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A06347	An excellent and plaine discourse of the church, whereby the godlie may knowe and discerne the true Church, from the Romish Church, and all other false and counterfet churches, as well for matters of doctrine, as discipline, &c. Written in Frenche by M. Bartrand de Loque, a godlie minister of Dolphenine. And faithfully translated into English, by M.T.W. Seene and allowed; Traité de l'eglise. English	Loque, Bertrand de.; T. W. (Thomas Wilcox), 1549?-1608.	1582 (1582)	STC 16813; ESTC S103377	172,896	422

therfore in these places Mat. 18. Luk. 10. But the lawes commandements of the church are the churches voice wherefore it followeth that we must obey the lawes cōmandemēts of the church I aunswere as aboue is aunswered that wee must obeye the voyce of the Church when it commeth out of Moyses chaire and seate that is to say when her commaundementes shal be taken and set from the word of God and when also the question shall bee of thinges indifferent which shee shall ordeine and establish to keepe good order to serue for edification and the maintenance and vpholding of the discipline For in the things which are contrarie to Gods worde and in those also which of them selues are indifferent but yet become and made euill thorowe superstition to wit because that in them they would place the seruice of God and that they would think by them to deserue Gods grace and the forgiuenes of sinnes in these thinges I say we ought not at any hand to obey Acts. 4.19 5.29 but in such commaundementes of the Church wee ought to say that it is better to obey God then men The fift reason Ester 9.26 27 As in Ester it was ordeined that besides the feastes commaunded in the lawe they should celebrate euerie yeare the feast of lottes which was called Purim 1. Macha 4.59 and in the historie of the Machabees the feast of the dedication called in Greeke by Saint Iohn Iohn 10.22 Encaenia So the Christian church may well at this day ordeine feastes as shall seeme vnto her to be expedient and profitable for the glorie of God and the edification of the people as it hath in time heretofore ordeined the feastes and holie dayes of saint Peter of saint Anthonie of saint Marcellus of saint Margaret and all the rest I answere that there is no likenesse at all betweene the feastes of Purim or lots and of the dedication and these of saint Peter saint Anthonie and such others I deny not but that those two first were in former time established by the church besides the feastes ordeined in the lawe but let vs marke I pray you howe and to what ende Certeinly this was for the glorie of God to bring to their remembrance his great benefites towardes his church that they also might giue him thanks therfore For in Ester it is saide that the feast of Purim or lottes was ordeined by the church for remembraunce of this that the people was deliuered from the cursed conspiracie of Haman And Iudas Machabeus with the consent of the whole church ordeined the feast of the dedication otherwise called Encaenia in remembraunce of the deliueraunce of the people and of the repairing and hallowing againe as it were of the Temple which had beene polluted by Antiochus And wee deny not but that Synodes may ordein certain dayes and solemnely keepe them to the end that the people may cease from their own workes to fast to pray vnto God and to yeeld him thankes according as things shall fall out occasion be ministred so that it be don without superstition idolatrie or euill example But how can we by the examples of the two feastes aforesaide approue or allowe the feastes of the Papacie or Popedome First they were but two onely But in the Popedom there is an infinit number For what measure did they euer keepe in the number thereof Secondly the two aboue spoken of were instituted to the name of God and at no hande to the name of any dead Saints But these are ordeined to the name of creatures and not to the name of God as we heare they cal them the feastes of S. Anthony of S. Frauncis of Saint Vincent of Saint Sebastian of Saint Agathon of the virgine Mary and so of others Thirdly those had their foundation and beginning for the seruice of God and alwayes serued to edification for they were established and appointed as hath beene said to thank God to giue him praise for the benefits which hee had bestowed vpon his Church These had no foundation or beginning but in superstition and idolatrie serue to no other purpose or matter either more or lesse than the feastes and holie dayes of the Paganes and Ethnickes For wherfore is it that the Papistes giue the names of Saintes to their feastiuall dayes but because they meane to sanctifie the saide feastes in the honour of those Saintes as they call them whose name they beare And in so doing do they not set vp the Saintes in Gods place because they serue giue that honour vnto thē which apperteineth to him alone as in olde time the Paganes did in the celebration of their feastes and diuine seruices These are the principall reasons vpon which the Romishe Catholikes grounde them selues thereby to proue that it belongeth to the Church to make lawes to tye mens consciences withall Nowe it remaineth that wee shewe and set downe our reasons to proue the contrarie The first is this It is written in Isaiah Isaiah 33.22 The Lord is our Iudge the Lord is our lawe giuer the Lord is our King Iam. 4. 12. And in Saint Iames. There is one lawe giuer which is able to saue and destroy whereby it is verie clearely seene that it belongeth to God alone to make Ecclesiasticall lawes apperteining to his seruice The second reason There is none but God alone that can institute and ordeine a lawfull seruice which may be agreeable to himselfe and acceptable in his sight for this cause he him selfe saieth Deut. 12.8.32 Yee shall not doe after all these thinges that yee doe heere this day that is euery man whatsoeuer seemeth good in his owne eyes but whatsoeuer I commaund you take heed yee do it thou shalt put nothing thereto nor take ought therefrom And in Ieremiah Ier. 7.22 23. I spake not saieth he vnto your fathers nor commaunded them whē I brought them out of the land of Egypt concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices but this thing I commanded them saying Obey my voice and I will be your God and yee shal be my people and walke yee in all the wayes which I haue commaunded you that it may be well vnto you He saieth also by his Prophet Samuell 1. Sam. 15.22 Thinkest thou that the Lord hath as great pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices as when his voice is obeyed Behold to obey is better than sacrifice and to hearken is better then the fatte of Rammes Wee may read many such or the lyke sentēces but specially this is notable and excellent that the sonnes of Aaron were horribly burned and consumed with the fire which was sent out from the Lord Leuit. 10.1 c. because they offered straunge fire and which in deede was not commaunded them But wee adde that the lawes which concerne doctrine and by which mens consciences are tied apperteine to the seruice of God And therfore it foloweth that there is none but God

