cause_n to_o be_v heresy_n but_o such_o as_o have_v be_v condemn_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o canonical_a scripture_n or_o by_o the_o first_o 4_o general_n council_n and_o when_o so_o many_o of_o their_o writer_n endeavour_v to_o persuade_v the_o people_n etc._n bp._n jewel_n dr._n pierce_n etc._n etc._n that_o they_o be_v ready_a to_o stand_v by_o the_o father_n of_o the_o first_o 400_o 500_o nay_o some_o of_o they_o 600_o year_n that_o be_v till_o the_o four_o general_n council_n inclusive_o but_o it_o seem_v our_o author_n acknowledge_v with_o dr._n fulk_n and_o other_o the_o vanity_n of_o that_o claim_n and_o therefore_o will_v only_o stand_v to_o the_o first_o 300_o which_o i_o believe_v he_o will_v at_o last_o also_o be_v force_v to_o quit_v for_o the_o pure_a protestant_a plea_n of_o scripture_n alone_o have_v this_o custom_n of_o pray_v to_o saint_n be_v only_o introduce_v in_o the_o four_o age_n and_o be_v so_o dangerous_a as_o our_o modern_n endeavour_v to_o persuade_v the_o world_n it_o be_v certain_o the_o succeed_a general_n council_n will_v have_v take_v notice_n of_o it_o or_o some_o one_o of_o the_o father_n will_v have_v write_v against_o it_o but_o on_o the_o contrary_a we_o find_v the_o 1578._o the_o planianus_n post_v merten_a vivit_fw-la martyr_n pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la oret_fw-la conc_fw-fr chal._n mt._n 11._o to._n 1._o conc._n p._n 495._o edit_fw-la colon._n 1578._o four_o general_n council_n allow_v this_o invocation_n in_o the_o 3d_o person_n who_o word_n be_v these_o let_v flavian_n be_v have_v in_o everlasting_a memory_n behold_v vengeance_n i._n e._n on_o his_o murderer_n behold_v the_o truth_n flavian_n live_v after_o death_n let_v flavian_n the_o martyr_n pray_v for_o we_o but_o that_o which_o seem_v to_o i_o the_o most_o extravagant_a be_v that_o protestant_n shall_v thus_o demand_v we_o to_o show_v they_o some_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o first_o 300_o year_n who_o live_v under_o persecution_n who_o write_n be_v lose_v and_o destroy_v and_o yet_o reject_v the_o father_n of_o the_o four_o age_n who_o write_v when_o the_o church_n begin_v first_o to_o be_v in_o a_o flourish_a condition_n can_v any_o one_o imagine_v that_o the_o church_n when_o in_o grotts_n and_o cavern_n teach_v one_o thing_n and_o when_o she_o come_v into_o the_o light_n practise_v another_o can_v we_o think_v that_o when_o 1596._o when_o chrisost_n hom._n antioch_n &_o hom._n 26._o in_o 2_o corinth_n c._n 12._o pag._n 920._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d edit_fw-la commelint_fw-la 1596._o st._n chrysostom_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o emperor_n who_o be_v clothe_v with_o purple_a take_v a_o journey_n to_o visit_v these_o sepulchre_n of_o st._n peter_n and_o st._n paul_n and_o lay_v aside_o his_o pomp_n present_n himself_o to_o make_v supplication_n to_o they_o to_o the_o end_n that_o they_o may_v intercede_v to_o god_n for_o he_o he_o who_o temple_n be_v encompass_v with_o a_o diadem_n pray_v to_o a_o maker_n of_o tent_n and_o fisherman_n as_o his_o protector_n can_v we_o i_o say_v think_v that_o this_o which_o be_v so_o public_o perform_v in_o his_o time_n even_o by_o the_o emperor_n be_v not_o private_o do_v in_o grot_n before_o by_o other_o christian_n be_v our_o question_n whether_o the_o saint_n pray_v for_o we_o or_o no_o or_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o beg_v of_o god_n to_o hear_v their_o prayer_n for_o we_o which_o be_v all_o we_o do_v in_o our_o liturgy_n he_o i_o suppose_v know_v that_o i_o may_v furnish_v he_o with_o many_o example_n out_o of_o the_o ancient_a liturgy_n and_o father_n even_o within_o the_o first_o 100_o year_n but_o i_o know_v he_o will_v elude_v that_o and_o say_v he_o call_v for_o express_v invocation_n of_o the_o saint_n themselves_o b._n dion_n arop_n eccles_n hierarch_n c._n 7._o 7._o 6._o pa._n 355._o b._n to_o comply_v therefore_o with_o his_o desire_n i_o will_v not_o cite_v st._n denys_n the_o areopagite_n who_o be_v express_v because_o he_o will_v not_o it_o may_v be_v allow_v he_o to_o be_v author_n of_o that_o book_n he_o will_v not_o it_o may_v be_v think_v st._n justin_n the_o martyr_n to_o speak_v plain_a enough_o b._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d s._n just_o mart._n apol._n ad_fw-la autoninum_fw-la pium_fw-la lmp._n non_fw-la longo_fw-la ab_fw-la initio_fw-la pa._n 56._o b._n when_o make_v a_o apology_n for_o the_o christian_n who_o be_v accuse_v in_o his_o time_n as_o atheist_n by_o the_o heathen_n because_o they_o do_v not_o adore_v their_o god_n he_o tell_v they_o that_o we_o do_v not_o only_o adore_v god_n and_o his_o son_n christ_n jesus_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n who_o teach_v those_o thing_n but_o venerate_a in_o word_n and_o in_o truth_n all_o the_o army_n of_o good_a angel_n and_o those_o that_o follow_v he_o and_o teach_v this_o as_o we_o have_v be_v teach_v to_o other_o he_o will_v also_o it_o may_v be_v find_v a_o evasion_n for_o the_o expression_n of_o st._n a._n st._n sient_fw-fr illa_fw-la seducta_fw-la est_fw-la uteffugeret_fw-la deum_fw-la sic_fw-la baec_fw-la suasa_fw-la est_fw-la obedire_fw-la deo_fw-la uti_fw-la virgin_n evae_n virgo_fw-la maria_fw-la sieret_fw-la advocata_fw-la iren._n lib._n 5._o c._n 19_o pag._n 464._o a._n irenaus_n in_o the_o same_o age_n who_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o virgin_n mary_n be_v make_v a_o advocate_n for_o the_o virgin_n eve_n but_o however_o let_v he_o take_v care_n in_o his_o exposition_n that_o he_o establish_v not_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a but_o i_o suppose_v he_o will_v not_o deny_v that_o origen_n who_o live_v anno_fw-la 226._o pray_v formal_o to_o his_o 2._o his_o omnia_fw-la angelie_o plenasunt_fw-la veni_fw-la angelo_n susâ—ipe_a sermone_fw-la conversunâ—_n ab_fw-la errore_fw-la pristinos_fw-la à _fw-la docirina_fw-la demoniorum_fw-la ab_fw-la iniquitate_fw-la in_o altum_fw-la loquente_fw-la &_o suscipiens_fw-la eum_fw-la quasi_fw-la medice_fw-la bone_fw-la coalove_n atque_fw-la institute_n parvulus_fw-la est_fw-la hodie_fw-la nascitur_fw-la senex_fw-la repuerascens_fw-la et_fw-la suscipe_fw-la tribuens_fw-la ci_fw-fr baptismum_fw-la secunde_a regenerationis_fw-la &_o advoca_fw-la tibi_fw-la alios_fw-la soclos_fw-la ministerii_fw-la tui_fw-la ut_fw-la cuncti_fw-la pariter_fw-la choose_fw-la qui_fw-la aliquando_fw-la decepti_fw-la sunt_fw-la erudiatis_fw-la ad_fw-la sidem_fw-la etc._n etc._n orig._n hom._n 1._o in_o ezech._n scl_n 133._o b._n circa_fw-la med_a lit_fw-fr e._n 2._o angel_n guardian_n to_o receive_v he_o then_o convert_v from_o his_o former_a error_n and_o the_o doctrine_n of_o devil_n to_o comfort_n and_o strengthen_v he_o like_o a_o good_a physician_n and_o to_o call_v together_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o companion_n in_o that_o ministry_n that_o all_o of_o they_o together_o may_v instruct_v those_o in_o the_o faith_n who_o have_v be_v deceive_v i_o hope_v he_o will_v not_o deny_v that_o he_o beg_v of_o holy_a c._n holy_a o_o beat_v job_n vivens_fw-la in_o perpetâ—um_fw-la aâ—ud_fw-la deum_fw-la &_o victor_n permanens_fw-la in_o conspeciou_n regis_fw-la demini_fw-la ora_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la miseris_fw-la ut_fw-la etiam_fw-la nos_fw-la terribilis_fw-la dei_fw-la misericordia_fw-la protegat_fw-la in_o omnibus_fw-la tribulationibus_fw-la &_o eripiat_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la oppressionibus_fw-la maligni_fw-la et_fw-la connumeret_fw-la nos_fw-la cum_fw-la justis_fw-la et_fw-la conscribat_fw-la nos_fw-la cum_fw-la his_fw-la qui_fw-la salui_fw-la siunt_fw-la et_fw-la requiesccre_fw-la nos_fw-la faciat_fw-la cum_fw-la illis_fw-la in_o regno_fw-la svo_fw-la ubi_fw-la perpesuo_fw-la cum_fw-la sonitis_fw-la illis_fw-la magnificemus_fw-la illum_fw-la idem_fw-la lib._n 2._o job_n in_o fine_a tom._n 2._o fol._n 33._o a._n c._n job_n to_o pray_v for_o he_o that_o he_o make_v his_o address_n to_o