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A70690 Observations on the four letters of Dr. John Wallis concerning the Trinity and the Creed of Athanasius Nye, Stephen, 1648?-1719. 1691 (1691) Wing N1508A; ESTC R41199 24,893 22

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do_v think_v this_o be_v a_o harsh_a way_n of_o speak_v yet_o for_o peace_n sake_n they_o will_v admit_v this_o explication_n the_o doctor_n be_v explication_n of_o the_o athanasian_n creed_n consider_v it_o be_v with_o great_a expectation_n that_o i_o begin_v to_o read_v dr._n wallis_n his_o three_o letter_n because_o it_o bear_v this_o ambitious_a front_n a_o explication_n and_o vindication_n of_o the_o athanasian_n creed_n i_o suppose_v he_o will_v attempt_v to_o assoil_v all_o the_o difficulty_n and_o contradiction_n object_v to_o it_o at_o least_o those_o in_o the_o brief_a note_n on_o that_o creed_n but_o he_o mean_v no_o more_o by_o this_o title_n but_o this_o a_o explication_n of_o the_o damnatory_a clause_n in_o the_o athanasian_n creed_n this_o be_v to_o i_o a_o wonderful_a disappointment_n however_o i_o will_v be_v content_a to_o consider_v what_o dr._n wallis_n think_v worthy_a to_o offer_v he_o say_v lett._n 3_o pag._n 4._o whosoever_o will_v be_v save_v before_o all_o thing_n it_o be_v necessary_a that_o he_o hold_v the_o catholic_n faith_n where_o say_v the_o doctor_n before_o all_o thing_n be_v as_o much_o as_o imprimis_fw-la import_v that_o it_o be_v main_o necessary_a or_o be_v a_o principal_a requisite_a be_v there_o ever_o a_o great_a force_n put_v upon_o word_n it_o be_v before_o all_o thing_n necessary_a say_v the_o creed_n that_o s_o say_v the_o gloss_n it_o be_v a_o principal_a requisite_a i_o always_o think_v there_o have_v be_v a_o immense_a difference_n between_o necessary_a and_o requisite_a and_o that_o abundance_n of_o thing_n have_v be_v main_o or_o principal_o requisite_a which_o yet_o be_v not_o indispensable_o or_o before_o all_o thing_n necessary_a but_o which_o of_o these_o athanasius_n mean_v the_o next_o clause_n put_v out_o of_o question_n which_o faith_n say_v the_o creed_n except_o every_o one_o do_v keep_v whole_a and_o undefiled_a without_o doubt_n he_o shall_v perish_v everlasting_o the_o grammatical_a and_o obvious_a sense_n of_o these_o word_n be_v this_o that_o man_n or_o woman_n shall_v perish_v everlasting_o who_o do_v not_o believe_v and_o profess_v this_o follow_v faith_n which_o be_v indeed_o the_o catholic_a or_o universal_a faith_n without_o take_v aught_o from_o it_o or_o add_v aught_o to_o it_o no_o say_v dr._n wallis_n the_o greek_a word_n be_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d totam_fw-la or_o whole_a but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d saluam_fw-la sanam_fw-la sound_n or_o safe_a and_o say_v he_o far_a as_o a_o man_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v sound_a and_o safe_a notwithstanding_o a_o wart_n or_o wen_n or_o even_o a_o wound_n or_o a_o maim_v so_o long_o as_o the_o vital_n be_v not_o endanger_v so_o the_o catholic_a faith_n be_v sound_a and_o safe_a so_o long_o as_o there_o be_v nothing_o destructive_a of_o the_o main_a substantial_o or_o fundamental_o this_o be_v a_o marvellous_a reason_n and_o such_o as_o the_o doctor_n will_v very_o hardly_o persuade_v any_o to_o believe_v it_o be_v a_o man_n safe_a and_o sound_a when_o his_o leg_n and_o arm_n be_v shoot_v off_o so_o long_o as_o the_o vital_n be_v not_o endanger_v but_o entire_a and_o safe_a god_n deliver_v i_o and_o dr._n wallis_n too_o from_o such_o soundness_n and_o safeness_n and_o if_o the_o catholic_a faith_n be_v sound_a too_o as_o he_o say_v