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A77397 Anabaptism, the true fountaine of Independency, Brownisme, [double brace] Antinomy, Familisme, and the most of the other errours, which for the time doe trouble the Church of England, unsealed. Also the questions of pædobaptisme and dipping handled from Scripture. In a second part of the Disswasive from the errors of the time. / By Robert Baillie minister at Glasgow. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. Dissuasive from the errours of the time. 1647 (1647) Wing B452A; Thomason E369_9; ESTC R38567 187,930 235

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belong to the soul they may compell men by their Laws and Edicts to come unto Ecclesiastick meetings it cannot be denied but by this means faith and the conscience are forced Christian liberty is taken away and a Mosaick compulsion is put in its place DD Bullinger p. 18. That a Christian ought not to be a Magistrate that Christians ought not to resist them that offer violence and so have no use of any Judicatories Hortensius p. 13. All Magistrates are to be put down it is necessary to oppose Magistracy with all our might EE Hortensius p. 13. The Anabaptists increasing much every where did exercise Jurisdiction among themselves in private houses they punished their own members even unto death FF Hortensius p 13. Though the Apostles had not the right of the sword yet unto their followers now God hath given power to take away the prophane Magistrate by the sword as they thought meet Bullinger p. 3. They taught that God had revealed to them that all Princes and Nobles were to be cast down that God had given to them the sword of Gedeon against all Tyrants to set at liberty the people of God and to set up the new Kingdome of Christ upon earth GG Historia Davidis Georgii p. 11. The Battenburgicks avowed that peace and grace was removed from the earth after the time that the gracious offer made by Becold was refused henceforth the refusers were to be killed with the sword HH Bullinger p. 2. all of their society were to be counted elect and children of God all others were to be counted wicked and to be killed III Hortensius p. 13. Before the last day Christ was to have a temporall Kingdom upon the earth here only the Saints should bear rule all Princes being cut off by the sword and that now this Kingdome was begun in the Anabaptists Guy du Brez p. 5. They preached their dreams as divine oracles to wit that there should come a new world wherein dwelled righteousnesse and for this cause it was necessary to root out of the earth all the wicked with all Princes and infidell Magistrates all that was not of their sect and faction they called infidels KK Historia Davidis p. 9. The Monasterians did affirm that the time wherein the Saints were to be afflicted was come to an end that the time of the Harvest was now come wherein God would revenge and deliver his people and put their enemies under their feet LL Hortensius p. 14. To spoyl the Temples they counted it lawfull saying that the Jews of old had done the like when under the command of Moses they went away l●aden with the spoyls of the Egyptians Also Bullinger p. 61. At this time some lofty spirits promise great things to themselves before the last day as the Jews of old did abuse the fair promises of the Prophets all which they understood carnally and according to the letter MM Hortensius p. 31. O Becold the Father gives to thee the sword and cals thee to be King that thou maist reign in Sion c. NN Hortensius p. 30. The King said that he was appointed of God to be King to take ●●ay 〈…〉 men by the sword that he was to go throrow the world and to execute with death all that did not beleeve OO Hortensius p. 37. Commonly the men had five wives many sixe some seven or eight PP Sleidan l. 10. p. 274. The complaints that were brought to the King for the most part concerned Divorces these were most frequent so that some who had lived together till old age were put asunder QQ Vide supra Cap. 1. RR Vide supra Cap. 1. SS Heresbachius p. 43. Let no man have any proper goods but let all be brought and laid down at the feet of the Preachers after the example of the ancient Christians TT Heresbachius p. 152. The Famine in Munster was equall to that of Jerusalem for the Soldiers searching the houses for prey did finde the legges and arms of the young children salted for food yet the King and Rotman and Knipperdolling had good enough provision VV Hortensius p. 37. Their Law was to accompany with their wives while they had conceived XX Historia Davidis p. 28. These Saints were exempted from all laws of Matrimony of bloud and affinity the difference of Father Mother Brother Sister among them doth cease and evanish XX 2 Bullinger p. 37. They did perswade the women that they did sin grievously if they kept company with their own husbands who remained Pagans and were not yet rebaptized but that they sinned not in keeping company with any Anabaptists because among all them was a spirituall matrimony YY Historia Davidis Georgii p. 43. Shame was contracted through sin and now is to be laid aside so by faith