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A12096	A suruey of the miracles of the Church of Rome, prouing them to be antichristian Wherein are examined and refuted the six fundamentall reasons of Iohn Flood Ignatian, published by him in defence of popish miracles. By Richard Sheldon Catholike priest, and sometimes in the Church of Rome Mr. Floods colleague.	Sheldon, Richard, d. 1642?; Floyd, John, 1572-1649. Purgatories triumph over hell. Selections.	1616 (1616)	STC 22399; ESTC S117401	260,389	380

end of this booke about ●●nings many papers of forged miracles doe you now come out with your Indian wonders Wee cannot beleeue you Call to minde that rule of the Law Qui semel est malus semper presu●●tur malus in eodem genere mal● Hee who is found once ill that is habitually ill is alwaies prefumed to be ill in the same kinde of euill vnlesse the contrarie dee euidently appeare Call to minde how gloriously you boasted within these few yeeres of the Great Sophy of Persia his conversion by one of your order Call to minde how euen in the faces of your Aduersaries that your holy Father Edmundes a proud contentious arrogant head of faction did with other Priests publish most fabulous tales concerning the exorcismes and deliuerances Confession of Mr. Tirrell Priest vpon oath The examinations of Sara Williams Anne Smith Friswod Williams recorded in the Court records of high commission c. of some possessed lasles Maryes and Fiddesses c Know you not that the possessed ones haue discouered their forgerie vpon oath and deposition And if it were not so there are yet Priests liuing amongst you whom I will not name who laugh in their sleeues at those fables and those merriments whereof themselues were eye witnesses they professe ingenuously that they liked not your Father Edmunds proceedings though for feare they durst not speake against them Demurre with due consideration vpon those miraculous and prodigious narrations which the famous Fryer Sebastian Michaelis together with his brother The admirable historie of Lewes the Magician and Magd●len by Sebastian Mich. Domptius haue published in Fraunce to the euerlasting confusion of Poperie concerning the conversion of Magdalene obteyned by the diligence and praiers of the Papist-Deuill Verrine Papist-Deuill I call him because the Deuill gaue himselfe the name of Verrine and because all his elegant and Fryer-like discourses tended to make Magdalene a Roman Papist Conuert Such Verrines were fit to be sent to Iapan Sina Ormus c. to forward your haruest there for I dare assure you that such your prodigious narrations are idle here for they doe greatly confirme vs in our opinions that your Holy Father is the Antichrist and sonne of perdition whereof 2 Thessal 2. S. Paul speaketh How our Church esteemeth of Fryer Sebastians narrations you may vnderstand by this Our most iudicious and learned Soueraigne hath in his wisdome with the good liking of his most learned Archbishop of Canterburie caused Fryer Sebastians booke to be translated into our English vulgar tongue by reading of the same to auert his people from Poperie and it is translated so ingenuously without the adding of any annotations or caueats for the booke of it selfe giueth aduantage inough against Poperie saue onely that a iudicious and exquisite Scholler in all points for his yeeres hath prefixed before the Translation the reasons and end of the same Demurre vpon this Mr. Flud seriously and then your selfe cannot but yeeld what litle reason wee haue to regard your narrations which come from so farre as Iapan Sina c. You glorie here much of the sanctitie of your preachers and their holy conuersation their iustice I hope is more abounding then that of Holt Garnet Gerrard Parsons Creswel Walpole Warneford c. and you twit vs with idle life and sole faith Sir our faith is so clothed I speake not of the Precisians and Sectaries neither of those that are in aperto or in secret such with good workes that I dare boldlie say standing within the limits of modestie manie of our men are in no degree inferior to yours I doe suppose verilie sir that if his most excellent Maiestie should offer for one Church and Minister permitted in Rome or Naples or Millain or Madrid to permit two both Churches and Priests in his City of London your holie Father and the Spanish monarch would not nor durst not admit of the same Tell me in good earnest sir dare your Spanish Monarch permit in Spaine such accesse of his subiects into the house of our English Embassadors there to see our mens liues and heare their doctrines as is dailie tollerated in some places where his Ambassadors are Perhaps when you twit vs with single faith naked of