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A50712 Observations upon the laws and customs of nations, as to precedency by Sir George Mackenzie ... Mackenzie, George, Sir, 1636-1691. 1680 (1680) Wing M186; ESTC R5733 107,612 141

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precedency_n from_o privy_a councillor_n in_o scotland_n otherwise_o any_o counsellor_n of_o a_o elder_a admission_n will_v be_v prefer_v to_o they_o and_o yet_o in_o england_n privy_a councillor_n be_v prefer_v to_o all_o the_o judge_n and_o even_o to_o the_o chief_a justice_n and_o with_o we_o i_o find_v no_o privy_a councillor_n take_v place_n as_o such_o from_o any_o person_n whatsoever_o which_o seem_v very_o strange_a for_o since_o the_o judicatur_fw-la itself_o be_v place_v before_o the_o session_n and_o that_o its_o precedent_n have_v precedency_n from_o the_o precedent_n of_o the_o session_n that_o therefore_o its_o judge_n ought_v to_o precede_v the_o judge_n of_o the_o session_n 2_o do_v though_o the_o lord_n of_o session_n be_v lord_n of_o council_n and_o session_n yet_o there_o be_v secret_a councillor_n give_v they_o a_o great_a nearness_n and_o argue_v a_o great_a trust_n and_o in_o all_o matter_n of_o precedency_n these_o be_v the_o chief_a topic_n for_o precedency_n 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