init_fw-la to_o incipiam_fw-la i_o genibus_fw-la prosternere_fw-la &_o deprecari_fw-la universos_fw-la sanctos_fw-la ut_fw-la mih_n non_fw-la audenti_fw-la petere_fw-la deum_fw-la propter_fw-la nimietatem_fw-la peccati_fw-la succurrant_fw-la o_o sancti_fw-la dei_fw-la vos_fw-la lachrymis_fw-la &_o sleru_fw-la pleno_fw-la dolore_fw-la deprecor_fw-la ut_fw-la procidatis_fw-la misericordil_n ejus_fw-la pro_fw-la i_o misero_fw-la idem_fw-la in_o lamento_n tom._n 2._o fol._n 158._o b._n init_fw-la all_o the_o saint_n in_o general_a and_o particular_o to_o b._n to_o hei_fw-la mihi_fw-la pater_fw-la abraham_n deprecare_fw-la pro_fw-la i_o ne_fw-fr de_fw-fr simbus_n tuhaliener_n ibid._n circa_fw-la finem_fw-la pag._n 159._o b._n abraham_n in_o the_o midst_n of_o his_o sorrow_n and_o lamentation_n for_o his_o sin_n neither_o will_v he_o i_o suppose_v deny_v f._n deny_v salvein_n â—lernum_fw-la indesinens_fw-la nostra_fw-la laeutia_fw-la dei_fw-la genitrix_n virgo_fw-la ad_fw-la te_fw-la enim_fw-la rursus_fw-la accurrimus_fw-la tu_fw-la festi_fw-la nostri_fw-la principium_fw-la in_fw-la mdeium_fw-la tu_fw-la finâ—_n pretiosissima_fw-la regni_fw-la margarita_fw-la tu_fw-la verè_fw-la omnis_fw-la saorificis_fw-la pinguedo_fw-la â—_o tu_fw-la animatum_fw-la panis_fw-la istius_fw-la aquavitae_fw-la altar_n salve_fw-la amoris_fw-la dei_fw-la patris_fw-la thesaure_n salve_n silii_fw-la erga_fw-la gews_fw-la humanum_fw-la fons_fw-la propensionis_fw-la salve_n sancti_fw-la spiritus_fw-la mens_fw-la inumbrate_v prepterea_fw-la te_fw-la
a_o reply_n to_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v a_o further_a vindication_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o condom_n exposition_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n with_o a_o second_o letter_n from_o the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n permissu_fw-la superiorum_fw-la london_n print_v by_o henry_n hill_n printer_n to_o the_o king_n be_v most_o excellent_a majesty_n for_o his_o household_n and_o chapel_n and_o be_v sell_v at_o his_o printing-house_n on_o the_o ditch-side_n in_o blackfriar_n 1687._o the_o preface_n they_o who_o consider_v serious_o the_o mischief_n which_o heresy_n and_o schism_n bring_v along_o with_o they_o schism_n they_o 1._o the_o mischief_n of_o heresy_n and_o schism_n not_o only_o to_o the_o individual_a person_n that_o be_v guilty_a of_o they_o but_o also_o to_o the_o nation_n in_o which_o they_o be_v propagate_v will_v certain_o commend_v the_o endeavour_n of_o those_o son_n of_o peace_n who_o labour_n to_o establish_v truth_n and_o unity_n and_o condemn_v they_o who_o seek_v all_o mean_n possible_a to_o obscure_v the_o one_o and_o obstruct_v the_o other_o they_o also_o who_o cast_v a_o eye_n upon_o the_o controversy_n about_o religion_n which_o have_v be_v agitate_a in_o this_o and_o the_o last_o age_n and_o the_o miserable_a broil_n and_o other_o worse_a consequence_n that_o have_v attend_v they_o can_v but_o deplore_v the_o unhappy_a fate_n of_o europe_n which_o have_v for_o so_o long_a time_n be_v the_o seat_n of_o this_o religious_a war._n and_o they_o who_o will_v but_o impartial_o consider_v matter_n will_v find_v peace_n catholic_n seek_v the_o best_a mean_n to_o obtain_v peace_n that_o catholic_n have_v upon_o all_o occasion_n seek_v the_o most_o advantageous_a mean_n to_o procure_v this_o christian_a peace_n though_o to_o their_o grief_n they_o have_v still_o be_v hinder_v from_o effect_v this_o good_a work_n by_o the_o ignorance_n of_o some_o and_o the_o malice_n or_o self-interest_n of_o other_o the_o defender_n tell_v we_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o his_o preface_n that_o several_a method_n have_v be_v make_v use_n of_o in_o our_o neighbour_a nation_n to_o reduce_v the_o pretend_a reform_a to_o the_o catholic_a communion_n but_o that_o this_o of_o the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n be_v look_v upon_o as_o exceed_v all_o other_o in_o order_n to_o that_o end_n this_o show_v indeed_o the_o great_a zeal_n those_o person_n bad_a for_o the_o salvation_n of_o their_o brethren_n and_o though_o the_o defender_n be_v please_v to_o call_v those_o excellent_a discourse_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n of_o the_o faith_n and_o the_o just_a prejudices_fw-la against_o calvinist_n and_o m._n maimbourg's_o peaceable_a method_n etc._n etc._n sophistical_a and_o to_o represent_v m._n de_fw-fr meaux_n exposition_n as_o either_o palliate_a or_o pervert_v the_o doctrine_n of_o his_o church_n yet_o see_v he_o only_o assert_v the_o former_a without_o go_v about_o to_o prove_v it_o and_o have_v be_v so_o unsuccesful_a in_o the_o late_a charge_n as_o i_o shall_v full_o show_v in_o the_o follow_a treatise_n i_o hope_v the_o judicious_a reader_n will_v suspend_v his_o judgement_n till_o he_o have_v examine_v thing_n himself_n and_o not_o take_v all_o for_o gospel_n that_o be_v say_v with_o confidence_n he_o tell_v we_o also_o that_o the_o great_a design_n of_o these_o several_a method_n 4._o pag_n 4._o have_v be_v to_o prevent_v the_o enter_v upon_o particular_a dispute_n and_o pretend_v it_o be_v because_o experience_n have_v teach_v we_o that_o such_o particular_a dispute_n have_v be_v the_o least_o favourable_a to_o we_o of_o any_o of_o they_o but_o the_o truth_n be_v scripture_n be_v 2._o we_o neither_o decline_v particular_n nor_o refuse_v to_o fight_v with_o protestant_n at_o their_o own_o weapon_n we_o appeal_v to_o scripture_n we_o have_v never_o decline_v fight_v with_o they_o at_o any_o weapon_n nor_o refuse_v upon_o occasion_n to_o enter_v upon_o each_o particular_a neither_o need_v we_o go_v to_o france_n for_o instance_n we_o have_v enough_o at_o home_n some_o even_n among_o the_o first_o pretend_v reformer_n appeal_v to_o scripture_n only_o neither_o will_v they_o admit_v of_o primitive_a father_n nor_o council_n and_o though_o these_o very_a person_n who_o be_v for_o nothing_o but_o what_o be_v find_v in_o scripture_n be_v convince_v by_o the_o follow_a sect_n that_o their_o reformation_n be_v defective_a if_o scripture_n alone_o be_v to_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o reformation_n every_o year_n almost_o since_o the_o first_o revolt_n produce_v some_o new_a reform_v of_o all_o those_o that_o have_v go_v before_o and_o though_o catholic_o may_v just_o decline_v to_o argue_v from_o scripture_n only_o till_o protestant_n have_v prove_v it_o to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n by_o some_o of_o their_o own_o principle_n yet_o be_v they_o not_o afraid_a to_o join_v issue_n with_o they_o all_o even_o in_o the_o point_n of_o scripture_n clearness_n for_o our_o doctrine_n abstract_v from_o the_o primitive_a father_n and_o council_n and_o thereupon_o beside_o several_a catechism_n the_o catholic_a scripturist_n and_o other_o excellent_a book_n two_o treatise_n be_v publish_v here_o in_o england_n and_o never_o that_o i_o hear_v of_o answer_v the_o first_o a_o anchor_n of_o christian_a doctrine_n wherein_o the_o principal_a point_n of_o catholic_a religion_n be_v prove_v by_o the_o only_o write_a word_n of_o god._n in_o 4_o volume_n in_o 4o._o anno_fw-la 1622._o the_o other_o a_o conference_n of_o the_o catholic_a and_o protestant_a doctrine_n with_o the_o express_a word_n of_o scripture_n be_v a_o second_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_a balance_n anno_fw-la 1631._o 4o._o in_o which_o be_v show_v that_o in_o more_o than_o 260_o point_n of_o controversy_n catholic_o agree_v with_o the_o holy_a scripture_n both_o in_o word_n and_o sense_n and_o protestant_n disagree_v in_o both_o other_o protestant_n perceive_v they_o can_v not_o maintain_v several_a tenet_n and_o practice_n of_o their_o own_o by_o the_o bare_a word_n of_o scripture_n age_n scripture_n 3._o to_o the_o father_n and_o council_n in_o all_o age_n and_o despair_v of_o father_n and_o council_n of_o late_a age_n pretend_v at_o least_o to_o admit_v the_o first_o four_o general_n council_n and_o the_o father_n of_o the_o first_o three_o or_o four_o hundred_o