in Christ all that shame for the secrets of nature is to be cast away ZZ Ibid. p. 28 29. The words are so abominable that I cannot translate them AAA Historia Davidis p. 36. David Georgius went to glory of his mysteries as if they had never entred in the minde either of men or Angels but had been reserved to the last times that with their new light the old Doctrines of the Prophets and the Apostles were to be darkned as the starres are put out by the brightnesse of the rising Sun BBB Vide supra AAA CCC Historia Dav. p. 52. The tenet of the Catholick Church concerning Angels and Devils that they are invisible spirits created of God in their own distinct substances separate from men is nugatorious that the Angels are only qualities and motions which God inspires into men that the Devils are nothing but only boggles in the night to terrifie men arising from mens imaginations DDD Bullinger as I remember ascribes this to some of the Anabaptists EEE Historia Dav. p. 52. That heaven and hell Christs last comming and Judgement life eternall c. are no where to be expected but within a man Ibid. p. 51. The place of eternall happinesse shall not be above us in the heaven but upon the earth Ibid. p. 50. In the last judgement there shall be no other change in the heaven and in the earth then we see dayly what the Apostle speaks of such a change is to be referred to the manners and mindes of men not unto the outward elements FFF Historia Dav. p. 50. The second comming of Christ shall not be seen with bodily eyes but spiritually it is even now performed within in the minde GGG Historia Dav. p. 44. In this time of perfection all outward worship all rites and Sacraments must cease and evanish HHH Historia Dav. p. 43. Many of these things were exhibit in Christ Jesus and his Apostolick Church but only according to the letter and the body not according to the spirit who at that time was not exhibit III Apocalypsis in Davide Georgio He avowed that he had absolute authority to condemne and to quicken and that in the last day he was to judge the twelve Tribes of
that every man might marry so many wives as he pleased OO Also the Law of Divorce was brought back giving leave to a man upon his meer will without any fault alledged and without the cognizance of any Judge to put away his wife PP yea to kill any of his wives whether publickly as himself did in the open Market place QQ or privately as their next King did in a wood of Freezland RR This also was a Law of that Kingdom Robberies also that beside the falling upon all the goods of all the wicked world as a most lawfull spoyl there behoved to be a liberty to make use of all that belonged to any of the Saints That all things among them behoved to be common SS yet so that the King and his Courtiers might lawfully live in plenty while all the other Saints in that their new Jerusalem were starving with excessive penury TT It is visible whither Satan intends to lead proud hypocrites Their hypocrisie ended in the open practice of crimes extremely contrary to their professions these men who in their own eyes were so holy Saints as they behoved in the tendernesse of their conscience to separate from the best reformed Churches these men who talked of nothing but mortification of the flesh who counted it unlawfull to defend their life by the sword or to exercise the meanest Magistracy or to have any propriety in the smallest portion of goods or to know their own wives after they were conceived VV in a short time they came to preach and practice as very lawfull and warrantable to make themselves absolute Kings and Monarchs of the whole earth to live and die in as many adulteries and incests as they pleased in as great plenty of wealth as by any secret theft or open robbery they were able to catch Their abominable unclearnesse It could hardly be imagined that the Devil himself had been able to lead any reasonable creatures into so grievous errors did we not know to how much grosser these same horrible hypocrites who upon the profession of their own holiness refused cōmunion with all other men had been led away by that evill spirit divers of them not being content with the adulteries of Polygamy have loosed the bonds of all matrimony yea of all naturall relations XX telling us as in the former Chapter was remarked that among the Saints there ought to be no difference of husband and wife Father and daughter brother and sister that such differences were only for imperfect worldlings So soon as a woman turned Anabaptist they made her company with her own husband unlawfull but with all men of her own Religion lawfull upon divers wicked grounds XX 2 Farther that the shame which nature has imprinted in the heart of the most barbarous Pagans to cover their nakednesse must be cast away YY and thereafter that all kinde of incestuous commixtions are not only lawfull but also that they are the very acts of holinesse and mortification ZZ These be the profound mysteries which the Anabaptists have brought into the world this is the fruit of their quatriduall fastings of their extatick prayers of their heavenly raptures and revelations They deny both