Selected quad for the lemma: faith_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
faith_n	rule_n	scripture_n	tradition_n	12,255	5	9.8749	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A13298	A rejoynder to the reply published by the Iesuites vnder the name of William Malone. The first part. Wherein the generall answer to the challenge is cleared from all the Iesuites cavills	Synge, George, 1594-1653.	1632 (1632)	STC 23604; ESTC S118086	381,349	430

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pag._n 140_o 142._o disci_fw-la te_fw-la ab_fw-la apostoli_fw-la cis_fw-la ecclesijs_fw-la habetis_fw-la romae_fw-la linum_fw-la &_o polycarpum_fw-la smyrnae_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n edoctum_fw-la tertull._n praeser_n p._n c._n 37._o proximè_fw-la est_fw-la tibi_fw-la acha●_n habes_fw-la corinthum_n si_fw-mi non_fw-la longè_fw-la es_fw-la ●_o macedonia_n habes_fw-la philippos_n habes_fw-la thessalonicenses_n si_fw-mi potes_fw-la in_o asiam_fw-la tendere_fw-la habes_fw-la ephesum_fw-la si_fw-la autem_fw-la italiae_fw-la adjaces_fw-la haqes_fw-la romam_fw-la unde_fw-la nobis_fw-la quoque_fw-la authoritas_fw-la praest_n o_o est_fw-la rhenanus_fw-la argum_fw-la in_o tert._n de_fw-fr prescript_n &_o alibi_fw-la impress_n basil_n 1521._o tertullianus_n ecclesiam_fw-la unam_fw-la apostolicam_fw-la nulla_fw-la loco_fw-la affigit_fw-la romanum_fw-la aec_fw-la lesiam_fw-la ornat_fw-la magnificae_fw-la laudis_fw-la elogio_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la tantam_fw-la illam_fw-la facit_fw-la 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petro_n &_o in_o fide_fw-la petr●_n succedentibus_fw-la non_fw-la pjo_fw-es concilio_n oravit_fw-la &_o exoravit_fw-la adversus_fw-la ho●_n &_o adversus_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la in_o petro_n in_o illisque_fw-la fundatam_fw-la non_fw-la adversus_fw-la concilium_fw-la dixit_fw-la infernum_fw-la non_fw-la praevalituram_fw-la 〈◊〉_d ●oncilia_fw-la errâsse_fw-la viderimus_fw-la quando_fw-la à_fw-la svo_fw-la capit●_n à_fw-la quo_fw-la 〈◊〉_d sanctius_fw-la &_o veritatis_fw-la influentia_fw-la recesserant_fw-la vel_fw-la dissen●●r●nt_fw-la non_fw-la ●●●buit_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ●em_v pontifici_fw-la sed_fw-la à_fw-la pontifice_fw-la habet_fw-la concilitum_fw-la ut_fw-la sit_fw-la ratum_fw-la ac_fw-la 〈◊〉_d for_o counsel_n interpretation_n we_o shall_v have_v as_o much_o to_o do_v for_o to_o find_v out_o the_o sense_n of_o a_o council_n as_o of_o the_o scripture_n itself_o beside_o how_o many_o weak_a particular_n may_v suspend_v a_o council_n from_o her_o pretend_a infallible_a authority_n as_o if_o not_o right_o call_v right_o head_v &_o c_o so_o that_o there_o remain_v none_o but_o the_o pope_n for_o who_o christ_n pray_v it_o be_v he_o that_o give_v authority_n to_o a_o council_n not_o the_o council_n to_o he_o but_o if_o this_o lord_n that_o will_v be_v of_o our_o conference_n prove_v a_o lord_n of_o misrule_n where_o then_o shall_v we_o