year_n but_o how_o mere_a a_o pretence_n this_o be_v appear_v by_o the_o many_o book_n write_v abroad_o upon_o that_o subject_a as_o coccius_n his_o thesaurus_fw-la gualterus_n his_o chronology_n and_o other_o and_o at_o home_n dr._n pierce_v find_v it_o too_o hard_a a_o task_n to_o make_v a_o reply_n to_o dean_n crecy_n be_v answer_n to_o his_o court_n sermon_n and_o the_o present_a nibble_v at_o the_o nubes_fw-la testium_fw-la show_v how_o hard_o a_o task_n they_o find_v it_o to_o elude_v their_o plain_a expression_n a_o three_o sort_n of_o protestant_n venture_v to_o name_n tradition_n as_o a_o useful_a mean_n to_o arrive_v at_o the_o true_a faith_n tradition_n faith_n 4._o to_o a_o uninterrupted_a tradition_n but_o many_o excellent_a treatise_n have_v show_v that_o no_o other_o doctrine_n will_v bide_v that_o test_n but_o such_o as_o be_v teach_v by_o the_o catholic_a church_n for_o novelty_n which_o be_v a_o distinctive_a mark_n of_o error_n appear_v in_o the_o very_a name_n of_o reformation_n a_o uninterrupted_a tradition_n can_v never_o be_v lay_v claim_n to_o by_o they_o who_o pretend_v to_o be_v reformer_n and_o indeed_o the_o exception_n which_o they_o usual_o make_v and_o the_o general_n cry_v against_o father_n council_n and_o tradition_n show_v how_o little_o they_o dare_v rely_v upon_o they_o nay_o there_o have_v not_o be_v any_o thing_n like_o a_o argument_n produce_v against_o our_o faith_n or_o to_o justify_v their_o schism_n but_o what_o have_v be_v abundant_o answer_v and_o refute_v and_o yet_o the_o same_o sophism_n be_v return_v upon_o we_o as_o current_a coin_n notwithstanding_o they_o have_v be_v often_o bring_v to_o the_o test_n and_o can_v not_o stand_v it_o moreover_o catholic_o have_v so_o far_o comply_v with_o the_o infirmity_n of_o their_o adversary_n that_o they_o have_v leave_v no_o stone_n unturned_a to_o reduce_v they_o to_o unity_n of_o faith_n and_o that_o by_o meekness_n as_o well_o as_o powerful_a reason_n they_o have_v not_o only_o condescend_v to_o satisfy_v the_o curiosity_n of_o they_o who_o have_v most_o leisure_n by_o write_v large_a volume_n upon_o every_o particular_a controversy_n prove_v what_o they_o hold_v by_o scripture_n council_n father_n reason_n and_o all_o other_o press_v argument_n but_o because_o most_o person_n can_v get_v time_n to_o peruse_v such_o vast_a treatise_n they_o have_v go_v a_o short_a way_n to_o work_v and_o some_o have_v manifest_v the_o truth_n of_o our_o doctrine_n from_o the_o unerrable_a authority_n of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n against_o which_o he_o have_v promise_v that_o the_o gate_n of_o
enjoy_v the_o beatifical_a vision_n till_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n yet_o see_v it_o be_v true_a and_o confess_v by_o the_o most_o 14._o most_o chemuitius_n exam._n conc._n trid._n part_n 3._o the_o invoc_n ss_z vossius_fw-la disp_n 2_o thes_n 1._o bishop_n forbes_n commend_v bishop_n montague_n candour_n in_o acknowledge_v s._n augustin_n to_o allow_v invocation_n of_o martyr_n and_o censure_v bp._n andrews_n for_o deny_v it_o lib._n the_o invocat_n sanctorum_fw-la c._n 4._o n._n 3._o dr._n fulk_n in_o his_o rejoynder_n to_o bristol_n pag._n 5._o spalatensis_n repub._n eccl._n l._n 7._o c._n 12._o n._n 25._o affirm_v the_o same_o of_o st._n augustin_n and_o several_a other_o these_o be_v cite_v by_o s._n c._n in_o his_o answer_n to_o dr._n pierce_n court_n semon_n pag._n 192._o 198._o 199._o see_v also_o thorndike_n cite_v before_o pag._n 14._o ingenuous_a protestant_n that_o they_o also_o hold_v it_o lawful_a to_o invocate_v the_o saint_n that_o they_o not_o only_o pray_v to_o they_o themselves_o but_o exhort_v other_o to_o do_v the_o samâ—_n and_o this_o without_o ever_o give_v they_o the_o least_o caution_n that_o their_o expression_n be_v only_o rhetorical_a flight_n it_o necessary_o follow_v that_o beauties_n argument_n will_v have_v be_v of_o no_o force_n with_o they_o as_o indeed_o it_o be_v not_o with_o st._n augustin_n who_o though_o he_o dare_v not_o decide_v whether_o it_o be_v the_o saint_n themselves_o who_o appear_v sometime_o at_o the_o memorial_n and_o who_o hear_v the_o prayer_n or_o the_o angel_n for_o they_o yet_o make_v no_o difficulty_n to_o pray_v to_o they_o himself_o and_o to_o record_v the_o many_o benefit_n which_o other_o obtain_v by_o pray_v to_o they_o as_o may_v be_v see_v throughout_o his_o whole_a 22d_o chapter_n of_o his_o 8_o book_n de._n civitate_fw-la dei._n but_o it_o seem_v our_o adversary_n be_v force_v to_o great_a strait_n when_o they_o be_v constrain_v to_o catch_v hold_n of_o every_o little_a argument_n which_o they_o think_v ill_o manage_v and_o rather_o than_o not_o maintain_v their_o novelity_n cast_v dirt_n in_o the_o face_n of_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o accuse_v that_o primitive_a church_n itself_o who_o purity_n they_o profess_v to_o imitate_v and_o acdord_v to_o who_o doctrine_n they_o say_v they_o have_v reform_v not_o only_o of_o such_o gross_a error_n as_o be_v contrary_a to_o express_v text_n of_o scripture_n but_o of_o such_o ignorance_n that_o they_o hold_v opinion_n not_o only_o incoherent_a but_o even_o etc._n even_o this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o protestant_n usual_a amusement_n to_o make_v st._n augustin_n quarrel_n with_o st._n augustin_n st._n chrysostom_n with_o st._n chrysostom_n etc._n etc._n contradictory_n to_o several_a other_o expression_n in_o their_o own_o write_n how_o much_o more_o christian_n like_o have_v it_o be_v for_o he_o to_o have_v imitate_v 621.1_o imitate_v proinde_fw-la cum_fw-la apud_fw-la priscos_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la doctores_fw-la legis_fw-la justorum_fw-la animas_fw-la vivere_fw-la aut_fw-la in_o sinu_fw-la abrabae_n aut_fw-la in_o paradisi_fw-la nemore_fw-la aut_fw-la sub_fw-la altar_n dei_fw-la aut_fw-la in_o abditis_fw-la recepriculit_fw-la lbique_fw-la expectare_fw-la suiurae_fw-la gloriae_fw-la praemia_fw-la non_fw-la statim_fw-la suspiceris_fw-la animas_fw-la sancterum_fw-la career_n divini_fw-la intuitus_fw-la gleria_n sed_fw-la intellige_fw-la eas_fw-la nondum_fw-la potiri_fw-la perfecta_fw-la &_o consummat_n illa_fw-la felleitate_fw-la quam_fw-la post_fw-la corporis_fw-la resurrectionem_fw-la expectant_a bibl._n sancta_fw-la lib._n 6._o annot._fw-la 345._o pag._n 621.1_o sixtus_n senensis_n who_o he_o cite_v who_o after_o have_v relate_v the_o several_a obscure_a passage_n of_o the_o father_n affirm_v the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a to_o remain_v till_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n in_o the_o shade_n of_o paradise_n under_o the_o altar_n of_o god_n or_o in_o hide_a receptacle_n expect_v the_o future_a reward_n of_o glory_n tell_v we_o we_o must_v not_o present_o imagic_a they_o intend_v as_o if_o the_o soul_n enjoy_v not_o the_o beatifical_a vision_n but_o only_o that_o they_o do_v not_o yet_o possess_v that_o entire_a felicity_n which_o they_o expect_v after_o the_o resurrection_n of_o the_o body_n what_o if_o some_o of_o the_o father_n believe_v that_o saint_n depart_v be_v not_o admit_v to_o the_o high_a heaven_n immediate_o upon_o their_o decease_n do_v not_o our_o lord_n himself_o tell_v we_o there_o be_v many_o mansion_n in_o his_o father_n house_n and_o saint_n paul_n that_o as_o the_o star_n do_v differ_v in_o glory_n so_o do_v the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n we_o need_v not_o inquire_v how_o one_o may_v be_v subordinate_a to_o another_o as_o the_o degree_n of_o angel_n be_v let_v we_o let_v that_o alone_o till_o we_o come_v thither_o however_o let_v mounseur_fw-fr daillè_fw-la and_o this_o gentleman_n take_v heed_n lest_o while_o they_o deny_v any_o invocation_n of_o the_o saint_n they_o stumble_v not_o upon_o purgatory_n certain_o what_o ever_o sense_n may_v be_v put_v upon_o the_o primitive_a father_n write_n the_o constant_a practice_n and_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n show_v that_o she_o always_o believe_v some_o person_n to_o enjoy_v the_o