old and new Testament These might have seemed the very quintessence of all imaginable absurdities if the enemy of all truth had not given us in the same miserable hypocrites a further experiment of his skill in seducing they tell us therefore yet of rarer novelties of new more excellent lights which they have brought out of heaven AAA Having cast away first the old Testament as removed by the Gospel and then the Gospel it self as a shadow put away by the greater light of their new Prophets BBB these impediments of holy Scripture being fully removed the new perfect Doctrine which they bring us is first that there is not any created spirit They deny angels and devils and souls that Angels and Devils are not substances but meer qualities CCC that the spirits of men are but terrestriall vapour like the life of beasts perishing with the body DDD They deny heaven and hell eternall life Secondly that there is no such thing as heaven or hell as life or death eternall EEE that all the resurrection and glory to be expected are in this life FFF Thirdly They cast away all the ordinances of God that the greatest happinesse possible is to cast away and give over all such services as the Scripture prescribes to put away Baptisme the Lords Supper and Preaching of the word GGG to follow the directions of the new great Prophet David George Fourthly that this David George was the only spirituall Christ David George to them was spirituall Christ much more excellent then Christ crucified that Jesus and his Apostles and all their Doctrine were but carnall HHH that David George was to judge the world III that the irremissible transgression was only a wrong against him that whoever would maintain Jesus Christ to be equall with him or the Gospel of the Apostles to be like unto his Doctrine did sin against the holy Ghost and was certainly damned KKK The absurdities of the worst Hereticks of old the calumnies invented by Pagans against the ancient Christians were nothing so horrible though all had been true as these Doctrines and practises whereof the unquestionable testimonies of grave Writers make many of the old Anabaptists most certainly guilty But that which herein I most admire is Many people were ready to seal with their bloud all these abominations that ever poore people could be brought to beleeve so firmly the former absurdities as to suffer most willingly all extremities and exceeding chearfully to offer their very life for the worst of them LLL so long as their Master David did require such seals and testimonies to his Doctrine Thereafter indeed he changed that principle of suffering for the truth and permitted his followers not only to dissemble their own Religion but also to joyn without any scruple in any profession in any religious exercise of any people among whom they lived for he taught them that God was content with the heart alone and gave liberty for all men to imploy their body and the whole outward man in the service of the falsest Religion rather then he should suffer the smallest inconvenience The monster David George did live and die in plenty and peace The other object of my admiration is the infinite patience of God who suffered the Father of such monsters to lead his life in ease and security to go on in peace and plenty with a great shew both of Religion and vertue and the good opinion of his neighbours to his old age and dying day MMM Such snares does the Lord in his wisdome rain down on the wicked world that they who never loved the truth may be intangled irrecoverably in the bonds of error The best of the Anabaptists have very grosse errours I grant many of the
it all into fancies FFFFF Some of them make the world eternall others all creatures to perish They make God personally to subsist in every creature they make him the life of all the living and his essence the proper form of all things GGGGG Some of them make the world eternall going on in a continuall generation and succession of things as now we see them HHHHH others make all to be destroyed Some deny all resurrection others makes the bests rise to glory heaven and earth and what ever is therein for ever to perish and nothing of any creature to remain but that portion of the Divine essence which was in them and gave them their beeing IIIII Some of them that admit of a resurrection after this life make it generall of all creatures that ever have been even of beasts birds and fishes to a new life of glory KKKKK They teach abominable obscenities I reade not that their Doctrine is yet so extremely obscene as that of David George yet here also they are come prety near him for two of their Teachers M. Gorting and Mistresse Attaway with their Disciples have declared themselves for the dissolution of all unequall Marriages and such are all those with persons of a different mind from themselves LLLLL That which we have heard of their practising of incest is now publickly avowed in print they do not with David George lay aside all naturall relations in matter of marriage they will not passe the consideration of Father and Mother Brother and Sister but which is worse they will have these relations to