so_o long_o as_o the_o substantial_o and_o fundamental_o remain_v it_o will_v follow_v that_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v sound_a for_o all_o protestant_n but_o the_o socinian_o grant_v that_o church_n retain_v all_o the_o substantial_o and_o fundamental_o yet_o her_o faith_n they_o confess_v be_v unsound_a because_o of_o the_o erroneous_a addition_n to_o the_o substantial_o and_o fundamental_o the_o doctor_n therefore_o shall_v do_v well_o to_o think_v again_o of_o this_o part_n of_o his_o explication_n but_o whereas_o he_o will_v confirm_v these_o perversion_n of_o the_o true_a intention_n of_o the_o damn_v clause_n in_o this_o creed_n by_o criticise_v on_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i_o must_v plain_o tell_v he_o he_o be_v gross_o out_o in_o his_o criticism_n it_o be_v not_o say_v he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d totam_fw-la or_o whole_a but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d saluam_fw-la sanam_fw-la sound_n or_o safe_a be_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d indeed_o the_o same_o with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o he_o please_v to_o consult_v his_o lexicon_n he_o will_v find_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v render_v integram_fw-la perfectam_fw-la whole_a or_o perfect_a so_o that_o the_o sense_n of_o this_o article_n be_v that_o faith_n must_v be_v keep_v perfect_a whole_a or_o entire_a nothing_o must_v be_v add_v to_o it_o nothing_o take_v from_o it_o lett._n 3._o pag._n 8._o and_o the_o catholic_a faith_n be_v this_o that_o be_v this_o be_v one_o main_a part_n of_o the_o catholic_a faith_n i_o confess_v at_o this_o rate_n of_o expound_v a_o very_a tolerable_a sense_n may_v be_v make_v of_o this_o creed_n and_o of_o the_o koran_n if_o before_o all_o thing_n necessary_a be_v only_o main_o requisite_a if_o whole_a and_o undefiled_a may_v be_v true_a of_o a_o faith_n which_o be_v neither_o whole_a nor_o undefiled_a but_o sound_v only_o in_o fundamental_o if_o the_o catholic_a faith_n be_v only_a part_n of_o the_o catholic_a faith_n what_o creed_n or_o book_n may_v not_o be_v expound_v to_o a_o sound_a sense_n lett._n 3._o pag._n 11._o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v of_o the_o father_n and_o of_o the_o son_n neither_o make_v nor_o beget_v but_o proceed_v here_o be_v no_o anathematise_v of_o the_o greek_a church_n it_o be_v say_v indeed_o he_o do_v proceed_v and_o so_o say_v they_o but_o not_o that_o he_o do_v proceed_v from_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n and_o it_o be_v say_v he_o be_v of_o the_o father_n and_o of_o the_o son_n but_o whether_o by_o procession_n from_o both_o or_o if_o so_o whether_o in_o the_o same_o manner_n be_v not_o say_v but_o wary_o avoid_v 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give_v we_o a_o large_a interpretation_n of_o this_o clause_n at_o pag._n 19_o of_o his_o three_o letter_n but_o the_o sum_n of_o it_o be_v this_o this_o be_v the_o catholic_a faith_n i._n e._n this_o be_v part_n of_o that_o faith_n which_o all_o christian_n do_v and_o aught_o to_o believe_v which_o faith_n except_o a_o man_n keep_v faithful_o he_o can_v be_v save_v i._n e._n which_o faith_n except_o a_o man_n true_o believe_v it_o as_o to_o the_o substantial_o of_o it_o though_o possible_o he_o may_v be_v ignorant_a of_o many_o particular_n thereof_o he_o can_v be_v save_v which_o be_v as_o if_o the_o doctor_n have_v say_v whereas_o the_o athanasian_n creed_n conclude_v with_o these_o formidable_a and_o seem_o plain_a word_n this_o before_o relate_v be_v the_o catholic_a faith_n which_o except_o a_o