beatific_a vision_n immediate_o after_o their_o departure_n out_o of_o this_o life_n though_o there_o remain_v a_o further_a compliment_n of_o their_o glory_n at_o the_o general_a resurrection_n when_o soul_n and_o body_n shall_v be_v unite_v another_o piece_n of_o the_o like_a veneration_n for_o the_o ancient_a father_n follow_v defender_n follow_v 13._o primitive_a father_n calumniate_v by_o the_o defender_n where_o he_o accuse_v those_o of_o the_o four_o age_n of_o depart_v from_o the_o practice_n and_o tradition_n of_o the_o age_n before_o they_o and_o endeavour_n to_o prove_v it_o from_o the_o profound_a silence_n of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o three_o first_o age_n from_o who_o he_o challenge_v i_o to_o bring_v he_o any_o one_o instance_n of_o such_o intercession_n have_v he_o consult_v his_o brethren_n the_o centurist_n of_o magdeburg_n year_n magdeburg_n 14._o prayer_n to_o saint_n within_o the_o one_a 300._o year_n he_o will_v not_o have_v make_v so_o bold_a a_o challenge_n for_o they_o acknowledge_v that_o origen_n who_o live_v anno_fw-la 226._o miseris_fw-la 226._o the_o centurist_n of_o magdeburg_n cent._n 3._o col_fw-fr 83._o lin_v 49._o allege_v origen_n say_v o_o beat_v job_n or_o a_o pronobis_fw-la miseris_fw-la pray_v to_o holy_a job_n and_o admit_v the_o d_o invocation_n of_o angel_n they_o affirm_v also_o that_o there_o be_v manifest_a step_n of_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n in_o the_o doctor_n of_o that_o ancient_a age._n have_v he_o also_o consult_v cardinal_n perron_n who_o he_o cite_v he_o will_v have_v see_v that_o the_o father_n of_o the_o four_o age_n be_v so_o far_o from_o depart_v from_o the_o practice_n and_o tradition_n of_o the_o age_n before_o they_o that_o they_o make_v mention_n of_o that_o forego_n practice_n thus_o st._n gregory_n nazianzen_n in_o his_o sermon_n upon_o the_o aniversary_n of_o st._n cyprian_n 28._o cyprian_n again_o cent._n 3._o col_fw-fr 75._o line_n 29._o they_o say_v angelos_n etiam_fw-la origines_fw-la invocenlos_fw-la putavit_fw-la hom._n 1._o in_o ezech._n i_o they_o cent_n 3._o c._n 4._o col_fw-fr 83._o line_n 47._o videat_fw-la in_o dectorum_fw-la huius_fw-la saeculi_fw-la scriptis_fw-la non_fw-la obscura_fw-la vestigia_fw-la invecationis_fw-la sancterum_fw-la apud_fw-la protestnat_fw-la apology_n tr._n 2._o sect_n 3._o subd_v 7._o pag._n 95_o in_o margin_n n._n 26_o 27_o 28._o who_o flourish_v in_o the_o year_n 250_o not_o only_o pray_v to_o he_o but_o relate_v a_o history_n how_o st._n justina_n be_v in_o danger_n of_o make_v shipwrac_n of_o her_o chastity_n by_o the_o magical_a art_n of_o st._n cyprian_n before_o he_o be_v convert_v to_o the_o catholic_a faith_n have_v recourse_n to_o the_o intercession_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n mary_n beg_v of_o she_o to_o assist_v she_o who_o virginity_n be_v in_o danger_n by_o which_o relation_n whether_o he_o be_v mistake_v in_o the_o cyprian_a he_o mention_n or_o no_o it_o matter_n not_o he_o at_o least_o plain_o show_v that_o the_o practice_n do_v not_o arise_v in_o his_o time_n but_o be_v the_o common_a custom_n of_o the_o precedent_n age._n what_o then_o if_o the_o few_o write_n of_o the_o ancient_n of_o the_o first_o 300_o year_n which_o remain_v be_v silent_a in_o this_o particular_a do_v it_o follow_v that_o they_o approve_v not_o the_o practice_n or_o be_v there_o nothing_o now_o to_o be_v believe_v in_o the_o church_n but_o what_o must_v be_v find_v in_o their_o write_n this_o indeed_o may_v be_v a_o socinian_o plea_n but_o i_o do_v not_o think_v those_o of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n as_o by_o law_n establish_v will_v have_v stand_v upon_o it_o when_o a_o act_n of_o parliament_n oblige_v they_o to_o venerate_v the_o 4_o first_o general_n council_n 1._o stat._n 1_o eliz._n c._n 1._o so_o far_o as_o not_o to_o judge_v any_o matter_n or_o
the_o father_n of_o the_o first_o 400_o year_n some_o of_o which_o i_o have_v before_o show_v have_v as_o affective_a expression_n to_o the_o saint_n even_o in_o their_o sermon_n and_o catechistical_a discourse_n as_o any_o now_o use_v by_o the_o church_n even_o in_o her_o hymn_n and_o if_o he_o can_v interpret_v they_o to_o be_v in_o the_o ancient_a father_n only_o innocent_a wish_n and_o rhetorical_a flight_n why_o can_v he_o not_o interpret_v the_o hymn_n after_o the_o same_o manner_n where_o there_o have_v be_v always_o more_o poetical_a licence_n take_v neither_o be_v these_o expression_n so_o contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n phrase_n saint_n phrase_n 17._o the_o church_n imitate_v the_o scripture_n phrase_n in_o her_o prayer_n to_o saint_n for_o though_o our_o bless_a jesus_n be_v our_o only_a saviour_n and_o redeemer_n the_o only_a rock_n and_o foundation_n of_o his_o church_n the_o sole_a and_o only_a judge_n of_o the_o quick_a and_o the_o dead_a our_o hope_n our_o joy_n our_o crown_n of_o glory_n etc._n etc._n yet_o we_o find_v 3.9_o find_v judge_n 3.9_o othoniel_n grace_v in_o holy_a writ_n with_o the_o title_n of_o saviour_n 7.35_o saviour_n act_n 7.35_o moses_n call_v a_o redeemer_n and_o a_o 3.19_o a_o gal_n 3.19_o mediator_n st._n paul_n tell_v st._n 4.16_o st._n 1_o tim_n 4.16_o timothy_n that_o by_o do_v those_o thing_n which_o he_o prescribe_v he_o shall_v save_v himself_o and_o those_o that_o hear_v he_o 28_o he_o math_n 16_o 28_o st._n peter_n be_v term_v the_o rock_n and_o foundation_n upon_o which_o god_n will_v build_v his_o church_n the_o 19.28_o the_o march_n 19.28_o apostle_n and_o other_o shall_v sit_v as_o judge_n with_o christ_n judge_v the_o twelve_o tribe_n of_o israel_n and_o st._n paul_n call_v the_o 2.19_o the_o 1_o thes_n 2.19_o thessalonian_o his_o hope_n his_o joy_n his_o crown_n of_o glory_n grace_n and_o peace_n be_v the_o proper_a gift_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o st._n john_n say_v maria._n say_v age_n 1.4_o this_o equal_v a_o nos_fw-la cum_fw-la prcle_fw-la pia_fw-la ben_fw-mi dicat_fw-la virgo_fw-la maria._n to_o the_o seven_o church_n in_o asia_n grace_n be_v unto_o you_o and_o peace_n from_o he_o which_o be_v and_o which_o be_v and_o which_o be_v to_o come_v and_o from_o the_o seven_o spirit_n which_o be_v before_o the_o throne_n nay_o the_o very_a name_n of_o god_n which_o be_v peculiar_a to_o the_o almighty_a be_v in_o holy_a writ_n give_v to_o the_o priest_n and_o ruler_n of_o his_o people_n ego_fw-la dixi_fw-la dii_fw-la estis_fw-la those_o then_o who_o read_v these_o expression_n in_o scripture_n can_v by_o a_o moderate_a interpretation_n reconcile_v they_o with_o that_o duty_n which_o we_o owe_v to_o god_n alone_o will_v do_v well_o also_o if_o in_o a_o spirit_n of_o charity_n they_o will_v not_o put_v all_o our_o expression_n upon_o the_o rack_n to_o force_v they_o to_o a_o sense_n which_o neither_o the_o church_n nor_o her_o faithful_a have_v intend_v as_o for_o those_o extravagant_a kind_n of_o expression_n which_o he_o confess_v bellarmin_n and_o some_o other_o be_v ashamed_a of_o it_o may_v suffice_v to_o tell_v he_o that_o if_o they_o creep_v into_o some_o corner_n of_o the_o church_n they_o be_v now_o expunge_v and_o therefore_o i_o hope_v he_o will_v not_o have_v the_o whole_a to_o be_v answerable_a for_o they_o at_o this_o day_n his_o next_o cavil_v be_v at_o the_o word_n merit_n merit_n merit_n 18._o merit_n which_o we_o use_v in_o our_o public_a prayer_n desire_v god_n by_o the_o merit_n of_o his_o saint_n to_o grant_v we_o our_o request_n or_o accept_v our_o sacrifice_n and_o this_o he_o think_v to_o be_v of_o such_o a_o nature_n that_o it_o make_v the_o merit_n of_o our_o saint_n run_v parallel_n with_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n 10._o defence_n pag._n 10._o be_v the_o word_n merit_v never_o to_o be_v use_v but_o it_o must_v signify_v that_o we_o do_v by_o our_o own_o natural_a force_n alone_o deserve_v the_o reward_n of_o grace_n and_o glory_n defender_n the_o word_n merit_v equivocal_a and_o often_o misapply_v by_o the_o defender_n or_o must_v catholic_o be_v always_o