be grounds of a Matrimoniall conjunction as if these marriages were most laudable which are betwixt persons nearest in bloud Brother and Sister Father and Daughter Mother and Sonne Uncle and Neece this spirit of abominable villany doth now walk in publick among us MMMMM whereunto if you will adde M. Miltons doctrine of dismissing wives so oft as men please MMMMM 2 you shall make it lawfull for every man once a month to marry if they were thirty of his nearest kinswomen a wickednesse which David George himself did never think of They follow David George in his greatest absurdities But that which was David George his chief wickednesse in debasing the administrations of God and advancing himself above all that is called God making the dispensation of the Law the Kingdome of the Father the preaching of the Gospel the carnall Kingdome of the Son but his own Ministery to be above both the Ministery of the holy Ghost in a new world of love whereof himself was the great Prophet farre more excellent then all before him this madnesse is also in the midst of us Attaway made it the subject of divers of her Sermons that the Kingdom of the holy Ghost and of love more excellent then that of Christs was now at the doors NNNNN That Jerusalem was quickly to be builded and from thence extraordinary Prophets to be sent for the preaching of the eternall Gospel OOOOO And now much sooner then we expected before one stone is laid in Jerusalem behold the great Prophet is come and has printed his Divine light The Divine light of their new great Prophet proclaiming himself the anointed of the Lord for this great service of preaching the eternall Gospel PPPPP assuring that all who opposeth him are not onely apostates Arians Antichrists The fall of Adam the clearest Scriptures are but allegories but also very incarnate Devils QQQQQ The rare mysteries which this great Prophet brings to the world from heaven are these Doctrines That the eating of the forbidden tree the burning of the world with fire and such other Scriptures are but meer allegories RRRRR That the humane nature of Christ is a Person The whole Trinity suffered in the person of Christs humanity That there is no union of the second Person of the Godhead therewith but that all the three Persons in the time of the Passion did come down and subsist in his humane Person That all the three Persons did truly suffer in the humane Person of Christ and that by the Passion of the Godhead of all the three Persons alike the world was redeemed SSSSS That the Passion of the Trinity in the humane Person of Christ was nothing but the conflict of the two Divine Attributes Mercy and Justice the one with the other TTTTT That the former days of the Gospel were Christs private Kingdome and the world of Esaus curse wherein Christ did sit as a Judge to torment and condemne the reprobate VVVVV But now since he the great Prophet The great light which this Prophet brings from heaven is that all the Devils and all the reprobates shall be saved by his Gospel the Lords annoynted began to Preach the new and the last world is come the world of Jacobs blessing the time of the Spirits Ministery of Christs publick Kingdome wherein the eternall Gospel is preached XXXXX That the summe of this Gospel is the salvation of all without exception even of the Devils and of those who were damned by Christ in the world of Esaus curse YYYYY That saving faith is nothing but the belief of this universall salvation ZZZZZ That whoever beleeves it not shall be damned that is they shall undergoe for some time hels torment though at last with the Devils they be delivered therefrom That by this faith any three or four persons may become so strong sons of God as to save not onely themselves but a world of misbelievers AAAAAA Randals grosse Familisme It were long to enumerate all the abominations that are among many of these who goe under the name of Anabaptists it will be hard to name any of the conceits of their Fathers in Germany which is not here entertained by some one or other I am sure the incomparably worst of the Sects over Sea was that of the Georgians and among us the Familists are their naturall brood what they have learned from Henry Nicholas and he from David George we may see it yet more distinctly in two late Writs The discovery of Familisme The description and confutation of Familisme We reade in the first that a great many who have been counted zealous and gracious are now of that Sect BBBBBB That a great man a Peer of the Land and divers Doctors of Divinity are of that number CCCCCC That M. Randall for some years has preached peaceably at the Spittle to as great a multitude of people as follows any Sectary about the City That the learned Author of the Discovery did hear him preach the following positions who wrote them down with a refutation and before many witnesses sent them to him to be answered No resurrection no heaven no hell after this life To wit first that all the resurrection and glory which Scripture promises is past already and no other comming of Christ to judgement or life eternall is to be expected then what presently in this earth the Saints