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A38109 The first and second part of Gangræna, or, A catalogue and discovery of many of the errors, heresies, blasphemies and pernicious practices of the sectaries of this time, vented and acted in England in these four last years also a particular narration of divers stories, remarkable passages, letters : an extract of many letters, all concerning the present sects : together with some observations upon and corollaries from all the fore-named premisses / by Thomas Edwards ...; Gangraena. Part 1-2 Edwards, Thomas, 1599-1647. 1646 (1646) Wing E227; ESTC R9322 294,645 284

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conversion and what Peter did in this kinde after his foul fact of denying his Master issued from the weaknesse of his faith 79. That Gods children are not to aske the pardon and forgivenesse of their sins they need not they ought not and 't is no lesse then blasphemy for a child of God to aske pardon of sins 't is infidelity to aske pardon of sins and Davids asking forgivenesse of sin was his weaknesse 80. That when Abraham denyed his wife and in outward appearance seemed to lie in his distrust lying dissembling and equivocating that his wife was his sister even then truly all his thoughts words and deeds were perfectly holy and righteous from all spot of sin in the fight of God freely 81. The called of God have sin in the flesh they have sin in the conversation but they have no sin neither can they have any in the conscience for the true faith of Gods elect and sin in the conscience can no more stand together then light and darknesse and this reconciles those two Scriptures If we say we have no sin we deceive our selves and He that is borne of God doth not commi● sin neither can he because he is borne of God 82. The great Antichrist is that mysticall body of iniquity which opposeth Jesus Christ and not the Pope of Rome or any particular succession of men only he is a part of Antichrist Denn makes the opposition of Antinomian errours to be the man of sin and the great Antichrist as is to be seen in severall pages of his Man of sin discovered And Sectaries make them who deny Christs dying for all to be Antichrist others make Antichristianisme to consist in the coercive power of the Magistrate in matters of Religion 83. That the soul of man is mortall as the soul of a beast and dies with the body 84. That the souls of the faithfull after death do sleep til the day of judgement and are not in a capacity of acting any thing for God but 't is with them as 't is with a man that is in some pleasing dreame 85. That the bodies of the faithfull shall not rise again at the resurrection namely the same that died but their soules shall have other bodies made fit for them either by creation or faction from some preëxisting matter and though the bodies be new yet the men are the same because the same souls remaine still 86. Infants rise not again because they are not capable of knowing God and therefore not of enjoying him 87. That the perfection and resurrection spoken of by Paul 1. Cor. 15.51.52.53.54.55.56.57 the hope set before us the eternall inheritance a City having foundations whose builder and maker is God are to be attained in the fullnesse and perfection of them now in this present time before the common death of the body 88. That none of the soules of the Saints go to Heaven where Christ is but Heaven is empty of the Saints till the resurrection of the dead 89. There is no resurrection at all of the bodies of men after this life nor no Heaven nor hell after this life nor no devils 90. There shall be in the last day a resurrection from the dead of all the bruit creatures all beasts and birds that ever lived upon the earth every individuall of every kinde of them that died shall rise again as well as of men and all these creatures shall live for ever upon the earth 91 There is no hell but in this life and that 's the legall terrours and feares which men have in their consciences 92. That there is no Church of Christ upon the earth no true Ministery no Sacraments no Gospel no faith because there are no visible nor infallible gifts 93. No man is damned but for rejecting the Gospel and none can reject the Gospel but those who have it tendred unto them as they had in the Apostles dayes being confirmed by miracles 94. That the pure preaching of the Word and righ administration of the Saments are no notes nor signes of a true visible Church 95. 'T is the will of God that miracles should attend the Ministry the Apostles make a marriage of doctrine and miracles so that they who preach the Gospel must be so gifted as to confirme it by signes and wonders 96. That many Christians in these dayes have more knowledge then the Apostles and when the time is come that there shall be true Churches and Ministery erected they shall have greater gifts and do greater miracles then the Apostles ever did because the Christian Church was but then in its infancy 97. That there ought to be in these times no making or building of Churches nor use of Church-ordinances as ministring of the Word Sacraments but waiting for a Church being in a readiness upon all occasions to take knowledge of any passenger of any opinion or tenet whatsover the Saints as pilgrims doe wander as in a Temple of smoak not able to finde Religion and therefore should not plant it by gathering or building a pretended supposed House but should wait for the coming of the Spirit as the Apostles did 98. There is a salvation that shall be revealed in the last times which was not known to the Apostles themselves 99. That within a while God will raise up Apostles men extraordinarily endowed with visible and infallible gifts to preach the Gospel and that shall precede the fall of Rome 100. That in points of Religion even in the Articles of faith and principles of Religion there 's nothing certainly to be beleeved and built on onely that all men ought to have liberty of conscience and liberty of prophesying 101. That the Scriptures no where speak of Sacraments name or thing 102. That the Covenant whereof Circumcision was the seale was onely of temporall promises as Ex. G. of the land of Canaan that the Covenant God made with Abraham had nothing spirituall in it and that Circumcision was a seal of the righteousnesse of faith to no other but to Abraham alone quatenus a father and not to his children 103. That Baptism is not a seal nor signe of the Covenant of grace 104. That Poedobaptisme is unlawfull and Antichristian and that 't is as lawfull to baptize a Cat or a Dog or a Chicken as to baptize the Infants of beleevers 105. 'T is as lawfull to break any of the ten Commandements as to baptize an Infant yea 't is as lawfull to commit adultery and murther as to baptize a childe 106. That baptizing belongs not to Ministers onely all gifted brethren and preaching Disciples though no Ministers may baptize 107. Baptizednesse is not essentiall to the Baptizer nor essentiall to preaching so that persons not onely not in office but not so much as baptized may both baptize and preach 108. Miracles are essentiall to the administration holden forth in the commission of Baptisme Matt. 28.19 109. That none are to be admitted to the
