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A12919
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A discourse wherin is debated whether it be expedient that the scripture should be in English for al men to reade that wyll Fyrst reade this booke with an indifferent eye, and then approue or condempne, as God shall moue your heart.
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Standish, John, 1507?-1570.
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STC 23207; ESTC S117827
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the_o universal_a church_n of_o christ_n but_o therefore_o it_o may_v not_o be_v suffer_v the_o third_o probation_n through_o the_o damnable_a liberty_n of_o have_v it_o in_o the_o vulgar_a tongue_n have_v not_o all_o holy_a mystery_n be_v despise_v have_v they_o not_o thereby_o utter_o condemn_v all_o that_o have_v not_o be_v express_v in_o the_o letter_n of_o their_o english_a bible_n have_v they_o not_o make_v we_o worse_o hereby_o than_o the_o jew_n to_o take_v all_o mystery_n from_o we_o except_o they_o be_v express_v in_o their_o english_a â–ª_o the_o jew_n dare_v not_o express_v the_o high_a name_n of_o god_n jehova_n but_o what_o mystery_n dare_v not_o our_o man_n meddle_v withal_o yea_o reason_n turn_v &_o toss_v at_o their_o pleasure_n the_o jew_n have_v cabala_n their_o tradition_n leave_v among_o they_o by_o moses_n without_o write_v receyve_v as_o it_o be_v by_o hand_n from_o generation_n to_o generation_n concern_v the_o mystical_a sense_n include_v in_o the_o word_n of_o scripture_n but_o through_o this_o damnable_a heresy_n our_o man_n have_v whole_o condemn_v all_o that_o be_v not_o express_v in_o the_o letter_n of_o their_o english_a and_o yet_o s._n john_n say_v i_o have_v many_o thing_n to_o write_v unto_o you_o nevertheless_o i_o will_v not_o write_v with_o paper_n and_o ink_n but_o i_o trust_v to_o come_v and_o speak_v with_o you_o mouth_n to_o mouth_n janu._n aug._n ad_fw-la janu._n yea_o and_o s._n augustine_n say_v quae_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la scripta_fw-la sed_fw-la tradita_fw-la custodimus_fw-la quae_fw-la toto_fw-la terrarum_fw-la orbe_fw-la obseruantur_fw-la we_o keep_v and_o observe_v not_o only_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v write_v but_o also_o tradition_n not_o write_v which_o be_v observe_v in_o all_o place_n of_o christendom_n again_o if_o you_o will_v nothing_o to_o be_v god_n word_n but_o that_o which_o be_v express_v in_o the_o letter_n write_v what_o say_v you_o then_o to_o moses_n be_v not_o the_o word_n of_o god_n speak_v to_o he_o god_n word_n till_o they_o be_v write_v be_v not_o the_o word_n of_o god_n speak_v to_o the_o apostle_n god_n word_n till_o they_o be_v write_v christ_n in_o sayinge_v to_o peter_n bless_a art_n thou_o &c_n &c_n xuj_o mat._n xuj_o declare_v that_o that_o high_a mystery_n come_v into_o s._n peter_n heart_n as_o to_o the_o prince_n of_o chap_n postle_n only_o by_o secret_a inspiration_n and_o not_o by_o the_o word_n write_v and_o so_o do_v likewise_o this_o that_o neither_o evangelist_n nor_o apostle_n do_v ever_o by_o writing_n send_v the_o faith_n to_o any_o nation_n but_o where_o they_o be_v first_o inform_v by_o preach_v for_o faith_n come_v by_o hear_v say_v paul_n and_o not_o by_o write_v x._o rom._n x._o furthermore_o paul_n bid_v the_o thessalonians_n as_o i_o say_v keep_v the_o tradition_n which_o he_o have_v give_v they_o by_o mouth_n two_o two_o thes_n two_o because_o the_o word_n that_o he_o speak_v to_o the_o people_n by_o mouth_n our_o lord_n and_o use_v about_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o altar_n or_o about_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n who_o can_v show_v the_o reason_n full_o of_o all_o the_o word_n gesture_n order_n question_n and_o answer_n there_o use_v and_o yet_o all_o these_o we_o have_v receive_v of_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n thus_o much_o say_v origene_n and_o here_o mark_v i_o beseech_v you_o of_o origenes_n word_n which_o be_v live_v wtin_n lxxxx_n year_n after_o saint_n john_n the_o evangelist_n that_o many_o such_o tradition_n be_v leave_v by_o christ_n &_o his_o apostle_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o bible_n express_v and_o yet_o to_o be_v observe_v of_o all_o faithful_a catholic_a people_n beside_o this_o