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A41583	Gospel-baptism or, plain proof, that the mode of dipping, plunging or immersion, now commonly used by the people called Anabaptists; is according to the primitive institution in a letter to Mr. Samuel Young. Occasioned by his sharp reflections in contempt of that way, and the defenders thereof in a small book, entituled, A second and last New-Years-Gift, &c. With some notes concering the true subject. By a lover of truth.	Minge, Thomas.	1700 (1700)	Wing G1312A; Wing M2190A; ESTC R221577	28,906	73

〈◊〉 of Understanding and Reason should h●● an Act of Religious Worship performed 〈◊〉 to him which is proper for himself to ●●lieve desire and act and that also wher●● is performed by another for him that Ac●● confessedly by the Person so acting that 〈◊〉 of no profit or advantage at all to such C●●ture without his future concurrence in 〈◊〉 approbation and belief of the things done ●nd required What can enforce the per●●rming of that Act but the sole Authority 〈◊〉 four only Law-giver the Lord Jesus Christ which whether it be his Law that Infants ●●ould be Baptized I shall by and by con●●der Only by the way passing by ●any things that might be said from the ●atechism besides I shall make a Collection from the Greek Word whereby Baptism is signified of the import thereof as ●●e Author gives it viz. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Eo ●●od non submersi in aqua perpetuo simus sed ●ntum puncto temporis quasi in aliquod sepul●rum subimus ut statim ex eo emergamus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and more often 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 submer●●s quasi 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 qui est in profundo profun●●s A 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 fundum ima pars imus ●●rges à quo 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in profundum jacio demergo 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 subimus c. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ●●nitus ingredior me abdo c. hîc verò sig●ficat demergo vel submergo itemque submer●●r Latine in profundum defigo à 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 deorsum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 figo unde dicitur ●●l 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 quum occidit aut se ab●●t vel descendit 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sub terram c. ●ontra 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vel 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 emerso sursum pro●●o vel erumpo e profundo usque ad superficiem aquae erumpo Item orior 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ab 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sursum What more different from sprinkling than all this which is brought to signifie Baptism and in that Death going down into the Grave and Resurrection or Coming out again Here are a plentiful number of Words and more might have been mentioned from the same Author signifying dipping plunging casting yea sixing momento temporis tamen in baptismo to the Bottom into the Deep the lowest part A going down under hiding Again a rising up a coming forth a breaking out a breaking out from the Deep to the upper part of the Water Call this sprinking if you can If not sprinkling then dipping if dipping then a plain Representation of Death Burial and Resurrection as aforesaid according to the Design Property Practice and Example of the primitive Institution I might bring in more Authors who give a plain and plentiful Testimony against their own practice but these may suffice there being in your own Opinion more than enough Now a Word or two about the Covenant with Abraham and the Sign of it Circumcision Gen. 12. Now the Lord had said unto Abraham get thee out of thy Countrey and from thy kindred and from thy Fathers house unto a Land that I will shew thee And I will make of thee a great Nation and I will bless thee and make thy Name great and thou shalt be a blessing And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee and in thee shall all the Families of the Earth be blessed Chap. 13. v. 14 c. And the Lord said unto Abraham All the Land which thou seest to thee will I give it and to thy seed for ever And I will make thy seed as the Dust of the Earth so that if a Man can number the Dust of the Earth then shall thy seed also be numbred Arise walk through the Land in the length of it and in the breadth of it for I will give it unto thee Chap. 15.4 5 6. A Son promised and the multpilication of his Seed And he believed in the Lord and he counted it to him for Righteousness Chap. 17.2 I will make my covenant between me and thee and I will multiply thee exceedingly v. 10. This is my Covenant which ye shall keep between me and you and thy seed after thee every Man child among you shall be circumcised And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your Foreskin and it shall be a Token of the Covenant between me and you And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you every Man-child in your Generations he that is born in the House ●● bought with Money of any Stranger which i● not of thy seed must needs be circumcised and my Covenant shall be in your Flesh● c. Here was Abraham's Call from his own Country c. and a promise of another Earthly Country and the multiplication of his Seed that were to possess that Countrey there was no other exprest that Earthly and Corporal though thereby Abraham the Father of the Faithful understood the Promise of the spiritual See● and heavenly Canaan also and Abraham believed c. Rom. 4.11 Circumcision was called a Seal of the Righteousness of Faith in respect of Abraham wh● actually believed the Promise which was as a Writing or Evidence to which th● Seal was put and the Promise being that he should become a great Nation and ● separate and chosen People distinct from aother Nations God was pleased to command that Circumcision should be a Sea● of his Covenant with Abraham in th● flesh of all that made up the Body of that Nation Every Male child born in the House or bought with Money We read not that Faith was a Praerequisite to the Admission of any to the Sign or Seal of Circumcision The Master buys the Servant is circumcised Circumcision was restrained to Abraham and his Seed and the Retainers to their Families as they were to be a distinct and separate Nation and National Church differing in that indelible Character and External Worship from all others It hath pleased God that they above all People of the World should have a distinct Character that they should be known above all People of the World however scattered I deny not but Circumcision had its spiritual Signification to all the Faithful in that Nation but what was commanded them was binding to no People of the World besides tho' they were Believers Job and Cornelius were not circumcised We need not go the Old Testament for a Gospel Institution In the Institution of Baptism by our great Law-giver Christ Jesus The Command was Go teach all Nations baptizing No such Command preceded Circucision Mark 16.16 He that shall believe and be baptized shall be saved Belief is set before Baptism because they which were then to be baptized were Adulti Men of sufficient Years in whom Faith and Confession of their sins was first required as Mat.