represent_v as_o take_v it_o in_o that_o strict_a sense_n if_o indeed_o the_o word_n can_v be_v take_v in_o any_o other_o sense_n he_o have_v reason_n to_o accuse_v we_o but_o if_o the_o word_n may_v be_v take_v otherwise_o so_o that_o we_o intend_v no_o more_o than_o that_o the_o work_n of_o christian_n may_v be_v say_v to_o merit_v because_o they_o apply_v the_o merit_n of_o jesus_n christ_n to_o we_o and_o be_v the_o mean_n by_o which_o we_o attain_v eternal_a life_n in_o virtue_n of_o the_o promise_n of_o god_n and_o merit_n of_o our_o bless_a redeemer_n which_o even_o mr._n 307._o thern_a like_a epilogue_n lib._n 2._o of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n cap._n ult_n pag._n 307._o thorndike_n acknowledge_v to_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o latin_a father_n what_o injustice_n be_v it_o to_o impose_v another_o sense_n upon_o we_o whereby_o to_o render_v we_o odious_a to_o the_o undistinguish_a multitude_n the_o moderation_n of_o the_o aforesaid_a writer_n will_v i_o think_v have_v suit_v he_o much_o better_a who_o tell_v we_o that_o as_o concern_v the_o term_n of_o merit_n perpetual_o frequent_v in_o these_o prayer_n cavil_n idem_fw-la lib._n 3._o of_o the_o law_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 30._o pag._n 357._o the_o mass_n more_o ancient_a than_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o latin_a father_n a_o unjust_a cavil_n it_o have_v be_v always_o maintain_v by_o those_o of_o the_o reformation_n that_o it_o be_v not_o use_v by_o the_o latin_a father_n in_o any_o other_o sense_n than_o that_o which_o they_o allow_v therefore_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o mass_n say_v he_o true_o and_o judicious_o and_o probable_o other_o prayer_n which_o be_v still_o in_o use_n be_v more_o ancient_a than_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o latin_a father_n there_o be_v no_o reason_n to_o make_v any_o difficulty_n of_o admit_v it_o in_o that_o sense_n but_o that_o we_o may_v further_o see_v the_o injustice_n of_o this_o cavil_v let_v we_o consider_v those_o prayer_n which_o be_v all_o of_o they_o reduce_v to_o this_o form_n that_o god_n will_v be_v please_v not_o to_o regard_v our_o unworthiness_n but_o the_o merit_n of_o our_o redeemer_n presuppose_v respect_v the_o merit_n of_o his_o saint_n also_o and_o for_o their_o sake_n hear_v our_o prayer_n or_o accept_v our_o sacrifice_n solemn_o conclude_v with_o what_o i_o tell_v you_o be_v presuppose_v per_fw-la dominum_fw-la nostrum_n jesumchristum_fw-la filium_fw-la twm_fw-la qvi_fw-fr etc._n etc._n in_o which_o style_n they_o always_o end_v so_o that_o this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o to_o beg_v of_o god_n almighty_n that_o he_o will_v vouchsafe_v to_o call_v to_o mind_v the_o glorious_a action_n and_o suffering_n of_o his_o saint_n perform_v in_o and_o by_o his_o grace_n and_o upon_o those_o account_n accept_v our_o sacrifice_n writ_n the_o word_n merit_n in_o our_o prayer_n conformable_a to_o the_o language_n of_o holy_a writ_n consonant_a to_o his_o regvealed_a will_n in_o that_o matter_n or_o hear_v our_o prayer_n for_o that_o this_o kind_n of_o prayer_n be_v conformable_a to_o holy_a writ_n be_v manife_a to_o any_o that_o be_v please_v to_o observe_v how_o god_n tell_v isaac_n 5._o isaac_n gen._n 16.4_o 5._o that_o he_o will_v bless_v he_o that_o he_o will_v give_v all_o those_o country_n to_o his_o seed_n nay_o that_o all_o nation_n of_o the_o earth_n shall_v be_v bless_v in_o it_o and_o what_o be_v the_o reason_n but_o because_o abraham_n obey_v my_o voice_n and_o keep_v my_o charge_n my_o commandment_n my_o statute_n and_o my_o law_n he_o again_o tell_v he_o 24._o pers_n 24._o that_o he_o will_v multiply_v his_o seed_n for_o his_o servant_n abraham_n sake_n then_o do_v not_o 9.17_o not_o exod._n 32.23_o deut._n 9.17_o moses_n pray_v to_o god_n for_o the_o people_n desire_v he_o to_o remember_v abraham_n isaac_n and_o israel_n and_o not_o to_o look_v upon_o the_o stubborness_n of_o the_o people_n nor_o to_o their_o wickedness_n nor_o to_o their_o sin_n do_v not_o god_n show_v mercy_n to_o 34._o to_o 3_o reg._n 11.12_o 32_o 33_o 34._o solomon_n for_o his_o father_n david_n sake_n and_o because_o again_o he_o keep_v his_o commandment_n and_o his_o statute_n so_o also_o to_o the_o city_n of_o juda_n 35._o juda_n 4_o reg._n 8_o 19-19.34-20.6_a isa_n 37_o 35._o in_o another_o place_n be_v not_o the_o same_o abraham_n isaac_n and_o jacob_n mention_v by_o 383._o by_o 3_o reg._n 18.36_o tornudike_n lib._n 3._o of_o the_o law_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 30._o pag._n 383._o elijah_n in_o his_o prayer_n at_o the_o evening_n sacrisice_n certain_o fromt_v these_o passage_n the_o same_o thorndike_n conclude_v thus_o as_o our_o saviour_n argue_v well_o that_o abraham_n isaac_n and_o jacob_n be_v alive_a and_o shall_v rise_v
make_v so_o slight_a of_o it_o nor_o call_v upon_o i_o for_o some_o reasonable_a proof_n for_o the_o falseness_n and_o impertinence_n of_o his_o assertion_n that_o the_o primitive_a father_n in_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a have_v several_a other_o intention_n but_o not_o that_o of_o assist_v they_o or_o free_v they_o from_o purgatory_n though_o the_o elder_a of_o the_o council_n i_o mention_v be_v 1400_o year_n after_o christ_n yet_o if_o he_o consider_v that_o it_o be_v before_o protestancy_n that_o both_o the_o eastern_a and_o western_a bishop_n in_o it_o consent_v to_o that_o decree_n that_o the_o act_n of_o this_o council_n be_v receive_v by_o the_o much_o major_a and_o superior_a part_n of_o the_o whole_a christian_a world_n as_o conformable_a to_o a_o practice_n deliver_v to_o they_o by_o their_o forefather_n as_o of_o faith_n and_o withal_o that_o this_o council_n be_v second_v by_o another_o as_o genreal_a as_o the_o circumstance_n of_o time_n can_v afford_v i_o say_v practice_n this_o proof_n comprehend_v scripture_n father_n tradiction_n and_o universal_a practice_n if_o he_o reflect_v upon_o these_o head_n he_o will_v see_v that_o i_o be_v not_o hard_o put_v to_o it_o for_o argument_n but_o that_o i_o comprise_v they_o all_o in_o one_o and_o send_v he_o to_o the_o council_n i_o send_v he_o at_o the_o same_o time_n to_o scripture_n father_n tradition_n and_o the_o universal_a practice_n of_o god_n church_n upon_o all_o which_o their_o desintion_n be_v manifest_o found_v they_o who_o have_v be_v hitherto_o deceive_v by_o the_o defender_n and_o those_o of_o his_o coat_n and_o make_v to_o believe_v we_o have_v nothing_o to_o say_v in_o defence_n of_o our_o tenet_n will_v do_v well_o to_o peruse_v our_o author_n and_o read_v the_o pleasure_n the_o the_o author_n of_o nubes_fw-la restium_fw-la have_v collect_v some_o of_o the_o many_o testimony_n where_o they_o who_o read_v they_o will_v see_v whether_o they_o pray_v only_o for_o the_o intention_n mention_v by_o our_o author_n and_o not_o rather_o for_o their_o help_n and_o assistance_n they_o will_v see_v also_o that_o the_o father_n deliver_v it_o as_o a_o apostolic_a doctrine_n and_o therefore_o lest_o it_o not_o to_o we_o to_o believe_v or_o not_o believe_v at_o pleasure_n father_n if_o so_o they_o will_v find_v that_o we_o establish_v our_o doctrine_n upon_o the_o primitive_a practice_n not_o only_o of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n but_o of_o the_o jewish_a synagogue_n and_o that_o we_o have_v both_o scripture_n and_o a_o sufficient_a number_n of_o father_n on_o our_o side_n nay_o they_o will_v see_v also_o that_o it_o be_v neither_o false_a nor_o foolish_a which_o i_o say_v that_o since_o the_o practice_n of_o all_o nation_n and_o the_o testimony_n of_o every_o age_n confirm_v the_o custom_n of_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a that_o they_o may_v receive_v help_n what_o can_v we_o say_v to_o they_o who_o make_v a_o breach_n in_o the_o church_n and_o condemn_v antiquity_n 59_o vendic_n p._n 59_o upon_o no_o other_o ground_n than_o abare_a supposition_n that_o it_o be_v injurious_a to_o the_o merit_n of_o jesus_n