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A03253 A true discourse of the two infamous upstart prophets, Richard Farnham weaver of White-Chappell, and Iohn Bull weaver of Saint Butolphs Algate, now prisoners, the one in Newgate, and the other in Bridewell with their examinations and opinions taken from their owne mouthes April 16. anno 1636. As also of Margaret Tennis now prisoner in Old Bridewell, with the hereticall opinions held by her, at the same time examined. Written by T.H.; True discourse of the two infamous upstart prophets, Richard Farnham weaver of White-Chappell, and John Bull weaver of Saint Butolphs Algate, now prisoners, the one in Newgate, and the other in Bridewell. Heywood, Thomas, d. 1641. 1636 (1636) STC 13369; ESTC S104076 8,086 48

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And now we have 2 Prophesying Weavers upon whose stupidity or madnesse this present discourse isframed in durance whose ridiculous absurdities I shall presently acquaint you with Onely this I faine would know were there no Ecclesiasticall government what rubricke should stand or how or after what manner would they have God served One sect beleeves wee have a Saviour but counts it superstition to have his name reverenc't and bow'd unto Some approove of no Sacraments at all others allow of Sacraments but hold that to kneele before the Table or Altar when the Blessed Supper of the Lord is to be received is meerely Idolatrous Notwithstanding the Church with godly and mature consideration hath injoyned it Some cavell at the manner of the standing of the Table Others would sit at the Lords board with their backes toward the Wall as they eate in their houses or drinke in the Tavernes yea and no doubt with their heads covered too One fect challengeth the liberty of all sensuality and pleasure Others will allow no commendable exercises or lawfull recreations But if you observe them generally and withall consider them judicially it will easily appeare that as they altogether impugne the Churches authority so cunningly and cautelously they would trench upon the high Supremacy Moreover some are not more piously devoted to repaire Churches and Temples than others are divelishly minded to see them ruind and demolisht Some will heare a Sermon but they cannot endure to be present at Common Prayer Others could be content to heare divine Service but abhorre it if it be said in a Popish Surplesse Nay there are divers who make a conscience to heare sermons yet they will heare but such and such a man as pleaseth their owne fancies and affections But if any of these Predicants shall affect novelty or singularity to introduce any innovating points of Doctrine deviating from the true and Orthodoxe way of the mother Church he shall be sure to bee most highly applauded and the place wherein he lectureth or preacheth to be much thronged And if he shal stand out against Conformity in Religion and for that cause be questioned and therefore silenc't then there are private collections gifts presents and contributions and all these to maintaine him in his perverse obstinacies Againe one loves the Bible but it must be bound without the Apocrypha for that they hold as an abhomination Insomuch that many from Schisme grow unto Atheisme and in devising new and unheard of waies how to worship God grow into that stupidity to acknowledge no God at all and from hearts of flesh they are growne to have hearts of Iron and Adamant As for those that hate Churches and love to have their conventieles in private houses or in VVoods and Groves to whom may I better compare them than to the Idolatrous Iewes who leaving the glorious Temple of King Solomon sacrificed to Baal-peo● to Moloch and divers others of the Idols of the Gentiles in Groves and the high places But amongst all these diversities of opinions if every man having no super-eminent power over him to curbe his presumed and refractory liberty should follow his owne private humour what manner of Church or Common-wealth should wee have amongst us VVould not all grow into confusion and disorder and returne into that stupidity of ignorance which swayed in the VVorld before the true Religion was first propagated and after received at the last it must necessarily come to mutiny if not massacre for as there is no greater malice or more invented hatred prosecuted then when familiar friends fall at oddes or naturall brothers grow into dissention so there can no greater hatred or inveterate malice arise then when Christian brethren of a reformed Church having distanced themselves from all Papall superstitions shall inconsiderately and indiscreetly I may rather say foolishly and madly fall into these sottish and ridiculous Chimeraes to betray weaknesse in themselves and beget distraction in others being indeede nothing else than meere illusions of the Divell the former Ages having beene troubled with the like as no question the future shall be But I come now to the persons themselves the one Richard Farnham a Weaver in White-Chappell the other Iohn Bull a Weaver late dwelling in the Parish of St. Butolphs Algate The Examination of Richard Farnham Weaver taken April the 16. 1636. THe said examinate saith and constantly affirmeth that hee hath the very spirit of God which revealeth unto him all secrets whatsoever and that he is moreover Anointed and can predict and foretell whatsoever is to come Hee saith also that there shall be a great pestilence and a Famine and that he shall see them and be delivered from them as having no power to hurt him He likewise affirmeth that he must first be slaine and after that rise againe and after that be made King of that very Ierusalem in which King David and King Salomon once reigned He saith also that he himselfe is one of those two witnesses spoken of in the Revelation the 11 Chapter beginning at the third Verse and that his brother Bull is another also and shall be a Priest at the same time when he is made a King Now the words of the Text on which they ground these idle fancies are these But I will give power unto my two witnesses and they shall prophesie one thousand two hundred and threescore dayes cloathed in sackecloth These are the two Olive-trees and two Candlesticks standing before the God of the earth And if any man will hurt them fire proceedeth out of their mouths and devoureth their enemies for if any man would hurt them thus must he be killed These have power to shut Heaven that it raine not in the dayes of their Prophesying and have power over waters to turne them into blood and to Smile the earth with all manner of plagues as often as they will And when they have finished their Testimony the beast that commeth out of the bottomlesse pit shall make warre against them and shall overcome them and kill them And their corpses shall lie in the streets of the great City c. The Examination of John Bull Weaver taken at the same time HEE besotted with the like Lunacy constantly affirmeth also that he is a Prophet and one of these two witnesses before spoken of in all things agreeing with his brother Farnham and that hee shall also be slaine at Hierusalem where Christ suffered and shall rise againe and after that his resurrection he shall reigne there as a Priest And these two persist in their obstinacies and are at this time prisoners the one in New-gate the other in Bridewell now the blind and besotted ignorance of these poore and sencelesse Mechanicks I leave to the consideration of any indifferent Reader But you have not yet heard all for such is the presumption of Farnham and the inflexible confidence in his owne innocency that to any reverent Divine