the Flame a●● abate the Heat of over-grown Zeal whi●● seemed to appear against the Example● our dear Lord and Master and Practi●● of his Disciples As to those with yourself who maintain and defend Infant-Baptism I blame them not I believe th●● are sincere and that they think they a●● in the right and act not against th●● Light perswading themselves from Circumcision and their Childrens being 〈◊〉 the Covenant by virtue of their Paren●● Faith However as to the Mode I could almost be as censorious as another in judging a Man of Learning to speak against ●●is Knowledge and so his Conscience also when he denies Dipping to be understood by the Word Baptism I shall ●ot undertake to run through the whole ●ontroversie I knowing I may unwillingly and weakly abuse a good Cause which ●as not wanted Men of Learning and Piety 〈◊〉 defend it As to the Word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with its De●●vatives your self knows better than I ●ho profess my self no Master of the ●reek Tongue I know you are well acquainted with Scapula and he tells me that ΒΑΠΓΩ signifies Mergo Immergo ●●em tingo quod fit immergendo item ●avo c. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mergo seu Immergo ●●bmergo Obruo aquâ Abluo Lavo 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mersio Lotio Ablutio ipse im●ergendi item lavandi seu abluendi actus And so he goes on with his Derivatives 〈◊〉 denoting the use of a great and ●ot a small sprinkling Quantity of Water George Pasor in his Lexicon hath ●he same with which other Authors a●ree as is very well known also to you ●endrick Hexham renders the Word Baptism Doopinge which in English we know 〈◊〉 Dipping which the Translators of our Bible might as truly have done if they ha●● pleased but we and most whose Languages border upon the Latin follow th●● Greek which I think is something of abuse occasioning doubt when perhaps there would be none In three other Dutch Dictionaries which I have also Baptism is rendred Een doopsel do●● which again turned into Latin is Baptisma c. Immersio c. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ick doop●● doopen baptizare mergere immerge●● c. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Een dooper baptized Gedoop● The day of one's Baptism Den dagh v●● yemants doopinge den doop-dagh No● to the Text it self in Dutch Bibles 〈◊〉 several Translations Matth. 3.5 6. D● is tot hem uytgegaen Jerusalem ende ghehe●● Judea ende 't gheheele lant rontom den Jo●● daen Ende wierden van hem ghedoopt in 〈◊〉 Jordaen beliidende hare sonden Verse 〈◊〉 Hy dan siende vele van de Phariseen en●● Sadduceen tot siinen doop komen sprack ● v. 11. Ick doope u wel met water tot beke●● ringhe maer dic na my komp is sterck●● dan ick c. die sal u met den heylig●● geest ende met vyer doopen Here 〈◊〉 pleased to Observe that the Dut●● are not ashamed to say according to the Original if the Word with 〈◊〉 there I dip you with Water which you were pleased to say was Nonsence ●●beg of you to excogitate and declare 〈◊〉 way how to be dipt in it without it ●●er 13. Doe quam Jesus van Galilea na 〈◊〉 Jordaen tot Joannem om van hem ghe●●opt te worden Jesus came c. to be ●●pt Doch Joannes c. My is noodich ●●n u ghedoopt te worden I have need to be ●●t of thee v. 16. Ende Jesus ghedoopt ●●inde is ter stondt opgeklommen uyt het Wa●●● c. And Jesus when he was dipt went 〈◊〉 straightway out of the Water The three ●●veral Bibles of several Translations ●hich I have by me though they ex●●ess truly other things in differing words ●et they all agree in Words signifying 〈◊〉 Baptizing Dipping Now a little of the Text in Greek ●at 3.11 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith Pasor ex Hebraismo hîc redundat ●go quidem baptizo vos aquâ I baptize you 〈◊〉 with Water as you affirm in opposition 〈◊〉 Dipping Suppose 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 be superfluous ●here is nothing of the Cause lost by it ●●or there can be no Dipping in it without 〈◊〉 and therefore they must dip with it ●ut forasmuch as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is in the Text why should it be turned out Some Translators continue it it I have three Translation that have it One in Flemish another Spanish and a third in Italian The former in Dutch hath it thus Matth. 3. Ick doope u in 't water tot penitentie ma● by die na mij comen sal is stercker dan ick● w●ens schoenen ick niet waerdich en ben 〈◊〉 draghon die sal u doopen in den heylig●● gheest ende vier This Version printe● 1548. In the Other in Spanish it is thus Mar. 3. v. 11. Yo ciertamente os baptizo 〈◊〉 agua para conversion mas el que viene tra● m● mas poderoso es que yo cuyos çapat● yo no soy digno de llevar El os baptizan en Espiritu sancto y fuego Testament printe● 1596. Here you have In retain'd a● in the Greek and so I baptize or dip i● Water In Italian thus Jo certamente vi batt● zo in acqua alla penitentia ma quello 〈◊〉 viene doppo me è piu possente die me d● quaele io non sono degno di portare i Calzament● esso vi battezera in Spiritò santo et fu●c● If dipping with Water be Nonsence the● pray accept of dipping in The Sen●● you have in the 2 Kings 5.14 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Then went Naaman down and dipped himself seven times in Jordan