christ_n a_o supposition_n which_o yet_o have_v no_o other_o proof_n but_o their_o vain_a presumption_n how_o often_o have_v we_o call_v upon_o they_o to_o show_v we_o one_o sole_a passage_n of_o the_o ancient_n or_o one_o sole_a text_n of_o scripture_n positive_o assirm_v there_o be_v no_o purgatory_n it_o no_o father_n nor_o scripture_n against_o it_o or_o that_o the_o prayer_n which_o be_v offer_v up_o for_o the_o faithful_a depart_v avail_v they_o nothing_o but_o if_o they_o can_v show_v this_o it_o be_v neither_o foolish_a nor_o false_a to_o tell_v they_o they_o go_v upon_o bare_a supposition_n and_o their_o own_o presumption_n whilst_o scripture_n father_n and_o universal_a practice_n be_v for_o we_o part_n ii_o art_fw-la viii_o of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o general_n if_o our_o defender_n have_v a_o mind_n to_o see_v how_o we_o prove_v all_o the_o seven_o sacrament_n to_o have_v outward_a sign_n of_o a_o inward_a grace_n 43._o grace_n 43._o and_o that_o they_o be_v institute_v by_o christ_n he_o may_v be_v please_v to_o cast_v his_o eye_n a_o little_a upon_o our_o divine_n where_o he_o will_v find_v it_o ample_o prove_v but_o to_o say_v that_o not_o one_o of_o our_o church_n have_v yet_o be_v able_a to_o do_v it_o be_v so_o manifest_a a_o falsity_n as_o will_v appear_v also_o in_o the_o sequel_n that_o it_o do_v not_o need_v any_o endeavour_n to_o disprove_v it_o but_o however_o these_o thing_n must_v be_v say_v lest_o people_n shall_v open_v their_o eye_n and_o see_v the_o truth_n and_o they_o who_o pretend_v to_o be_v lover_n of_o peace_n and_o unity_n resolve_v to_o multiply_v accusation_n to_o hinder_v such_o good_a effect_n where_o lie_v the_o sincerity_n art_fw-la ix_o of_o baptism_n the_o dispute_n in_o this_o article_n be_v a_o mere_a cavil_v 44._o cavil_v 44._o proceed_v from_o the_o want_n of_o a_o right_a understanding_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n and_o a_o willingness_n to_o show_v at_o least_o some_o kind_n of_o opposition_n to_o overy_n thing_n that_o be_v say_v roman_a catholic_o protestant_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n 6._o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o lutheran_n hold_v baptism_n absolute_o necessary_a expos_fw-la doâ—t_fw-la ch._n of_o eng._n pag._n 6._o and_o lutheran_n be_v agree_v as_o to_o the_o absolute_a necessity_n of_o baptism_n and_o that_o see_v we_o be_v all_o conceive_a and_o bear_v in_o sin_n none_o can_v enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n except_o he_o be_v regenerate_v and_o bear_v anew_o of_o water_n and_o the_o holy_a spirit_n this_o the_o defender_n in_o his_o exposition_n tell_v we_o be_v the_o law_n of_o christ_n which_o the_o eternal_a truth_n have_v establish_v and_o whosoever_o shall_v presume_v to_o oppose_v it_o let_v he_o be_v anathema_n from_o this_o receive_a principle_n the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n deduce_v that_o child_n die_v without_o baptism_n do_v not_o partake_v of_o the_o grace_n of_o redemption_n but_o that_o die_v in_o adam_n christ_n therefore_o child_n die_v without_o it_o have_v no_o part_n in_o christ_n they_o have_v not_o any_o part_n in_o jesus_n christ_n and_o the_o reason_n he_o give_v for_o this_o his_o assertion_n be_v because_o child_n can_v supply_v the_o want_n of_o baptism_n by_o act_n of_o faith_n hope_n and_o charity_n nor_o by_o the_o vow_n or_o desire_v to_o receive_v this_o sacrment_n now_o because_o my_o opponent_n argue_v against_o this_o consequence_n deduce_v from_o the_o absolute_a necessity_n of_o baptism_n tell_v we_o that_o we_o ourselves_o acknowledge_v the_o desire_n etc._n etc._n of_o person_n come_v to_o year_n of_o understanding_n to_o besufficient_a to_o supply_v the_o want_n of_o their_o actual_a reception_n of_o baptism_n and_o that_o the_o desire_n of_o the_o church_n for_o child_n that_o die_v without_o it_o may_v in_o like_a manner_n suffice_v i_o answer_v there_o be_v a_o vast_a difference_n betwixt_o the_o ardent_a desire_n of_o those_o who_o be_v by_o age_n capalbe_n of_o receive_v baptism_n and_o the_o desire_n of_o the_o church_n or_o parent_n the_o one_o proceed_v from_o faith_n work_v by_o divine_a charity_n already_o infuse_v into_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o unbaptised_a person_n will_v no_o doubt_n of_o it_o produce_v a_o good_a effect_n if_o he_o extinguish_v it_o not_o by_o the_o neglect_n of_o a_o precept_n but_o the_o other_o be_v whole_o extrinsical_a to_o the_o child_n can_v affect_v the_o soul_n of_o the_o child_n unless_o by_o the_o application_n of_o that_o sacrament_n which_o jesus_n christ_n have_v institute_v as_o necessary_a to_o wash_v away_o our_o original_a gild_n against_o this_o argument_n he_o have_v nothing_o to_o say_v but_o that_o he_o be_v not_o concern_v whether_o it_o be_v better_a than_o he_o or_o no_o though_o he_o think_v i_o be_o very_o much_o that_o be_v just_o nothing_o but_o however_o the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n must_v be_v run_v down_o 45._o down_o 45._o and_o expose_v as_o a_o man_n talk_v with_o great_a rashness_n etc._n etc._n but_o to_o clear_v the_o bishop_n i_o must_v desire_v it_o may_v be_v consider_v that_o though_o we_o and_o the_o lutheran_n be_v agree_v as_o to_o the_o absolute_a necessity_n of_o baptism_n yet_o the_o calvinist_n accord_v not_o with_o we_o for_o they_o do_v not_o only_o say_v that_o they_o can_v determine_v whether_o child_n die_v without_o baptism_n may_v not_o be_v save_v by_o the_o faith_n of_o their_o parent_n but_o positive_o affirm_v they_o be_v save_v by_o that_o faith_n objerv_n the_o calvinist_n oppose_v this_o necessity_n trâ—â—â—se_o of_o communim_fw-la under_o both_o species_n 2d_o part._n part._n 6._o disc_n c.xi_o ri_fw-la vi_fw-la objerv_n and_o that_o baptism_n be_v not_o necessary_a insomuch_o that_o as_o the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n express_v it_o in_o another_o
be_v present_a in_o more_o place_n than_o one_o etc._n etc._n first_o we_o affirm_v they_o to_o be_v no_o contradiction_n a_o contradiction_n be_v a_o affirmation_n and_o negation_n of_o the_o same_o thing_n in_o the_o same_o time_n place_n manner_z and_z and_z all_o other_o circumstance_n but_o such_o a_o affirmation_n and_o negation_n be_v not_o make_v of_o christ_n presence_n in_o several_a host_n seqq_fw-la see_v the_o gull_v in_o controverly_n dâ—sc_fw-la 1._o ch_n 6._o 6._o 65_o 66._o &_o seqq_fw-la and_o second_o all_o those_o who_o affirm_v a_o real_a presence_n as_o the_o english_a protestant_n seem_v to_o do_v have_v the_o same_o difficulty_n to_o overcome_v and_o none_o but_o the_o sacramentarian_o who_o affirm_v the_o presence_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n to_o be_v mere_o figurative_a as_o the_o king_n be_v say_v to_o be_v present_a in_o his_o picture_n coin_n or_o charter_n be_v free_a from_o they_o have_v thus_o explicate_v our_o tenet_n with_o respect_n to_o those_o of_o our_o adversary_n we_o come_v now_o to_o show_v upon_o what_o ground_n we_o believe_v they_o sect_n 2._o some_o reason_n for_o our_o doctrine_n the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o true_a real_a this_o real_a 72._o all_o the_o proof_n for_o a_o article_n of_o fatith_n concur_v for_o this_o and_o substantial_a presence_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o jesus_n christ_n in_o the_o bless_a sacrament_n and_o the_o absence_n of_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n be_v so_o certain_o a_o reveal_v truth_n that_o there_o be_v scarce_o any_o one_o article_n of_o christian_a faith_n that_o christ_n seem_v to_o have_v take_v so_o much_o care_n to_o establish_v as_o this_o all_o the_o usual_a argument_n that_o be_v bring_v at_o any_o time_n to_o confirm_v we_o that_o a_o truth_n have_v be_v reveal_v occur_v here_o and_o by_o a_o unite_a force_n confirm_v one_o another_o and_o strengthen_v our_o belief_n beyond_o exception_n if_o we_o cast_v our_o eye_n into_o the_o old_a testament_n we_o there_o find_v the_o 3._o