and met together when Iames was to take counsell of that which Saint Paule had to doe Act. 21.18 touching the purging and cleering of himselfe from the slaunders that were laid vpon him and giuen out against him And wee see also whither Iesus Christe sendeth the offenders who are stiffe not yeelding to a confession of their fault when he saith Tell it vnto the Church Mat. 18.17 For by the Church there hee meaneth no other thing but the Consistorie that is to say the gouernours and guiders of the Church euen as Chrysostome hath expounded it as wee haue before obserued it and put it downe in the first Chapter To be short it is very manifest plaine that there must be in the Church Ancients or ouerwatchers appointed to this end to watch ouer the manners of the people and who also together with the Pastors must looke to the exercise and execution of discipline that the church may be wel guided and gouerned The fourth head or point is Of the corrections and censures of the Church touching the corrections and censures of the church Wee haue saide that in euery church there ought to be a Consistorie to exercise and execute the discipline Now wee adde that this ought to be found true and declared specially in the corrections and censures Whereupon we haue certaine considerations to bee obserued and marked The first is that wee must make a difference betweene secret faults those which are publike and open that wee may applie thereto meete and conuenient censures I call them secret faults which are knowne to one alone or to very fewe persons And I call them publike and open faultes which are notorious and manifestly knowne of euery one or els of very many men If then the faultes be secret wee must follow in the correction and amendment therof the rule which is prescribed by Iesus Christ Mat. 18.15 in Matthew 18. where it is said If thy brother offend or sinne against thee goe tell him thereof betweene thee and him alone c. But if the faults be publike and open we must follow the commandement and example of Saint Paul 1. Tim. 5.20 His commandement is this Suche as offend reproue openly that the rest also may feare His example is in that when S. Peter had committed an offensiue fault hee did not warne him thereof apart Gala. 2.14 or by himself but did reproue him openly that before the Church The second consideration is that among open faults and offences there are some whiche are lesse than othersome are and therefore discretion and iudgement ought to be vsed in the censuring thereof But all the circūstances cannot be easily expressed wherefore the Consistorie ought to bee wise of good iudgement to practise the admonition and warning of Saint Iude Iude. 22.23 whē he saith Haue compassion of some in putting difference other some saue with feare pulling them out of the fire For amongest faults some deserue but simple or bare admonition alone othersom suspention from the holy supper others excommunication and other some other censure But we cannot be deceiued in this what so euer it bee in following doing that which the worde of God commaundeth vs that is to say to cut off from the church rebellious impenitent persons also faultie persons Mat. 18.17 1. Cor. 5.3.4 Tit. 3. 10. whiche stand stiffe in their faultes and consequently heretikes The thirde consideration is that when the question is of Censures and namely of cutting off from the vse of the Supper or of excommunication one alone should not take vpon him the knowledge thereof but it is necessarie and meete that the iudgement of the Church should bee interposed or come betweene For one man alone whatsoeuer graces hee hath receiued from God cannot or ought not to attribute vnto himselfe suche an authoritie And therefore S. Paul being willing to excommunicate the incestuous person saith thus 1 Cor. 5.3.4.5 I verily as absent in body but present in spirit haue determined alredie as though I were present that he that hath thus done this thing when yee are gathered together and my spirite in the name of our Lord Iesus Christ that such a one I say by the power of our Lord Iesus Christ be deliuered vnto Satan c. Although hee was an Apostle yet hee alone and of his owne authoritie doth not cut off from the Church this incestuous person but communicateth his aduice order to with the Churche to the ende that the matter might be done by common authoritie and consent And indeede in olde time this was the common and vsuall maner to wit that the Ecclesiasticall censures shoulde bee executed Tertul. Apologeti ca. 39. by the Consistorie For as it appeareth by the Apologetike or defensiue writing of Tertullian if question shoulde bee had touching them that ought to bee excommunicated or of them that had committed certaine faults whether they ought to bee receiued or no this authoritie appertained to the Ministers and Elders of the Churche who ordinarily and commonly assembled and met together for that purpose and matter But the denouncing or publishing of the excommunication or the casting of one our or the publike receiuing of him againe before the Churche was done by the Pastour In this sorte Origen ordaineth Origen in Iohan. Hom. 7. that hee whiche hath beene three times admonished and yet afterwardes amendeth not shoulde bee cut off from the bodie of the Church by the gouernors of the Church And Saint Cyprian Cypri lib. 3. epist 10. 14. 27. making mention of the custom and manner vsed in his time touching the publike and open censures of the Churche saith that nothing at all was done by the Bishoppe without the counsell of the Clergie and the consent of the people Wherefore the Pope of Rome declareth him selfe to bee a false dealer and indeede a Tyrant when snatching away and that by violence from the Church the right and power that belongeth thereto hee arrogateth to himself and to his power authoritie to cut off from the Churche and to excōmunicate whom so euer hee or any of them shall thinke good The fourth consideration is touching the ends which men ought to set before them in the corrections of the church namely in excommunication Now there are three speciall endes thereof The first is that those which be of wicked life and conuersation may not haue anye place amongest true Christians to the contempt of Gods name The second is that good people may not bee corrupted by the conuersation of the wicked 1. Cor. 6.6 for a little leauen leaueneth the whole lumpe The thirde is that they which haue fallen and offended may bee confounded and ashamed in themselues and aftewardes lifted vp againe comforted and reconciled to the Church That is it which S. Paule setteth out and meaneth 2. Thes 3.14 when he saith If any man obey not our