Here we may observe that he went down into the Water and yet is said to baptize or dip himself in ●n Jordan Immersit se as Pasor has it Therefore his going down was no hin●erance to his total Immersion or Dipping which you have been pleased to intimate but did facilitate it It is too trifling to talk of an Engine The usual way of Plunging is certainly as near the Original Pattern and Institution as can enter into the Heart of Man and that Submersion that is usually made if considered will be found to be an Immersion even of the very Feet by the Administrator Beyond what is possible God expects not from Man Baptism as is respects Doctrine whether it be of Water or of the Spirit or Affliction signifies more than a Sprinkling or Pouring and the two latter are an Allusion to the former Joh. 20.22 Are you able to drink of the Cup that I shall drink of and to be Baptized with the Baptism that I am baptized with That Baptism of our Saviour was the Baptism of Afflictions more than a Sprinkling He was a Man of Sorrow and acquainted with Grief The Metaphor saith Pasor is familiar to the Scriptures in which Afflictions are compared to Whirlpools of Water with which those wh● are annoy'd with the Miseries and Cala●mities of this

it But who knows which do and which do not belong to the Invisible Church It is the Searcher of Hearts God alone that knows who are his Man can make Judgment of no more than Profession and Practice which fall under the Observation of the Senses Can they be said to be of and not of a visible Church at the same time In your New-Years-Gift pag. 22. your words are these Brethren be sober Are not all that are added to the Church to be baptized Are no Infants added to the Church are they lost were they not once added to the Church Page 24. of ditto Again you say For my part I have been long of the Opinion Baptism is not properly an initiating Ordinance whether of Infants or Adult they are no● baptized and so made Church-members but they are Church-members and so baptized Coronation doth not make a King but declare him so c. Acts 2.38 And Peter said unto them Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the Remission of Sins c. v. 39. For the promise is unto you and to your Children and to all that are afar off even as many as the Lord our God shall call v. 41. Then they that gladly received his Word were baptized and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand Souls And they continued stedfastly in the Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship and breaking of Bread and in Prayers no Infants could be of this number And fear came upon every Soul Infants know nothing therefore can fear nothing And all that believed were together c. 46 47. And they continued daily with one accord in the Temple and breaking bread from house to house did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart Praising God and having favour with all people and the Lord added to the Church daily such as should be saved None of the Characters of these People which were added to the Church agree with Infants And was it not next to a Miracle if none of these three Thousand had an Infant or young Child and would it not be a greater wonder if they so had that they did not make hast to baptize such Child lest it should go out of the World before it was made a Christian by Baptism And if it had been so baptized is it not as great a Wonder that we have no Record of any such thing especially if it were of that weight for Infants to be baptized as some People esteem and affirm Certainly it is more probable that some of these three Thousand had Infants than that there were Infants baptized in the two or three Families whereof it is said They believed with all their House and that they rejoiced with all their House For Infants cannot properly be said to do either But why should we expect a Record of that for which there was no Prescript or Command by the great Law-giver which if it had been his Will certainly he would have been as plain and positive as the Lord was in the Command to Abraham in the Covenant of Circumcision But the Gospel is more spiritual is a New Covenant the Right of Gospel Ordinances comes in by Faith and the Pedobaptists themselves as I have shown acknowledge the Insignificancy of Infants baptism unless they confirm it by their own Faith when they are grown up You your self are pleased to use probable Arguments you see here I have imitated you You see those who were added to the Church they were such as were baptized Are no Infants added to the Church visible No none without a Profession and Profession they are not capable of because they have not Faith as I have shewed out of your own Writers Are they lost No ne'er the more nor sooner for want of Baptism as I have made it appear out of your own Writers Calvin Vrsinus c. First It is Contempt and not the wan● of the Sacrament doth condemn Vrsinus c. Now Children cannot contemn for they know nothing of the Matter Secondly The Parents who are Godly and are for Believers Baptism they contemn not Baptism by retaining their Infants from it but so retain them because their Consciences tell them that it would be a profaning of the Sacred Ordinance by preferring an improper and unqualified Subject to it And if