the_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n offer_v by_o melchisedech_n gen._n 14.18_o the_o bread_n of_o proposition_n exodâ—0_n â—0_z 23_o 1_o same_o 31.40_o &_o seâ—q_n the_o bread_n which_o the_o prophet_n elias_n have_v eat_v by_o the_o command_n of_o a_o angel_n walk_v in_o the_o strength_n of_o it_o sorty_fw-la day_n to_o the_o mountain_n of_o god_n horeb._n 3_o reg._n 19.6_o the_o paschal_n lamb_n exod._n 12._o the_o blood_n of_o the_o testament_n exod._n 24.6_o heb._n 9.20_o manna_n exod._n 16._o compare_v with_o john_n 6.49_o &_o 1_o cor._n 10.2_o if_o any_o one_o doubt_n whether_o these_o be_v sigure_n of_o the_o eucharist_n or_o noâ—_n let_v they_o read_v st._n cyprian_a st._n ambrose_n st._n jerome_n and_o the_o other_o autient_a father_n cite_v by_o cardinal_n bellarmin_n lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr euchar._n c._n 3._o figure_n of_o this_o unbloody_a sacrifice_n which_o must_v necessary_o express_v something_o more_o excellent_a than_o themselves_o if_o we_o look_v into_o the_o 1.11_o the_o isaâ—as_n 25.6_o zach._n 10.17_o malac_n 1.11_o prophet_n we_o find_v their_o prophecy_n can_v be_v fulfil_v in_o a_o figurative_a presence_n if_o we_o come_v to_o the_o new_a law_n we_o find_v not_o only_o a_o express_a world_n express_a john_n 6.51_o the_o bread_n which_o i_o will_v give_v be_v my_o flesh_n for_o the_o life_n of_o the_o world_n promise_n from_o christ_n himself_o but_o 1556._o but_o matth._n 26.26_o marc._n 14.22_o this_o be_v my_o body_n this_o be_v my_o bloâ—d_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n which_o shall_v be_v shed_v for_o many_o or_o as_o the_o protestant_n â—ender_v it_o which_o be_v shed_v for_o many_o for_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n luke_n 22.19_o this_o be_v my_o body_n which_o be_v give_v i._n offer_v for_o you_o from_o whence_o the_o ancient_a father_n conclude_v not_o only_o the_o real_a presence_n but_o its_o presence_n as_o a_o sacrifice_n although_o sense_n tell_v the_o it_o be_v bread_n yet_o it_o be_v the_o body_n according_a to_o his_o word_n let_v faith_n confirm_v thou_o judge_v not_o by_o sense_n after_o the_o word_n of_o our_o lord_n let_v no_o doubt_n rise_v in_o thy_o mind_n cyril_n mystag_n 4._o of_o the_o verity_n of_o fiesh_n and_o blood_n there_o be_v leave_v no_o place_n to_o doubt_v by_o the_o profession_n of_o our_o lord_n himself_o and_o by_o our_o faith_n it_o be_v flesh_n and_o blood_n indeed_o be_v not_o this_o true_a to_o they_o be_v it_o untrue_a who_o deny_v jesus_n christ_n to_o be_v true_a god._n hilar._n lib._n 8._o de_fw-la trinit_fw-la vers_fw-la 10_o this_o be_v the_o chalice_n the_o new_a testament_n in_o my_o blood_n which_o chalice_n shall_v be_v or_o i._o shed_v for_o you_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d it_o appear_v to_o beza_n so_o clear_a that_o if_o it_o be_v the_o cup_n or_o chalice_n that_o be_v shed_v for_o we_o it_o must_v contain_v in_o it_o true_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n and_o be_v proper_o a_o sacrifice_n that_o he_o can_v find_v no_o evasion_n but_o to_o call_v it_o a_o soloecism_n or_o incongruity_n of_o speech_n or_o else_o that_o the_o word_n which_o yet_o he_o confess_v to_o be_v in_o all_o copy_n greek_a and_o latin_a be_v thrust_v into_o the_o text_n out_o of_o the_o margin_n see_v his_o annotation_n upon_o the_o new_a testament_n 1556._o three_o evangelist_n and_o 10.6.11.24_o and_o 1_o cor._n 10.6.11.24_o st._n paul_n relate_v the_o institute_n in_o such_o word_n that_o many_o of_o our_o adversary_n themselves_o confess_v that_o if_o they_o must_v be_v take_v literal_o we_o have_v gain_v our_o cause_n if_o we_o look_v into_o antiquity_n and_o the_o write_n of_o the_o controversy_n the_o see_v nubes_fw-la testâ—um_fw-la from_o pag._n 99_o to_o 150._o conseusus_fw-la veterum_fw-la and_o the_o many_o other_o book_n former_o write_v upon_o this_o subject_a as_o gualter_v cronology_n coâ—cii_n thesaurus_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o which_o you_o may_v see_v a_o collection_n of_o the_o plain_a testimony_n of_o father_n and_o eminent_a writer_n in_o every_o age_n from_o the_o apostle_n time_n to_o our_o age_n not_o only_o concern_v this_o article_n of_o transubstantiation_n but_o most_o other_o now_o in_o controversy_n primitive_a father_n of_o the_o first_o 600_o year_n we_o find_v the_o manifest_a 2._o manifest_a all_o the_o ancient_a liturgy_n be_v a_o sufficient_a testimony_n of_o this_o in_o which_o as_o blondel_n himself_o though_o a_o huguenot_n confess_v the_o prayer_n in_o the_o consecration_n of_o the_o element_n be_v to_o this_o purpose_n that_o god_n troll_v by_o his_o holy_a spirit_n sanctify_v the_o element_n whereby_o the_o bread_n may_v be_v make_v the_o body_n and_o the_o wine_n the_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n the_o adoration_n also_o which_o be_v pay_v to_o our_o bless_a saviour_n there_o present_a show_v their_o belief_n see_v st._n ambr._n the_o spir_n lib._n 3._o c._n 12._o and_o st._n aug._n in_o ps_n 98.5_o who_o upon_o these_o word_n adorate_v scabellum_fw-la pedum_fw-la ejus_fw-la tell_v we_o that_o christ_n have_v give_v his_o flesh_n to_o be_v eat_v by_o we_o for_o our_o salvation_n now_o no_o man_n eat_v this_o except_o he_o first_o adore_v it_o and_o moreover_o say_v he_o we_o do_v not_o only_o not_o sin_n by_o adore_v it_o but_o we_o shall_v sin_v if_o we_o do_v not_o adore_v it_o see_v consideration_n upon_o the_o council_n of_o tren_n chap._n 16._o 16._o 32._o digress_v digress_v 20._o etc._n etc._n also_o protestant_a apolegy_n tract_n 1._o sect._n 3_o subd_v 2._o practice_n of_o this_o belief_n if_o into_o the_o late_a age_n we_o find_v for_o above_o apology_n above_o this_o have_v be_v sufficient_o show_v by_o the_o aforesaid_a author_n and_o mounseur_fw-fr arnold_n in_o his_o perpetuite_n de_fw-fr la_fw-fr foy_fw-fr and_o the_o plain_a concession_n of_o protestant_n as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o protestant_a apology_n 1000_o year_n such_o a_o uniformity_n among_o all_o christian_n that_o scarce_o one_o person_n who_o deserve_v the_o name_n of_o pastor_n that_o be_v scarce_o one_o bishop_n either_o in_o the_o â—_o the_o as_o to_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o greek_a and_o latin_n see_v the_o guide_n in_o controversy_n disc_n 3._o ch_n â—_o greek_a or_o latin_a church_n but_o embrace_v it_o there_o be_v scarce_o any_o nation_n in_o the_o world_n in_o which_o a_o synod_n have_v be_v hold_v since_o this_o last_o 600_o year_n that_o be_v since_o berengarius_fw-la begin_v to_o broach_v the_o contrary_a error_n but_o have_v declare_v their_o constant_a belief_n of_o transubstantiation_n and_o the_o most_o 57_o most_o guide_v in_o controversy_n dise_z 1._o ch_n 6._o 6._o 57_o general_a council_n that_o those_o age_n can_v afford_v have_v confirm_v it_o by_o their_o definition_n and_o condemn_v the_o contrary_a opinion_n with_o their_o anathema_n so_o that_o if_o council_n both_o national_a and_o general_n have_v any_o authority_n if_o the_o consent_n