find_v this_o judge_n that_o represent_v the_o magistrate_n betwixt_o the_o scripture_n and_o we_o and_o sure_o if_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n do_v interpret_v the_o scripture_n as_o he_o deliver_v they_o holy_a man_n speak_v as_o the_o spirit_n give_v they_o utterance_n i_o have_v say_v sufficient_a before_o to_o declare_v that_o your_o pope_n be_v no_o such_o manner_n of_o man_n and_o many_o of_o your_o own_o exclude_v the_o pope_n from_o this_o sovereign_a power_n of_o interpret_n the_o scripture_n veneta_n scripture_n bellarm._n de_fw-fr council_n ●●c●_n l._n ●_o c._n 14._o concilium_fw-la esse_fw-la supra_fw-la pontific●m_fw-la asscrit_fw-fr candinalis_fw-la cameracensis_n joannes_n gerson_n jacobus_n almainus_a nicolaus_n cusanus_fw-la pan●●mita●us_fw-la cardinalis_fw-la florentinus_n abulensis_n et_fw-la alij_fw-la alij_fw-la vero_fw-la vol●n●_n papam_fw-la esse_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la id_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la dux_n venetiarum_fw-la in_fw-la republ_n veneta_n some_o 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to_o they_o that_o believe_v who_o be_v it_o that_o accuse_v who_o be_v it_o that_o condemn_v but_o this_o judge_n io._n v._o fourteen_o the_o law_n the_o word_n be_v the_o judge_n absolute_a and_o infallible_a a_o ministerial_a duty_n only_o be_v commit_v to_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n io._n xii_o xlviii_o neither_o be_v papist_n able_a to_o cast_n of_o this_o bless_a samuel_n from_o judge_v israel_n and_o to_o erect_v up_o their_o own_o saul_n but_o by_o blaspheme_v the_o word_n of_o truth_n charge_v it_o with_o imperfection_n obscurity_n and_o what_o not_o that_o may_v deprive_v it_o of_o its_o power_n so_o that_o there_o be_v nothing_o but_o the_o wrangle_n of_o heretic_n to_o plead_v for_o the_o papal_a headship_n and_o this_o be_v as_o vain_a as_o the_o rest_n for_o unless_o he_o may_v irresisteable_o enlighten_v not_o only_o the_o understanding_n but_o also_o the_o will_n he_o can_v never_o compound_v and_o silence_n controversy_n in_o regard_n his_o word_n let_v they_o make_v they_o divine_a or_o otherwise_o be_v as_o subject_a to_o misinterpretation_n as_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o may_v with_o more_o facility_n be_v pervert_v but_o if_o we_o do_v but_o observe_v we_o may_v perceive_v how_o they_o cast_v off_o the_o absolute_a direction_n of_o truth_n be_v involve_v in_o error_n and_o blindness_n for_o by_o make_v their_o church_n the_o only_a teacher_n &_o determiner_n of_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n they_o tie_v themselves_o to_o receive_v no_o other_o light_n from_o the_o scripture_n than_o lucifer_n their_o pope_n for_o he_o be_v their_o church_n will_v convey_v unto_o they_o and_o howsoever_o they_o boast_v of_o the_o father_n of_o counsel_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o when_o all_o come_v to_o all_o their_o judge_n of_o controversy_n be_v only_o their_o roman_a bishop_n declarantem_fw-la bishop_n gr●gor_n valent_n tom_fw-mi 3._o commentar_n in_o thomam_fw-la disp_n 1._o quaest_n 1._o punct_a 1._o cùm_fw-la dicimus_fw-la propositionem_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la esse_fw-la conditionem_fw-la necessariam_fw-la ad_fw-la assensum_fw-la fidei_fw-la ●_o nomine_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la intelligimus_fw-la ejus_fw-la caput_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la romanum_fw-la pontificem_fw-la pierce_v vel_fw-la unâ_fw-la cum_fw-la concilio_n ex_fw-la praedicta_fw-la auctoritate_fw-la propositiones_fw-la fidei_fw-la fidelibus_fw-la declarantem_fw-la either_o with_o or_o without_o a_o council_n est_fw-la