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The falshood of the cheife grounds of the Romish religion Descried and convinced in a briefe answere to certaine motiues sent by a priest to a gentleman to induce him to turne papist. By W.S.; Seminary priest put to a non-plus
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Sutton, William, 1561 or 2-1632.; Sutton, William, b. 1607 or 8.
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hereafter_o to_o have_v a_o better_a opinion_n if_o not_o ask_v he_o to_o what_o purpose_n he_o cite_v isa_n 59.22_o math._n 28.19.20_o joh._n 14.16.17_o math._n 18.18_o howsoever_o let_v he_o now_o know_v that_o we_o believe_v the_o catholic_a church_n to_o be_v regnum_fw-la quod_fw-la non_fw-la dissipabitur_fw-la a_o everlasting_a kingdom_n that_o shall_v stand_v when_o all_o earthly_a kingdom_n fail_v but_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o this_o be_v true_a of_o every_o particular_a church_n and_o we_o know_v that_o the_o romish_a church_n be_v no_o more_o than_o a_o particular_a and_o therefore_o as_o subject_v to_o mutability_n and_o corruption_n as_o any_o other_o of_o the_o same_o nature_n second_o tell_v he_o how_o we_o believe_v that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n do_v and_o ever_o will_v guide_v the_o same_o catholic_a church_n into_o all_o necessary_a truth_n but_o we_o deny_v first_o that_o all_o those_o thing_n be_v necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v which_o rome_n profess_v as_o 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under_o christ_n but_o to_o appropriate_v these_o name_n unto_o peter_n alone_o to_o make_v he_o not_o a_o ministerial_a but_o the_o ministerial_a head_n as_o if_o the_o rest_n be_v no_o head_n at_o all_o it_o be_v such_o a_o wrong_n do_v to_o the_o other_o apostle_n as_o cruel_a landlord_n sometime_o offer_v to_o their_o tenant_n when_o they_o take_v away_o their_o common_a from_o they_o and_o make_v it_o their_o own_o enclosure_n as_o for_o the_o courtesy_n which_o perhaps_o they_o think_v they_o do_v unto_o saint_n peter_n it_o be_v such_o a_o one_o as_o he_o will_v never_o give_v they_o thanks_n for_o that_o bless_a saint_n know_v well_o enough_o that_o all_o this_o quarrel_v about_o supremacy_n be_v not_o for_o his_o sake_n but_o for_o the_o pope_n and_o that_o his_o name_n be_v use_v only_o for_o a_o leap_a stock_n to_o help_v the_o other_o to_o horse_n he_o take_v as_o much_o delight_n in_o this_o honourable_a supremacy_n which_o they_o will_v cast_v upon_o he_o join_v with_o 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christ_n or_o some_o other_o special_a grace_n wherein_o he_o do_v excel_v may_v be_v a_o more_o eminent_a pillar_n than_o any_o one_o of_o the_o other_o ut_fw-la plato_n princeps_fw-la philosophorum_fw-la sic_fw-la petrus_n princeps_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la hierom._n adversus_fw-la pelag._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 4._o now_o as_o that_o name_n make_v not_o other_o philosopher_n subject_n to_o plato_n so_o neither_o do_v the_o like_a give_v to_o peter_n infer_v any_o jurisdiction_n that_o he_o have_v over_o his_o fellow_n or_o make_v they_o any_o whit_n inferior_a unto_o he_o that_o way_n saint_n ambrose_n say_v of_o paul_n that_o he_o be_v not_o inferior_a to_o peter_n or_o to_o any_o other_o of_o the_o apostle_n that_o go_v before_o only_o in_o time_n in_o 2._o cor._n 12.9_o and_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr incar_n dom._n cap._n 4._o speak_v of_o that_o primacy_n that_o peter_n have_v he_o call_v it_o primatum_fw-la confessionis_fw-la wherein_o peter_n be_v prefer_v a_o primacy_n of_o confession_n faith_n he_o not_o of_o honour_n a_o primacy_n of_o faith_n but_o not_o of_o degree_n your_o friend_n be_v of_o another_o mind_n and_o bring_v scripture_n to_o prove_v a_o great_a supremacy_n give_v unto_o peter_n then_o all_o this_o we_o speak_v of_o consider_v his_o proof_n st_n peter_n supremacy_n and_o i_o say_v to_o thou_o thou_o be_v peter_n and_o upon_o this_o rock_n will_v i_o build_v my_o church_n and_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o it_o and_o i_o will_v give_v to_o thou_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n and_o whatsoever_o thou_o shall_v bind_v upon_o earth_n it_o shall_v be_v bind_v also_o in_o the_o heaven_n and_o whatsoever_o thou_o shall_v loose_v in_o earth_n it_o shall_v be_v loose_v also_o in_o the_o heaven_n math._n 6._o vers_fw-la 18.19_o before_o that_o ever_o our_o saviour_n speak_v these_o word_n to_o peter_n you_o must_v understand_v that_o he_o have_v propose_v a_o certain_a question_n to_o they_o all_o