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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A80821	Innocency vindicated: in answer to a pamphlet entituled A few words to Nath. Coleman's epistle, &c. ... Published for clearing the truth, not out of love to, or desire of contention.	Crisp, Thomas, 17th cent.	1683 (1683)	Wing C6951A; ESTC R174309	19,292	16

come and buy of me They add in pag. 8. Which went before old Israel and in pag. 12. leave out these words of N. C. Which Shines in all in your Hearts and Consciences c. For by these words it is evident N. C. could not mean as they say that visible Cloud and Fire visible to the outward eye but the invisible to the carnal Eye that they look with Light or Spirit of Christ which as N. C. truly says shines in all their Hearts and Consciences And for all these Inquisitors do so often call it new Doctrine and for Scripture yet they have not by Scripture proved it new or unsound for in Scripture Christ is termed a Door a Vine c. which are but Metaphors and not that he is strictly such So is N. C's meaning as is evident from his following words by them left out for by Cloud by Day and Pillar by Night is meant only the Certainty or Visibility of this Dispensation of Christs Light and not that Dispensation or appearance that was visible to old Israel in the Winderness For although that Dispensation had differing appearances as a Cloud Fire yet it is not to be taken as two different things but one and the same that appeared by day and night And if you had lived in those days when the Apostle said of the Rock that followed Israel that it was Christ surely you would have termed it New and Vnsound Doctrine and called for plain Scripture to prove it for the Light may as properly be termed The Pillar of Fire or Cloud that shines in all his Peoples Hearts as the Rock was Christ Pag. 8. Again you pervert N. C. his words in pag. 6. he speaks of some that act and not from the Guidance of Gods Spirit he advises them to take heed that they provoke not the Lord and they perished from the Knowledge of him in their own particulars for says he for want of that i. e. the knowledge of him in their own particulars the People perished in all Generations But you cite not his words truly but forge a Sentence of your own saying to N. C. Thou speaking of the Knowledge of God sayest say you for want of that the People perish But you mention not N. C's words which shew what Knowledge he means Viz. The Knowledge of God in their own particulars but you perversly say This Complaint was made by the Lord through his Prophets but it was when the Priests Lips should keep the Peoples Knowledge But you care not to admit it to be the State of People now for it seems not your Interest that People should know the Lord in their own particulars but G. F. and you of the Second-days Meeting which is the Knowledge N. C. saith they perish for want of although you Forger-like leave those words out and pervert his meaning as if he meant natural and common Knowledge as Men as is evident by your following words saying What thinkest thou if those Men perish will it be for want of Knowledge or for want of Obedience Hereby insinua●ing as if N. C. preferred Knowledge before Obedience But know you new Lords that in Scripture sence Disobedience is taken for Ignorance or not knowing as in that Prophet cited by you it is said Israel followed her Lovers and forgot me And again Ephraim Provoked him with High Places therefore shall his Blood be poured upon him Also it is said Samaria shall be Desolate for she hath rebelled against the Lord. By these it is evident that People were punisht for Disobedience and Rebellion and not for want of knowing their Duty for they could not properly be said to have forgot God unless they had had the Knowledge of God and you abuse the Scripture to infer as if those People in Hosea's Days were so ignorant for he said My God will cast them away because they did not obey him And for all that you make so much difference between then and now as if their Knowledge was to come from the Priests yet Moses directed them to the same Word of Faith as the Apostles preacht and not to the Priests Lips without saying The Word is nigh in the Heart and Mouth c. Also the Apostle says of the Gentiles Romans first Because when they knew God they glorifyed him not as God wherefore God gave them up to their Hearts Lusts Whereby 't is evident that not only the Jews but the Gentiles also perisht for want of Obedience and not for want of Knowledge and the Caution as worded by N. C. is very proper for this Generation although you put it off to past Ages for Christ said It was Eternal Life to know God and Jesus Christ whom he had sent And it is not for want of this i. e. eternal Life that the People perish now but in your esteem the people perish for want of obeying your Laws of