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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A12552	The character of the beast, or, The false constitution of the church discovered in certayne passages betwixt Mr. R. Clifton & Iohn Smyth, concerning true Christian baptisme of new creatures, or new borne babes in Christ, &nd false baptisme of infants borne after the flesh : referred to two propositions, 1. That infants are not to bee baptized, 2. That antichristians converted are to bee admitted into the true church by baptisme.	Smyth, John, d. 1612.	1609 (1609)	STC 22875; ESTC S991	85,221	80

but stil you build vppon a false fondacion as you see assuming that which is the question viz That baptisme in popery is the Lords Thirdly I answer againe that if Antichrist had reteyned the L. true baptisme as I have described true I say in the definition viz That he had baptized persons confessing their sinnes faith into the Trinity or into Iesus Christ it should not have been repeated but seing he intendeth in baptisme to set an indelible character vpon them which is the mark of the beast to conferre grace ex opere operato to the infants which he washeth another promising answering for them Credo Abrenuntio which the party baptized should himself performe hence I conclude that he hath set vp his owne idol of abhomination cast the L. holy ordinance away having essentialy destroyed the primitive Apostolique baptisme go his baptisme is a nullity or rather a seale of perdition to them that retaine it The amplification which you bring to this Argument I omit as a thing not denyed but yeelded vnto that God can work by a false Ministery evil instruments bad meanes but hence it wil not follow that we may retaine the mark of the beast no more then we may retaine the ministery of Antichrist the Church of Antichrist the Government of Antichrist Mr. Rich. Clifton Those Holy things which God by his mercifull providence hath preserved for his people through the hands of profane persons are not to be rejected for the Authors sake Ezra 1.11 But the Scriptures baptisme hath God preserved in the popish assemblies for the benefit of his people Therfor not to be rejected for the Authors sake If it be objected against the minor it is not true baptisme but false that is administred in the assemblies of Antichr I answer though it may be said to be false in regard of some humane devises vsed in the administration thereof yet is it true baptisme in respect of the matter forme Author therof which causeth it to have a true being Iohn Smyth Your fourth Argument followeth which is this These Holy things which God by his merciful providence hath preserved for his people though the hands of profane persons are not to be rejected for the Authors sake Ezra 1.11 But the Scriptures baptisme hath God preserved in the popish assemblies for the benefit of his people Therfor not to be rejected for the Authors sake The minor you prove thus saying the baptisme though false in respect of humane devises vsed in the ministration therof yet is true in respect of the matter forme Author therof in your answer to my second Arg. you say the author of baptisme in the Kingdom of Antichr is Chr. the matter water the forme washing with water into the Trinity I answer directely that if it could bee proved that baptisme in the Kingdome of Antichrist is appointed by Christ that water is the true matter of baptisme the true forme is washing into the Trinity I would yeeld vnto you but this you have not proved I have already proved the contrary but yet to deale somthing more fully in this point which is the mayne pillar cheef corner Stone of the fondacion I say 1. VVater is not the matter of baptisme but onely the instrument of baptisme For as fire is the instrument of burning so is VVater of washing the matter of burning is the fewel that is burnt So the matter of washing is the party washed For as wee say accident is esse est inesse the subject is al the matter of an accident as the matter of the Church are the Disciples of Sayntes The matter of the Ministery are the Prophets so the matter of baptisme is the persons vppon whome baptisme is conferred on whome it is It is false therfor which you affirme that water is the matter of baptisme 2. I say that washing into the Name of the Father Sonne Holy Ghost is not the forme of Baptisme For to wash a Turk Iew Foole mad Man or infant into the Trinity is not ●●ne baptisme but it were so if simply to baptize into the Trinity were the forme of baptisme Therefore to baptise the true matter into the true Fayth or into Christ or the New Testament or the Trinity or into the true body is the true forme of baptisme So that the true matter of baptisme is a new creature one regenerate a confessor As the true matter of circumcision was a male of eigt dayes old eyther lineally descending of Abraham or a Proselite So the true matter of baptisme is a person that is of the Fayth of Abraham one that hath the male Christ formed in him The true forme of baptisme cōsisteth in three things 1. washing with water 2. a new Creature 3. into the Name of Chr. or into the Trinity for I think wee are not tyed to forme of words so if antichr hath washed any I say I wil never consent that they shal be rebaptized but hold that Anabaptistery true heresy But if an infant that is not the matter of baptisme or a wicked man mad man foole Turk or Iew or any Pagan bee washed with water into the Trinity I say ther is neyther true matter nor forme of baptisme Christ is not the author thereof therfor the baptisme of antichrist is not Christs but his owne so all infants baptized by antichrist are eyther vnbaptized or have the marke of the beast so are to renounce it to receave Christs marke of baptisme or els woe bee to them when they shall manifest a new creature Christ the male is formed in them they confesse with their mouth then be baptized into the Trinity this is not anabaptistery but the true primitive Apostolique Baptisme so Christ Iohn Christs Apostles were anabaptists with you Sir For they baptized men that had been washed before a thousand tymes with the Iewes baptismes Heb. 9.10 which baptismes were also into the Messias no doubt in those that saw the end off those Figures But if it bee blasphemy to say that Christ Iohn the Apostles were Anabaptists though they were of tymes some of them baptized into the Messiah in Type bicause they were onely once baptized truly indeed So shal it bee blasphemy in all them that call the true Christians anabaptists that baptize new Creatures once onely into Christ though baptized before by antichrist in their infancy when they knew not the right hand from the left or what a new creature or the New Testament or Christ or Baptisme or any thing els was hence therefore I conclude vndenyably that seing Popish baptisme hath a false matter a false forme therefore it is antichrists Idoll asmuch as a false Ministery a false Church is so the Lord is not the author of it therevppon though the Scriptures Gods word bee retayned by Gods providence in the word all the Holy things of