council_n ibid._n punct_a 〈◊〉_d si_fw-la quando_fw-la oriantur_fw-la controversiae_fw-la de_fw-la fide_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la in_o ijs_fw-la definiendis_fw-la à_fw-la verita●●_n aberrare_fw-la haec_fw-la autem_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la infallibilis_fw-la auctoritas_fw-la ad_fw-la definiendum_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la in_o singulis_fw-la fidelibus_fw-la quip_n qui_fw-la sine_fw-la controversiâ_fw-la possunt_fw-la errare_fw-la singuli_fw-la neque_fw-la est_fw-la etiam_fw-la in_o omnibus_fw-la omninò_fw-la fidelibus_fw-la frustra_fw-la enim_fw-la data_fw-la illis_fw-la esset_fw-la cùm_fw-la ●ieri_fw-la vix_fw-la possit_fw-la in_fw-la fidei_fw-la causis_fw-la ut_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la illis_fw-la sigillatim_fw-la sententia_fw-la dicatur_fw-la sed_fw-la residet_fw-la summa_fw-la illa_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la auctoritas_fw-la in_o christi_fw-la vicario_n s●●●●o_fw-la pontifice_fw-la sive_fw-la unâ_fw-la cum_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la concilio_n sive_fw-la absque_fw-la concilio_n res_fw-la fidei_fw-la definite_a velit_fw-la bellarm._n de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n l._n 4._o c._n 3._o summus_n pontifex_fw-la cùm_fw-la to_o tam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la docet_fw-la in_o his_o quae_fw-la ad_fw-la fidem_fw-la pertinent_a nullo_n easu_fw-la errare_fw-la potest_fw-la constat_fw-la generalia_fw-la concilia_fw-la saepè_fw-la errasse_fw-la quando_fw-la caru●●unt_fw-la summi_fw-la pontificis_fw-la suffragio_fw-la exit_fw-la quo_fw-la apparet_fw-la totam_fw-la firmitatem_fw-la concilio●um_fw-la legitimorum_fw-la esse_fw-la â_fw-la pontifice_fw-la non_fw-la partim_fw-la à_fw-la pontifice_fw-la partim_fw-la à_fw-la concilio_n stapl●ton_n relect_v prin●_n doctr_n contr_n 6._o quaest_n 3._o in_o explicatar_n 5._o potestas_fw-la &_o infallibilit●s_fw-la papalis_fw-la est_fw-la potestas_fw-la &_o gratia_fw-la personalis_fw-la personae_fw-la petri_n &_o successorum_fw-la ejus_fw-la à_fw-la christo_fw-la data_fw-la majoritas_fw-la discretionis_fw-la &_o maturitas_fw-la judicij_fw-la si_fw-la de_fw-la scientia_fw-la rerum_fw-la sacrarum_fw-la intelligatur_fw-la non_fw-la solùm_fw-la concilium_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o theologo●●m_fw-la collegium_fw-la imò_fw-la unus_fw-la aliquis_fw-la theologus_fw-la pontificem_fw-la facilè_fw-la superabit_fw-la si_fw-mi autem_fw-la de_fw-la judicio_fw-la fidei_fw-la &_o determination●_n sensus_fw-la scripturae_fw-la quem_fw-la credere_fw-la oporteat_fw-la intelligatur_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la concilium_fw-la supra_fw-la papam_fw-la sed_fw-la unus_fw-la papa_n petri_n successor_n cvi_fw-la uni_fw-la christus_fw-la inde●ectib●h●atem_fw-la fidei_fw-la impetravit_fw-la super_fw-la omnes_fw-la est_fw-la it_o matter_n not_o so_o likewise_o they_o be_v delude_v with_o the_o spirit_n of_o error_n in_o give_v the_o power_n they_o do_v to_o this_o external_a judge_n for_o our_o jesuite_n will_v have_v the_o judge_n to_o be_v the_o rule_n whereby_o to_o discover_v which_o be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n and_o which_o not_o the_o manner_n how_o i_o have_v tell_v you_o before_o whatsoever_o he_o say_v be_v faith_n must_v