of_o all_o church_n for_o a_o 1000_o year_n have_v any_o weight_n if_o the_o clear_a write_n of_o ancient_a father_n long_o before_o our_o contest_v have_v any_o force_n if_o scripture_n itself_o both_o old_a and_o new_a when_o thus_o interpret_v be_v of_o any_o moment_n we_o must_v necessary_o conclude_v that_o jesus_n christ_n give_v his_o disciple_n true_o real_o and_o substantial_o his_o body_n and_o blood_n under_o the_o appearance_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n in_o the_o sacrament_n have_v we_o not_o such_o clear_a proof_n from_o antiquity_n yet_o certain_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o much_o major_a and_o superior_a part_n of_o christian_n for_o this_o last_o 600_o year_n will_v be_v sufficient_a to_o any_o reasonable_a mind_n who_o will_v but_o consider_v that_o if_o it_o have_v not_o be_v teach_v by_o jesus_n christ_n those_o person_n who_o introduce_v it_o and_o those_o who_o follow_v they_o will_v have_v be_v guilty_a of_o idolatry_n as_o the_o test_n and_o some_o protestant_n now_o accuse_v we_o to_o be_v and_o by_o consequence_n the_o whole_a church_n which_o teach_v and_o practise_v it_o during_o that_o time_n will_v have_v err_v in_o fundamental_o and_o teach_v a_o damnable_a doctrine_n destructive_a of_o salvation_n contrary_a to_o the_o promise_n of_o jesus_n christ_n that_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o she_o but_o when_o we_o find_v that_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n and_o those_o other_o in_o berengarius_n time_n be_v so_o far_o from_o pretend_v that_o they_o introduce_v a_o new_a doctrine_n excogitated_a by_o themselves_o or_o invent_v by_o some_o of_o their_o learned_a predecessor_n that_o they_o free_o and_o full_o declare_v that_o it_o have_v be_v deliver_v to_o they_o as_o a_o doctrine_n teach_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n that_o their_o predecessor_n in_o their_o several_a respective_a country_n have_v teach_v they_o the_o same_o and_o practise_v it_o that_o all_o their_o historian_n and_o ancient_a writer_n have_v confirm_v it_o when_o we_o consider_v also_o how_o impossible_a it_o be_v that_o if_o the_o figurative_a presence_n have_v be_v once_o the_o establish_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o real_a presence_n can_v have_v gain_v such_o credit_n that_o all_o christian_n in_o all_o country_n shall_v consent_v to_o it_o and_o commit_v manifest_a idolatry_n wilful_o against_o their_o former_a belief_n no_o one_o of_o the_o many_o learned_a pious_a and_o courageous_a bishop_n who_o be_v vigilant_a in_o oppose_v the_o small_a grow_a error_n ever_o speak_v of_o this_o as_o a_o erroneous_a doctrine_n or_o as_o a_o novelty_n i_o say_v when_o we_o consider_v all_o these_o thing_n which_o have_v be_v so_o full_o and_o so_o often_o prove_v that_o nothing_o but_o impudence_n can_v deny_v they_o how_o can_v we_o have_v the_o least_o difficulty_n in_o believe_v this_o doctrine_n to_o be_v that_o of_o jesus_n christ_n or_o his_o word_n not_o to_o be_v literal_o true_a thus_o much_o for_o our_o ground_n i_o come_v now_o to_o show_v the_o weakness_n of_o my_o opponent_n argument_n against_o they_o and_o our_o doctrine_n sect_n 3._o objection_n answer_v before_o i_o begin_v to_o answer_v my_o adversary_n objection_n 73._o objection_n 73._o i_o must_v desire_v my_o reader_n to_o consider_v that_o catholic_n be_v in_o possession_n of_o this_o belief_n of_o the_o real_a and_o substantial_a presence_n of_o jesus_n christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o that_o protestant_n who_o will_v throw_v we_o out_o of_o possession_n be_v the_o aggressor_n now_o as_o a_o possessor_n of_o a_o estate_n time_n out_o of_o mind_n be_v not_o condemn_v if_o he_o proceed_v upon_o a_o supposition_n that_o the_o deed_n of_o gift_n by_o which_o his_o ancestor_n first_o possess_v that_o estate_n be_v good_a in_o like_a manner_n must_v it_o be_v with_o we_o we_o believe_v that_o jesus_n christ_n pronounce_v those_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n aggressor_n catholic_o be_v in_o possession_n be_v the_o defender_n protestant_n the_o aggressor_n change_v the_o bread_n into_o his_o body_n we_o receive_v this_o belief_n from_o our_o predecessor_n and_o they_o from_o they_o we_o therefore_o who_o be_v in_o possession_n and_o be_v to_o defend_v our_o right_n can_v be_v condemn_v if_o we_o suppose_v our_o belief_n to_o be_v true_a but_o as_o on_o the_o other_o hand_n a_o aggressor_n be_v not_o to_o be_v hear_v if_o he_o only_o suppose_v the_o deed_n of_o gift_n to_o be_v void_a and_o argue_v from_o thence_o that_o the_o possession_n be_v unlawful_a so_o ought_v it_o also_o to_o be_v with_o they_o who_o oppose_v we_o if_o they_o only_o suppose_v our_o bless_a saviour_n do_v not_o change_v the_o bread_n into_o his_o body_n by_o those_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n and_o argue_v mere_o upon_o that_o supposition_n they_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v hear_v they_o be_v to_o prove_v he_o do_v not_o make_v that_o change_n possession_n protestant_n must_v therefore_o bring_v clear_a and_o undeniable_a proof_n against_o our_o possession_n and_o not_o only_o to_o suppose_v it_o they_o be_v to_o prove_v his_o word_n can_v possible_o be_v take_v in_o a_o literal_a sense_n and_o not_o only_o that_o they_o may_v be_v take_v figurative_o they_o be_v to_o prove_v that_o we_o be_v oblige_v to_o take_v the_o word_n in_o a_o figurative_a sense_n and_o not_o only_o to_o show_v they_o they_o may_v lead_v we_o to_o it_o our_o possession_n be_v a_o manifest_a proof_n against_o their_o supposition_n and_o we_o need_v no_o more_o this_o be_v consider_v let_v we_o now_o weigh_v my_o adversary_n argument_n answer_v argument_n from_o scripture_n answer_v and_o first_o those_o from_o scripture_n his_o first_o argument_n be_v reduce_v by_o himself_o to_o this_o syllogism_n if_o the_o relative_n this_o in_o that_o proposition_n this_o be_v my_o body_n belong_v to_o the_o bread_n so_o that_o the_o meaning_n be_v this_o bread_n be_v my_o body_n institute_n body_n 74._o first_o objection_n from_o the_o word_n of_o the_o institute_n than_o it_o must_v be_v understand_v figurative_o or_o it_o be_v plain_o absurd_a and_o impossible_a but_o the_o relative_n this_o in_o that_o proposition_n this_o be_v my_o body_n do_v belong_v to_o the_o bread_n forasmuch_o as_o christ_n take_v bread_n and_o bless_a bread_n and_o give_v bread_n to_o his_o disciple_n and_o therefore_o say_v of_o bread_n this_o be_v my_o body_n therefore_o that_o proposition_n this_o be_v my_o body_n must_v be_v understand_v figurative_o or_o it_o be_v plain_o absurd_a and_o impossible_a the_o major_a or_o first_o proposition_n he_o tell_v we_o be_v our_o common_a concession_n in_o answer_n to_o which_o i_o say_v answer_v answer_v if_o he_o understand_v the_o major_a in_o luther_n sense_n as_o bellarmin_n and_o gratian_n do_v who_o he_o cite_v for_o it_o that_o be_v that_o the_o word_n this_o in_o that_o proposition_n this_o be_v my_o body_n shall_v so_o signify_v bread_n that_o the_o meaning_n of_o it_o be_v this_o true_o wheaten_a bread_n remain_v such_o be_v also_o true_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n i_o grant_v it_o for_o as_o i_o tell_v he_o before_o from_o the_o cardinal_n it_o imply_v a_o contradiction_n for_o it_o can_v possible_o be_v that_o one_o thing_n shall_v not_o be_v change_v and_o yet_o shall_v be_v another_o because_o it_o will_v be_v that_o thing_n and_o not_o that_o thing_n but_o if_o he_o mean_v by_o his_o major_n that_o the_o word_n this_o in_o that_o proposition_n this_o be_v my_o body_n have_v such_o a_o reference_n to_o bread_n that_o the_o meaning_n be_v this_o bread_n be_v my_o body_n that_o be_v this_o substance_n of_o bread_n which_o i_o take_v in_o my_o hand_n i_o do_v by_o these_o word_n change_v into_o the_o substance_n of_o my_o body_n i_o deny_v it_o neither_o be_v it_o our_o common_a concession_n for_o in_o that_o sense_n it_o be_v neither_o a_o absurdity_n nor_o impossibility_n to_o understand_v the_o proposition_n literal_o so_o that_o you_o see_v luther_n will_v have_v no_o change_n and_o will_v yet_o have_v the_o word_n to_o be_v understand_v literal_o and_o we_o call_v that_o a_o absurdity_n catholic_n admit_v of_o a_o change_n and_o so_o understand_v they_o literal_o which_o be_v far_o from_o be_v either_o impossible_a or_o absurd_a we_o argue_v that_o the_o proposition_n in_o luther_n sense_n admit_v of_o no_o change_n be_v false_a absurd_a and_o impossible_a unless_o it_o be_v take_v figurative_o but_o in_o our_o own_o fence_n admit_v a_o change_n be_v true_a and_o genuine_a and_o need_v not_o be_v take_v figurative_o his_o minor_a or_o second_o proposition_n he_o tell_v we_o be_v beauty_n own_o grant_n nay_o what_o he_o contend_v for_o be_v this_o learned_a cardinal_n then_o so_o great_a a_o blockhead_n as_o to_o maintain_v that_o the_o word_n ought_v to_o be_v take_v literal_o and_o yet_o at_o the_o same_o time_n to_o