belong to sinners as sinners not as repenting or humbled sinners 30. Faith is truly and simply this a being perswaded more or lesse of Christs love 31. That there is no other Seale but the Spirit and for the elements consecrated to be Signes and Seales to us in the Sacraments they are not but emptie things and of no effect 32. That Christ is Baptisme to us the outward signe needleesse 33. No Christian Magistrate hath power of inflicting capitall punishment and taking away of the life of any member of a Church unlesse first he be cast out of the Church and so delivered to the Secular Power no what ever his offence should be though murther or treason 34. That place of Scripture Hee that sheddeth mans bloud by man shall his bloud be he shed belongs to Moses his Disciples and not to Christs Disciples and Christians have nothing to do with it In my last Book I gave the Reader an account of many of the practices of the Sectaries both more generally and particularly and I instanced in twentie eight practices Now though there are many more behind yet because my Book is both expected suddenly to come forth and is enlarged beyond my first intention I will only instance in two 1. They do deny and professe to many that they are no Independents no Antinomians no Anabaptists but they are thus and thus and will be so and so and these are but reproachfull names given out and cast upon honest godly conscientious men by the Ministers and Presbyterians as Puritan and such like were in former times by the Bishops and of this I could give the Reader many proofs in printed Books of the Anabaptists Independents Antinomians as such Churches falsly called Anabaptists c. And now there is never an Independent in England if you will but take what themselves say though they be such who stickle act work vote and by all wayes in all places where they have any thing to do promote side with Independents Anabaptists c. yet they will confidently say they are no Independents they are of no Church way nor know not what it is nay some of them will say they are Presbyterians in their judgement or at least do wait and stay to see what the Results of the Assembly and Parliament after them will be and yet there is many of these men that let any person or thing come in nomination and competitition that concerns Presbyterie and they will favour promote further Independencie be it right or wrong and on the contrarie discountenance hinder obstruct the Presbyterians wherein they just walk in the steps of the Bishops and their creatures who upon all occasions dsclaimed Poperie Arminianisme and when Papists and Arminians were spoken of they would be hot against them and were against Poperie properly so called as the expression was and against Arminius meaning those points Arminius held about the government of the Church not those of Grace and Free-will c. and yet these Bishops and their Chaplains preferred Arminians and persons Popishly affected licensed Books tending that way brought them oft when in trouble would remember those who preached against Poperie and Arminianisme and it was observed and I have been told it by a man of place in those times who disliked such wayes that when the Arch-Bishop blustered and spoke most against any Priest or Papist and for the Church of England then the next newes they were sure to hear of was a Release and whether there be not too many such in these times who will not be accounted Independents Anabaptists Antinomians that yet countenance their Books are familiar with such being all in all with them bringing them off when in question sitting hard on the skirts when there is any opportunitie of all those who have complained or been active against the Sectaries I leave to all to judge 2. Some of the Sectaries when they have been questioned and in trouble or been by some Ministers convinced that they had nothing to say for themselves and their way have and will do any thing for the present as recant confesse their Errours say they are convinced and satisfied promise never to go about preaching or dipping any more and yet afterwards when free and come to their companions go on in their wayes both against their hands promises professions and of this there are many examples and instances among us as of a Sectarie an Emissarie sent into Northamptonshire being for his Doctrines separated meetings affronting a Minister in the Pulpit complained of by some Ministers and questioned by the Magistrates gave it under-his hand to forbeare his course and return home yet afterwards goes to other parts of the Countrey and drawes the people into houses preaching to them c. So some Sectaries of Lams Church or their great Associaces coming into Essex to corrupt the people and some of the Ministers dealing with them upon some of their Tenets convinced them so as that they openly blessed God for that dayes work and the light they had received even weeping for joy and yet presently afterwards going on their progresse to seduce at another Town in the same Countie some hint or notice being given of their late conviction they said they wept to think how nigh the Ministers were come to them and so I might give instance in Clarkson professing against the dipping to get out of prison and as soon as he was loose turning Seeker and so in ● b but I must take off my hand only this fulfils what is spoken in the Scriptures of Heretikes That they have their consciences seared with an hot iron and sin being condemned of themselves A Relation of some stories and other remarkable passages concerning the Sects and Sectaries THere is an Independent Antinomian Libertine Preacher here in London a man much followed and cried up by the Sectaries who in Sermons hath delivered these passages That a poore whoore-master or a poore drunkard cannot look into your Churches speaking of the Presbyterian Preachers but hell fire must be flashed and throwne in their faces That if a Saint should commit a grosse sin and upon the committing thereof should be startled at it that were a great sin in him And in obedience to this and other Doctrines of some of the Sectaries of our times I will give the Reader some instances both of words and facts There is a godly understanding man an old Disciple who told me on April 28. 1646. That having a daughter a young maid religiously affected shee was drawn in to affect the Independents and to cry them much up and to follow them and shee procured her selfe to be servant in a family of some rank and place where the Master and Mistresse are Independents Now being there she expected some great holinesse and extraordinarie strictnesse in the family but she found matters thus On the Lords day they were verie loose in the fore-noon they would go to heare Mr. Sterry at White-Hall as not living far