what_o they_o will_v say_v to_o many_o thing_n more_o not_o express_v in_o scripture_n and_o yet_o under_o the_o pain_n of_o damnation_n to_o be_v beleve_v i_o can_v tell_v as_o to_o the_o baptim_n of_o infant_n the_o iii_o person_n in_o trinity_n to_o be_v of_o equal_a power_n and_o of_o one_o essence_n that_o god_n the_o father_n be_v ingenitê°_n not_o beget_v the_o procedinge_v of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n from_o the_o father_n &_o the_o son_n the_o deity_n &_o equality_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n with_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n the_o observe_v of_o the_o sunday_n the_o order_n of_o our_o crede_fw-la the_o continuance_n of_o the_o virginite_a of_o our_o lady_n that_o she_o be_v theorocos_fw-la mater_fw-la dei_fw-la the_o mother_n of_o god_n the_o receyvinge_v the_o sacrament_n of_o thalter_n fast_v the_o mixtinge_a water_n with_o wine_n in_o the_o chalice_n the_o son_n to_o be_v consubstantial_a with_o the_o father_n that_o christ_n soul_n descend_v in_o to_o hell_n the_o make_v of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n the_o number_a of_o the_o sacrament_n that_o there_o be_v ii_o nature_n in_o christ_n knit_v together_o in_o unitate_fw-la divine_v supposite_a &_o that_o soul_n depart_v hen_n straight_o way_n have_v the_o fruition_n of_o the_o deity_n and_o that_o man_n and_o woman_n have_v power_n to_o minister_fw-fr the_o sacrament_n of_o baptym_n it_o be_v not_o express_v in_o scripture_n neither_o by_o commandment_n counsel_n licence_n or_o example_n what_o they_o will_v say_v to_o this_o gere_n i_o wot_v not_o but_o this_o one_o thing_n i_o be_o well_o assure_v of_o that_o have_v the_o scripture_n in_o english_a have_v bring_v tholy_a mystery_n of_o god_n into_o contempt_n and_o hatred_n where_o as_o the_o wisdom_n of_o god_n as_o s._n xxvij_o basil_n despiritu_fw-la sâ—cto_fw-la cap._n xxvij_o basill_n testify_v never_o will_v all_o the_o mystery_n of_o our_o faith_n to_o be_v put_v in_o write_v thereby_o to_o be_v a_o laughinge_a stock_n both_o to_o the_o jew_n and_o gentile_n for_o if_o christ_n himself_o be_v count_v a_o slander_v to_o the_o jew_n and_o foolishness_n to_o the_o heathen_n how_o much_o rather_o shall_v the_o high_a mystery_n of_o our_o faith_n so_o be_v count_v be_v most_o hard_a to_o be_v perceyve_v sancto_fw-la perceyve_v mysterium_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la quod_fw-la ad_fw-la populares_fw-la aures_fw-la effertur_fw-la patrâ—s_fw-la ergo_fw-la in_o occuâ—to_fw-la ac_fw-la silentio_fw-la misterijs_fw-la svam_fw-la seruavere_fw-la dignitatem_fw-la basi_fw-la xxvii_o the_o spin_a sancto_fw-la again_o it_o be_v not_o a_o mystery_n say_v he_o that_o be_v open_a to_o every_o man_n or_o that_o be_v blow_v in_o to_o every_o man_n ear_n tholy_a father_n ever_o keep_v tholy_a misterye_n in_o most_o secrecy_n reverence_a the_o dignity_n thereof_o s._n dionise_v ij_o dioni_fw-la cap._n i._n in_o celes_a hierarch_n iren._n lib._n 3._o ca_fw-mi 4_z epiphan_n contra_fw-la aerium_fw-la tertul_n de_fw-fr cor_fw-la mili_fw-la orig_n homil_n v_o in_o numb_a cypri_n de_fw-fr lot_n pedum_fw-la hila_n in_o psal_n ij_o ireneus_fw-la epiphanius_n tertulian_n origen_n cyprian_n and_o hylari_fw-la with_o one_o consent_n do_v firmelye_o establisshe_v this_o against_o the_o approver_n of_o thenglisshe_n translation_n yea_o and_o s._n basill_n 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anacletus_fw-la clement_n &_o euaristus_n etc._n etc._n s._n johns_n gospel_n be_v not_o write_v but_o these_o man_n will_v nothing_o to_o be_v beleve_v but_o only_o that_o which_o be_v in_o their_o english_a bible_n so_o that_o all_o that_o time_n the_o christian_n by_o this_o their_o judgement_n shall_v not_o have_v be_v bind_v to_o believe_v that_o which_o be_v now_o in_o s._n johns_n gospel_n because_o than_o it_o be_v not_o write_v how_o be_v it_o all_o faithful_a people_n believe_v that_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n teach_v above_o lx_o year_n after_o christ_n ascension_n all_o that_o be_v now_o in_o s._n johns_n gospel_n be_v yet_o not_o then_o write_v in_o the_o time_n our_o mother_n the_o church_n be_v a_o virgin_n i_o mean_v not_o corrupt_v nor_o adulterate_a with_o sundry_a heresy_n there_o be_v almost_o no_o scripture_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n in_o paper_n and_o ink_n all_o the_o monition_n word_n and_o work_n of_o christ_n