Womens-Meetings apart from Men and they to have power to examine Men twice before they marry or else not to Suffer or Permit say you Marriages and for not conforming to such your new invented Laws you have the Impudence to defame and unchristian People for should the Knowledge of the Lord in their own particulars be increased then you G. W. c. Shrine-Makers your Craft by which you have gotten much Gain will be in danger In your Postscript pag. 11. You cite N. C's words from his 2d page Viz. The Kingdom of God comes not in Outward Observations but is felt within therefore all gather in from that which would draw out the Mind from God to observe days c. But as you are inwardly drawn by the Truth in your own particulars Then in your 12th page you say to N. C. May the People of God have their Mind by the Truth in their own particulars inwardly drawn from God c. And you go on and say What RANTING Doctrine is herse asserted that the Trtuh may draw Peoples Minds off from God c. You have saved me the proving your Doctrine Babylonish and Ranting for you have confessed it but I shall prove this Doctrine not N. C's but yours for he says not so nor is it deducible from his words for his words be sound he warns Friends from THAT which would draw the Mind from God he doth not say nor mean the THAT which would draw the Mind from God is the Truth for that cannot be but N. C's words do imply that there is such a Principle or Spirit which he terms THAT even that of yours which leads you thus to bely him and pervert his words and falsly accuse your Brethren and would compell them to fall down and worship your great Idol and you do by your practice teach that unless People will be circumcised with G. F's Circumcision and keep his and your Laws they cannot be saved this is the THAT which N. C. warns from which you call the Spirit of God and Truth and which drew out their Minds to that erronious

gives the final Determination of Matters of Religion and that only in the Conscience of every Christian to himself This was and is sound Protestancy But perhaps that may not be for your Advancement now to appear such but rather on the contrary Believe as the Church believes that is more likely to advance G. W. to G. F's Place of Chief or Arch-bishop of all your Party and then why may not your Father allow the Order of St. George as well as of St. Francis c. You cannot assume a more seeming harmless Title than your Brethren the Jesuits have Viz. The Order of Jesus Pag. 13. They say to N. C. Thou warns Gods People not to joyn to any Form And then they perversly paraphrase on this their Forgery and say Though the Apostle exhorted to turn from those that had the Form of Godliness and not the Power yet say you I never read that he exhorted not to joyn to any Form Hereby rendring N. C's words in general against any Forms without exception when as N. C's words have in the same Sentence an Exception Viz. But as you are led by the Pillar of Cloud by Day and Fire by Night which shines in all your Hearts says N. C. Now these 24 words they leave out and take no notice of in this Forgery to make him appear against any or all Form when as it is evident by the following words N. C. admits that they may be led into some Forms by that Light which shines in their Hearts c. which he there metaphorically terms a Pillar of Fire or Cloud which terms be not strictly but figuratively used there as G. W. says of the Titles of their Books and I cannot express the greatness of their Envy and Falseness in this for in their using this one sentence of N. C. pag. 4. they 1st in their 8th page add in words and then here in the 12th page leave out words to pervert N. C's words and render him as preaching another Ministration than Christ and also to preach up a Visible Cloud to the Outward Eye and that Cloud and Pillar which appeared to Old Israel and now also for fear that their Wickedness should be manifest in these absurd Forgeries on N. C. they have another Forgery from the same Sentence that N. C. counsels God's People against any i. e. all Forms All which be their own Forgeries and not N. C's words nor sence for by this their way of dealing one may undertake to prove or disprove what they please nay one may charge Christ himself with saying that which was not true for he said Those whom thou hast given me none is lost but the Son of Perdition Now if one should cite only those first words Viz. Of those which thou hast given me none is lost and leave out these latter words Viz. but the Son of Perdition as they do by N. C. then the sence is quite altered and those words a general affirmation that none was lost when as the Son of Perdition was lost Thus wicked Atheist-like do these People abuse and forge false Sentences and render them N. C's and then for a further blind to their Wickedness in pag. 13. they bring in N. C's words But as you