good workes you meane such workes as building of Churches Chappels Hospitalls Colledges c. There are sir who dare vndertake to shew that due proportion of time and place being obserued there haue beene as manie such good workes done since reformation as before the taske I leaue to them this I note onelie by the way that the dilapidations vsed by King Henry and the wicked appropriating of impropriations haue cooled the deuotions of a great manie so to obserue such sacrilegious hauocke made of Testaments and Wils of our ancient Kings Priests Nobles and all other our predecessors but as in the Statute containing sixe Popish articles which your Popish called the whip with sixe strings he was led awry with humane spirit and worldly policie so likewise in this dilapidating and ill appropriating of Church estates but caueat emptor possessor lest their possession turne to their vtter ruine Let them meditate vpon that of Salomon It is a snare to the man Prou. 20. 25. who deuoureth that which is holy and to make inquiry after vowes A snare which will doubtlesse insnare their soules into eternall perdition vnlesse they make restitution and restore vnto God that which is his The miracles you speake of and the fruits of them say you haue been so cleere that some learned Protestants haue acknowledged the finger of God in them You tell vs of learned Protestants yet you point vs onlie to one in your margin and him I take it of no extraordinarie note and fame in our Churches but what if he say as you quote him hath not your Coster said Coster contro 2. as much of the Nouatians It is said saith he that some of the Nouatians did miracles in time past but that was done for testimonie of the Catholicke faith amongst infidels but not for strengthening of their errors as hee who in the ninth of S. Luke cast out Diuels in Christs name thus he with more to like purpose Againe haue not your Remists explaned the same more cleerly in these words miracles are wrought sometimes by the name Remists annot in 9. marti v. 38. of Iesus whatsoeuer the men be when it is for the proofe of a truth or for the glory of God c. Againe a little after and so also heretickes may doe miracles among the Heathen to proue any article of the Christian faith Thus they compare now this of your men with that which the learned Protestant writeth for he teacheth no more but that your miracles are done if done at all in confirmation of some true points of Christian religion for the glory of Christs name For further clearing of this point I desire the Christian Reader to consider with me how that the Ignatian

and Popish Preachers doe at the first of their preaching endeauour or seeme to endeauour to laie for the foundation and first corner stone Christ Iesus whom they teach and proach to be the onlie Messias and that by faith in him and true repentance with obseruation of his commandements saluation is onlie to be purchased and vpon this ground worke they endeauour to ouerthrow all contrarie worships of Iewes Infidels and Gentiles And so long as they rest here their manner of preaching is Christian and Apostolicall for confirmation of which preaching to the Pagans if God be pleased to shew some miracles it is not much to be maruelled at But hauing by such manner of preaching conuerted some to be christians then they deliuer their owne Additaments to this foundation not of hay and stubble but of brambles and bryers then talke they of Indulgences praying to Saints Popes supremacie worshipping of Images with a thousand vanities and that we may better conceiue this their practice with the Infidels I will in some instances shew their manner of proceeding here in England When they assault anie they doe not at first inuite them to adoration and worshipping of Images or kneeling to the Crosse nay rather if occasion of speech of them be offered they will professe and protest that they The she manner vsed by Popish Priests to make their new Proselytes doe not adore them but that they haue them onlie before them in their Oratories and Churches as memorialls and remembrances of Christ and his Saints but being fullie conuerted then they impart vnto them the mysterie of adoration of Images yet in nice termes at first to wit that they adore and worship them not for themselue but for God and the Saints whom they represent Againe they doe not at first teach to their new conuerts especiallie if men of some good estate or discretion the Popes absolute and vnlimited power ouer Princes and kingdomes to depose or dispose of them no no that is a point reserued vntill they be of age fit for solide meat and when they doe teach the same it is done verie circumspectlie as that