if_o spiridion_n just_o reprehend_v triphillius_n but_o only_o for_o chaunginge_v of_o one_o word_n in_o scripture_n cubile_fw-la for_o lectum_fw-la what_o reprofe_n be_v our_o man_n worthy_a x._o lib._n i_o tripere_fw-la capit_fw-la x._o which_o change_v many_o hundred_o word_n yea_o sentence_n and_o all_o if_o holy_a basilius_n will_v not_o suffer_v one_o syllable_n of_o scripture_n to_o be_v corrupt_v or_o alter_v xxxvi_o lib._n seven_o tripert_a cap._n xxxvi_o but_o rather_o will_v have_v suffer_v many_o death_n what_o shall_v we_o then_o say_v to_o the_o great_a and_o damnable_a corruption_n and_o alteration_n that_o have_v be_v among_o our_o man_n if_o holy_a basilius_n bid_v the_o emperor_n coke_n meddle_v with_o his_o cokerye_n &_o let_v scripture_n alone_o xxxvi_o tuum_fw-la est_fw-la inquit_fw-la de_fw-la pulmentarijs_fw-la cogitare_fw-la non_fw-la dog_n mata_fw-gr divina_fw-la de_fw-fr coquere_fw-la lib._n seven_o â—rip_n ca._n xxxvi_o what_o will_v he_o have_v say_v to_o 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evident_a against_o the_o scripture_n in_o english_a see_v also_o the_o great_a hardness_n that_o be_v in_o scripture_n with_o the_o cause_n thereof_o and_o how_o many_o way_n the_o letter_n do_v kyl_v and_o see_v again_o that_o the_o universal_a church_n of_o christ_n have_v utter_o forbid_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v in_o the_o vulgar_a tongue_n consider_v the_o manifold_a inconvenience_n that_o rise_v thereof_o as_o great_a numbre_n of_o heresy_n disobedience_n and_o contempt_n of_o power_n with_z fleshe_o liberty_n etc._n etc._n and_o final_o see_v that_o by_o no_o mean_n so_o soon_o as_o by_o the_o scripture_n in_o english_a heresy_n do_v both_o spring_n daily_o and_o be_v also_o maintain_v wherein_o shall_v good_a man_n be_v more_o diligent_a than_o in_o thext_a pation_n hereof_o wherefore_o it_o shall_v be_v every_o faithful_a christian_n duty_n be_v in_o authority_n to_o lay_v to_o his_o healp_a hand_n to_o the_o take_v away_o quite_o &_o that_o with_o all_o speed_n the_o 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est_fw-la gravissimum_fw-la quamdâ—_n unum_fw-la peccatum_fw-la per_fw-la aliud_fw-la pâ—nitur_fw-la quod_fw-la peccatur_fw-la quum_fw-la in_o profundu_fw-fr â—enerit_n contemnit_fw-la forsake_v the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n fall_v from_o the_o unity_n thereof_o then_o despise_v all_o general_a counsel_n all_o ordinance_n from_o the_o beginning_n keep_v through_o out_o christendom_n after_o this_o spoil_n poll_a pyll_a rob_v and_o steal_v all_o land_n ornament_n &_o good_n of_o the_o church_n be_v more_o fierce_a than_o ever_o be_v julian_n thappostata_fw-la without_o mercy_n or_o pity_v and_o final_o spyteful_o contemninge_v all_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n with_o all_o censure_n and_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n and_o father_n upon_o scripture_n only_o stick_v to_o their_o own_o what_o please_v they_o to_o fancy_n o_o lord_n be_v not_o this_o a_o time_n most_o miserable_a jesu_n be_v merciful_a unto_o we_o and_o grant_v we_o never_o to_o fall_v again_o into_o the_o like_a palpable_a darkness_n ¶_o of_o mass_n &_o all_o other_o divine_a service_n in_o the_o church_n to_o be_v in_o latin_a and_o not_o in_o the_o vulgar_a tongue_n and_o here_o note_v further_o i_o beseech_v you_o that_o like_a as_o it_o be_v now_o speak_v of_o scripture_n not_o to_o be_v in_o english_a even_o so_o be_v it_o mean_v that_o as_o unlawful_a it_o be_v yea_o and_o more_o too_o if_o more_o may_v be_v that_o the_o high_a mystery_n in_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o mass_n or_o other_o divine_a service_n shall_v be_v in_o english_a where_o as_o the_o priest_n be_v a_o common_a person_n and_o offer_v up_o for_o all_o the_o people_n be_v the_o mean_a between_o god_n and_o they_o so_o that_o his_o communication_n be_v to_o god_n and_o not_o to_o the_o people_n what_o cause_n be_v there_o then_o why_o divine_a service_n shall_v be_v in_o english_a except_o you_o think_v that_o god_n understand_v no_o latin_a neither_o the_o italian_n nor_o grecian_n have_v divine_a service_n in_o their_o 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