Selected quad for the lemma: faith_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
faith_n	point_n	scripture_n	tradition_n	4,854	5	9.5473	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A40800	Of the infallibilitie of the Chvrch of Rome a discourse written by the Lord Viscount Falkland ...	Falkland, Lucius Cary, Viscount, 1610?-1643.	1645 (1645)	Wing F322; ESTC R40575	14,027	22

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