needs_o be_v so_o let_v it_o be_v with_o a_o council_n or_o without_o other_o make_v the_o pope_n authority_n equal_a to_o the_o scripture_n interpretando_fw-la scripture_n christophorus_n de_fw-fr sacrobos●o_n defence_n decr._n triden_n part_v ●_o c._n 6._o dico_fw-la ecclesi●_n authoritatem_fw-la parem_fw-la esse_fw-la authoritad_v scripturae_fw-la &_o ratio_fw-la est_fw-la quia_fw-la unu●_n &_o idem_fw-la deus_fw-la qui_fw-la regebat_fw-la apostolos_fw-la &_o prophetas_fw-la ne_fw-la e●●arent_fw-la scribendo_fw-la diright_a ecclesiam_fw-la ne_fw-la labatur_fw-la in_o interpretando_fw-la to_o the_o u●yce_n of_o god._n neither_o will_v they_o have_v their_o pope_n or_o church_n only_o equal_a to_o the_o scripture_n but_o also_o somewhat_o superior_a thereunto_o scriptura●um_fw-la thereunto_o albert._n pighius_fw-la l._n 1._o hierat_fw-la eccles_n c._n 2._o dicit_fw-la non_fw-la so●●●_n non_fw-la infer●orem_fw-la non_fw-la sol●m_fw-la parem_fw-la imo_fw-la quodammodò_fw-la ●●periorem_fw-la &_o ●●otiorem_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la autoritatem_fw-la autorita●●_n scriptura●um_fw-la for_o the_o church_n be_v a_o prophet_n est_fw-la prophet_n defensor_fw-la johannis_n pistor●●_n

falso_fw-la 415._o ecclesia_fw-la prophe●●_n est_fw-la more_o than_o a_o prophet_n propheta_fw-la prophet_n idem_fw-la falso_fw-la 224._o pl●●qua●_n propheta_fw-la yea_o great_a than_o all_o the_o prophet_n prophetis_fw-la prophet_n idem_fw-la circ_n false_o 286._o major_a omnibus_fw-la prophetis_fw-la have_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n for_o 〈◊〉_d ●i●ar_n dicit_fw-la ●i●ar_n idem_fw-la falso_fw-la 416._o spiritum_fw-la sanctum_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la vicarium_fw-la dicit_fw-la thus_o we_o see_v what_o judge_n the_o jesuite_n do_v contest_v for_o and_o how_o far_o they_o labour_v to_o extend_v his_o power_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o pope_n who_o be_v not_o only_o a_o prophet_n but_o more_o than_o a_o prophet_n yea●_n great_a than_o all_o the_o prophet_n who_o have_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n for_o his_o vic●●_n either_o with_o or_o without_o a_o council_n have_v only_o power_n to_o determine_v matter_n of_o faith_n whereby_o we_o may_v know_v what_o to_o believe_v and_o what_o not_o with_o authority_n not_o only_o equal_a but_o superior_a to_o the_o scripture_n now_o what_o strength_n do_v the_o jesuite_n bring_v to_o confirm_v this_o rule_n his_o first_o place_n be_v esay_n liiii_o and_o the_o 17._o thou_o shall_v judge_v every_o tongue_n that_o shall_v resist_v the●_n in_o thy_o judgement_n 99_o judgement_n reply_v pag._n 99_o sure_o the_o jesuite_n be_v like_a to_o their_o divine_n in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n who_o be_v restrain_v to_o the_o scripture_n and_o forbid_a schoole-disputes_a bring_v all_o the_o place_n out_o of_o the_o prophet_n and_o psalm_n where_o they_o stand_v the_o word_n confiteor_n and_o its_o verbal_a confissi●_n to_o prove_v auricular_a confession_n and_o they_o be_v account_v best_o learn_v who_o bring_v most_o of_o they_o 345._o they_o hist_o council_n trid●●_n l._n 4._o p._n 345._o for_o here_o be_v nothing_o whereby_o to_o make_v the_o pope_n the_o infallible_a judge_n of_o controversy_n unless_o he_o will_v conclude_v that_o 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