are led by the Pillar c. And then query in pag. 13. May they by this Pillar be drawn from the Guidance of God's Spirit within them c. And again in the same 13th page you again set up your Inquisition Office and say to N. C. Dost thou believe that this Pillar will lead from the Spirit of God within c. I say there is no ground from N. C's words for this Query for he never said they may but as I have said before by Pillar he means Spirit and that they be but one although differing Appellations as many more are given in Scripture to God as Fire Love c. yet but one and as I said those terms of Pillar of Fire and Cloud be but figuratively and not strictly and N. C. means but one and not two distinct Principles but the Pillar the Spirit and the Spirit the Pillar and that cannot draw from its self for God is not devided And had N. C. expressed that Pillar and Cloud that appeared to Old Israel which you seem by your Query to say was visible to the Outward Eye pag. 8. yet it is absurd if not Blasphemy to suppose that could or would lead from God but N. C's words of Exception which follow viz. but c. do as I aforesaid manifest his Christian Charity in that he doth not condemn or advise against all Forms in general but allow that some may be led into some Outward Observations by the Pillar or Spirit and this you could not but know If You had quite deserted Christianity had not you also abandoned Morality and for that you seem in your 13th page to blame N. C. saying to him Thou seems to make the Pillar of Fire and the Spirit two differing things But this also is proved false for N. C. means but one by those two as is aforesaid but you seem to make them two differing things in your 8th page saying Doth not God by his Light and not by that Pillar Old Israel followed shine into Mens Hearts c. Also again in the 12th page you blame N. C. for preaching up the Pillar c. to lead out of Transgression which say you is the Work of Christ in this Gospel day By these words giving cause to think that you do not believe it was Christ's Work in former days to lead out of Transgression but your perverse Spirit is here manifest in that you seem to blame N. C. for what you do your selves Viz. seem to make the Spirit and Pillar two differing things Hereby you bring your selves under that Judgment Viz. condemning another and do the same thing And although you so despise N. C. and his good Counsel for supposing any whom he terms Gods People to be in a State that hath any Night as is evident from your Saying in page 13. Why dost thou direct the Sons of Zion to follow the Pillar of Fire by Night c. And then you say Paul said You are all Children of the Light you are not of the Night Yet among you are evil Works which are of the Night and therefore you are not yet in that Jerusalem you speak of where you say There is no Night Pag. 14. You say The Lord grant that they i. e. his People may know Jesus to put them forth of all that is contrary to his Mind Hereby you seem to admit they may be in that which is contrary to his Mind the which in your 8th page you seem to condemn N.C. for as strange Doctrine because he exhorts as you say The Children of God to believe in the Light c. and then you say Are the Children of God still in Vnbelief c. And yet now in your 14th page you seem to admit they

Parable of Dives and Lazarus Luk. 16.26 Between us and you says Abraham there is a great Gulf fixed that those that would pass from hence to you cannot neither can they pass from you to us that would come from thence i. e. Hell torments This is plain Scripture and proves N. C's Doctrine not Vnsound as you falsly say but proves you ignorant of the Scriptures and Power of God But your Cavil seems to lye against his words for ever by your putting them in a big and distinct Letter which words for ever you pervert as if he thereby did leave such as disobey the Truth as you say no way for Restoration although they obtain as you say that Faith which he i. e. God is the Author of That this is you meaning thus to represent him is evident by your serpentine way of querying which although you are too wicked yet you dare not positively affirm but by insinuating it by Queries by which your Equivocating is evident for in common acceptation such manner of querying do imply the matter queried undeniably true also it is further evident that your design is to render N. C. so uncharitable or ignorant that if any as you say p. 6 7. should be prevailed upon for want of watching to disobey the Truth that there is no way for their Restoration if they obtain that Faith God is Author of I say it is evident it is your design to render N. C. thus uncharitable because you say What no Place of Repentance Or else you render your selves to believe Hell a Place for Repentance and do not believe everlasting torment to them that disobey the Truth And indeed your unchristian