Sussex Ignatian G. ● whom I mention in my motiues who denied me absolution because I held that the Pope had not power to depose Princes yet the same equiuocating Padre the same day after Masses were ended we sitting at Table I proposing the question vnto him before the gentleman of the house his wife and some seruants whether the Pope had power to depose Princes made this direct answer that he could not nor would not affirme so much they were not as then capable of that solid meat but since as I heare they haue imbraced it Againe when they tell their new conuerts that their sinnes cannot be forgiuen without a Priests absolution doe they acquaint them with the mysterie of their Indulgences no assuredlie such excrements they leaue for solide meat and their postpasts So likewise to contract much in briefe at their first dealing with new conuerts they auoid as much as is in them to debate those questions which are controuerted betwixt them and vs and for that their maine fundamentall point of their Popish Gospell to wit their Popes Inerrability and Infallibilitie of iudgement in matters of faith do we thinke that they impart it to their new conuerts no no they rather teach him to be subiect to generall Councels and that in their Church no point of faith is or can be declared without the consent of a generall Councell thus they for the most part doe deale with most of those whom they seduce to their side first perswade and then teach as Tertullian of old wrote of the heretickes of his time All which considered their practice being answerable amongst the Infidels it is not to be maruelled if God who hath his elect in all places best known to himselfe doth for the confirmation of some fundamentall points of Christian religion which they at first truelie deliuer effect and worke some miracles whereby his elect out of the thickets of Idolatrie may be called to the Pastour of their Soules And so I end this discourse with a notable saying of S. Ciprian To prophecie to cast out deuills and to doe other great wonders vpon earth is a high and Ciprian de simp Prelat siue de vnit Ecclesiae a wonderfull thing yet he who is found to haue all these doth not therefore obtaine eternall saluation except he walke-in the obseruation of a iust and vpright way Thus he Which I desire you to consider Master Flud and so I come to examine what followeth in your reason Master Floode pag. 152. num 35. I thinke sobrietie will smile at the Protestants felicitie in this point who may sit by the fire-side or lie quiet in their warme-beds whilest the Iosuits go into barbarous Countries to worke miracles to proue forsooth their Gospell that Fryers may marry Nunnes and be saued by idle life in sole faith I should thinke it more probable that Luther in his nights conference with the Deuill a a De missa Angul did conuert and make him a friend to Christ that now hee will bee content to worke miracles to glorifie and extoll his name ANSWER Nay rather Master Floode sobrietie cannot containe from Vatinian-like laughter at your Ignatian felicitie in bragging and calumniating Of your bragging we haue alreadie giuen some touches a few words here Whereas you glory of your Iesuits going into barbarous Countries I pray you sir though they goe into barbarous Countries yet they goe not like Mendicants or without scrip and hauing only staues in their handes and sandalls vpon their feete no no sir they goe plentifully furnished with all manner of necessaries fauourablie countenanced and very honourably prouided for by those Marchants Portugalls or Spaniards who conduct I haue heard some of yours glory of the great and honourable entertainments yours haue there and they spoke by experience them into those Countries not to by corners or deserts but to principall or royall Cities or cheife townes of the same where their wants cannot be great but rather none at all Their manner of proceeding in those Countries is not vnlike vnto that of their brethren here in England amongst whom you shall hardly finde one of threescore that will reside in a mans house of meane note No Sir honourable houses are fit residences for your men and seruices of esteeme the reconciling of Ladies Nobles Noblesses and other Persons of worth but if there be any worke of hazard of labour or of meane sort that your brethren vse to put ouer to some Secular Priests their Pendants and Creatures which either reside neere vnto them or with them at their pleasures to go come or stay as they shall appoint Whereas you talke of sitting by the fire or sleeping in warme beds I dare boldly say number for number the same is more practised by your Priests and Ignatians then by our Ministers except some