judgment and condemnacion ordained of Old Iude 13. and in darkness thou livest who art dead in Sins and Trespasses Eph. 2. 1. and who art querying after Christ whether he be a particular Person showing forth the same minde that was in the Iewes who knew not Christ but queried whether he was the Carpenters Son or no Math. 13. 55. who was not born by the will of man and is born now but not by the will of man him you know not nor cannot se Iohn 1 13. nor believe where he is made manifest and he is but one in all his Saints who is their Head Rom. 7 4. and their Life who comes into the World from above and redeemes and makes free from Sin and the Law with the Body of Christ he that hath an Eare may hear to us it is plainness who are in the Gate and Fold but to you it is a mystery who live in the mystery a● Iniquity who are without the Gate and Christ is the Resurrection and the Judg Iohn 11. 25. that shalt thou finde when he comes upon thee to render vengance in flames of fier Iohn 5 22. who art a Childe of Disobedience 2 Query With what Bodies shall the Saints arise with and dwell and live in for ever shall there be given to every particular Saint a particular Body Answ Whereas thou wouldst know with what Body the Saints shall arise In that Body which Christ doth live in for he is the Saviour of the Body he is the Head of the Body he is the Resurrection and the Life of the Body and his Body is but one So wee are many members yet one Body Cor. 12. 20. and here thou hast showed thou dost not discern the Lords Body but art under the Damnacion Thou Fool whereas thou wouldst know whether there shall be given to every particular Saint a particular Body and with what Bodies they shall arise as they said in the Corinthians with what Bodies shall they come and how should the dead be raysed Paul makes answer Thou fool that which thou sowest is not quickened except it die and that which thou sowest thou sowest not that Body that shall be but bare grain it may chance of Whear or of some other grain but God giveth it a Body as it hath pleased him and to every seed his own Body All flesh is not the same flesh but there is one kind of flesh of Men another flesh of Beasts another of Fishes and another of Birds there are also Celestiall Bodyes and Bodies Terrestiall but the glory of the Celestial is one and the glory of the Terrestiall is another There is one glory of the Sun another glory of the Moon and another glory of the Stars for one Star differeth from another Star in glory So also is it in the Resurrection of the dead if thou hast an Eare thou mayst hear but thou Fool art never the wiser here but thou art a Conjurer and livest in Conjuracion Ier. 27. 9. Zach. 10. 2. 3 Query With what Bodies shall the wicked arise with natural or spirituall Answ With thy corrupt naturall spirituall wickedness to Condemnacion with that Body doth the wicked arise that thou livest in thou Enimy of God shalt finde it and the Eye in thee shall see destruction and eternall Condemnacion who queriest with what Bodies the wicked shall arise thou art risen high in thy spirituall wickedness Ephes 6. 12. who livest in the corrupt nature and high art thou risen in it whose Judgment is appearing and Judg stands at the door and lingers not whose damnacion slumbers not 2 Pet. ● 3. If thou hast an Eare thou mayst hear and there read thy Porcion and thy Answer to the Query 4 Query Whether is there or shall there be a Locall Place of Heaven and Hell to be inhabited and dwelt in for the Saints to enjoy and the Wicked to suffer in with their Bodyes And how shall they be tormented with materiall Fier and Brimston or how And if every Saint and Devil have a particular Body must there not be a particular Locall Place Can Bodies be no where Must they not rest and stand upon some place the Saints singing Hallelujah to the Highest for evermore Answ In thy Query thou hast uttered forth thy Confusion who hast joyned Heaven and Hell together and whereas thou wouldst know whether there is or there shall be a Locall Place of Heaven and Hell here thou shewest forth thy blindness in that thou knowest neither Heaven nor Hell and in the Locall Place as thou calst