Practices considered you give cause to fear you are too much tinctured with such Atheistical Principles But you wicked ones could you not read in the same 3d. page N. C. says of God That he desires not the Death of a Sinner but rather desires all should repent and live By these Words it is evident that N. C. believed a way for Restoration of them that disobey the Truth and was not so uncharitable as you represent him and never meant nor said otherwise although you have wickedly endeavoured to render him as uncharitable as your selves and have by abusing him drawn out your own Picture Also your Envy or Pervertion is further evident in this N. C. speaks of those that disobey the Truth now those that repent and obtain that Faith which God is Author of are not in Truths nor N. C's esteem disobedient Ones therefore are not the Persons he mentions Also N. C. speaking of God says He is able to cast into Hell Where the Fire never goeth out And it is evident N. C's word WHERE refers to the place Hell or everlasting torment and you would insinuate that he means upon their Minds FOR EVER while in this Life nay although they obtain that Faith God is Author of Now N. C's Doctrine is by Scriptures proved sound and you false Accusers and Perverters and indeed 't is no wonder J. F. says pag. 7. N. C's Epistle reaches not Gods Witness in his Conscience I say how should it for it was not directed to such as you who manifest your selves to have made Shipwrack of Faith and good Conscience but know the Fault is not in his Epistle but in your evil defiled Consciences for such proud and envious Pharisees as you have always resisted the Truth ever since your Father Cain through his Seed to your Master G. F. and all of his Spirit although you call it the Spirit of God as your Mother Babilon ever did deck and call her self the Bride the Lambs Wife but he who said what concord hath Christ and Belial Was never so unequally yoked as himself to be loving long-suffering humble c. and his Bride envious proud lying and not to suffer c. as you be No surely Babel for all your golden Cup yet you are full of these aforementioned and many more Abominations although you are suffered yet to go on to fulfil the measure of your Wickedness in continuing the pervertion of N. C's sound words saying in their page 8. to N. C. Let us have Scripture to prove that that Pillar of Cloud by day and that Pillar of Fire by night which went before old Israel shines in all Gods Peoples Hearts and Consciences Reader observe how variously they render N. C. in these two pages Viz. 8. and 12. of their book both from his 4th page Observe that in this above from their 8th page they are manifest Forgers for they add into N. C's Sentence about the middle of it these words Viz. Which went before old Israel and change his word The into That and that they do intend to deceive the Reader abuse N. C. They mention not from what page of N. C. they take those words also that they intend this above forged Sentence as his is evident by their so peremptory calling for Scripture to prove it for why should any make a Sentence and call to their Opponent to prove it I say this shews they designed their own Forgery should be taken for N. C. his Doctrine And in the 12th page you cite the same Passage from N. C's 4th page thus say you to N. C. God saist thou hath visited that none may be drawn out from the guidance of Gods Spirit to joyn to any Form but as you are lead by the Pillar of the Cloud by day and Fire by night which guides the Footsteps c. Now Reader observe that as on their 8th page they add to N. C's Sentence eight words in the middle of it so here in the 12th page they leave out of the middle of his Sentence these eight words Viz. Which shines in all the Hearts and Consciences which is wicked Atheist-like by their own Judgment and the more wicked in them here because by leaving out those words they render N. C. as directing to some other Dispensation than Christs as is evident by these next adjoyning words pag. 12. they say Is not this Man become a Fool thus to preach up the Pillar of Cloud c. to lead out of Transgression which say they is the Work of Christ c. Thus the Reader may see the wickedness of the Spirit that acts them which they blasphemously term the Spirit of God for in both their Observations on these words of N.C. in their 8th and 12th pages in the 8th they add to and in the 12th leave out his words and all to pervert the truth and perswade People that N. C. preaches up some other Dispensation than Christs as afore cited from the 12th page even as they say in page 8. A visible Cloud and Pillar to the Outward Eye when as N. C. only uses the terms of Cloud and Fire as Metaphor and doth not strictly mean as they say a Cloud of Fire visible to the Outward eye and to make these their Pervertions currant Gold such as they in pag. 3. say