Selected quad for the lemma: faith_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
faith_n	prove_v	scripture_n	tradition_n	4,648	5	9.5709	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A50644	A letter to Dr. E.S. concerning his late letter to Mr. G. and the account he gives in it of a conference between Mr. G. and himself from one who was present at the conference.	Meredith, Edward, 1648-1689?	1687 (1687)	Wing M1782; ESTC R15938	20,616	40

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