they should so do it would be their Sin If the Parents sin therein I mean by retaining the Children from Baptism the Child will not suffer for their Parents sin Well say you Were not Infants once added to the Church I answer Yes To the Jewish Church-National according to your sense if I mistake not as soon as they were born but had not the Seal of the Church-Covenant till eight Days after But what is that to the Gospel-Church state The Church state now is not National but Congregational as many as God shall call into the Houshold of Faith as hath been sufficiently demonstrated already It is not buying with Money will give a Right to Baptism Excluding Infants from Baptism excludeth them not from Salvation as hath been said before I must have one probable Argument more about the three thousand Is it likely that among these there was not one Woman when commonly they are the more plentiful Sex If there was one certainly she must be a Communicant for they brake Bread from House to House We read of Womens believing and being baptized and Believers were commanded to observe all things that were delivered unto them Now if you can prove that any Infants believed then you may find out another probable Argument on your part But let that pass we have enough without far fetched Things You say Infants are Church-members and so baptized Coronation doth not make a King but declare him so But Kings have become so by God's choice immediately whereof the Prophets have given Testimony others mediately by Men others so by Conquest So others Hereditary and are so by some standing Law and all these precede Coronation and by all these ways God sets up Kings S● when God by his Law qualifies a Person and makes him a spiritual King by giving him Faith and writing his Law in his Heart making him his child then is baptism as a Crown to declare him such in the Church of God A Word to your Comparison of the Table it looks a Kitchin one for such Tables are wont to be wash'd Pag. 24. Suppose you had a Table equally dirty every where and your Maid should pour Water on and that but a little at one end or if it were a round Table and so had no end only a little on one part and there wash'd and no further would you then say that Table was wash'd Even such is your Parties Practice If she had washed all over she had done the Business and in doing that there must have been not only Inspersion or Aspersion but Frication and Abstersion Thus you see for one Trifle I but in another

Pray condemn me not for my presuming Ingratitude in that I so saucily take part of your New-Year-Gift and throw it ●n your Face For it is to a good End only to act the part of an Occulist to make you rub your Eyes that you may the better ●e the Vanity of your own admired Arguments in opposition to the solid Judgment ●f the primitive Christians the very Nature ●nd Native Property of Languages the Aseveration of the most Pious and Learned who would not lye for God nor talk deceitfully in a cause that they thought for him and had so much Candor and Integrity that they would acknowledge the Truth ●f the Thing though it made most against them in the management of a Cause with their strenuous and utmost Skill Dexterity and Wit Nay you have opposed two Councils mentioned by Perkins a Pious and Reverend Divine To stick by your Arguments against Dipping is as absurd and ridiculous as to say there is no such place as China or the East or West Indies Whe● things are Evident in themselves and wherein all Parties are agreed as concerning Womens Communion at the Lord's Table they having the same Essential part that gives a right to wit Faith and Admission by Baptism into the visible Church● There need no Dependance upon the Rule of Grammar And for a Man that he must bear Rule in his own House it is Evident in its own Nature Can there be as Ordinance and no Coherence of the Quality of the Subject that is to Obey Th● very Word Ordinance denotes in th● Institution a Subject capable of Obedience and to all right Obedience there must be Faith unless it were otherwise declared in the Institution The Stones i● the Spiritual Building ought to be Living Stones You were pleased to say That Dipping with Water was Nonsense I say That to say a Man that is distracted is out of his Wits is also Nonsense fo● the proper Meaning is that his Wits are out of him But the Phrase hath obtained so much Reputation by Custom and runs so smooth that I should be accounted little other than delirious if I should attempt to alter the Vulgar and Smooth and bring in the Rugged and Harsh sounded Expression The Wits are out of the Man And indeed there is need of no Alteration since every one understands the Meaning to be good Sense Well I have proved the manner of Baptism to be by dipping in Water I beseech you let it pass smooth by the Name or Phrase Baptizing with Water since several ways there are and have been shewed Reasons for it There is one Argument comes into my Mind that is much used by your Party The Foederal Holiness of Children 1 Cor. 7.14 The unbelieving Husband is sanctified by the Wife and the unbelieving Wife is sanctified by the Husband else were your Children unclean but now are they holy If this Holiness were a Fruit of special Grace and of the Everlasting Covenant or a Sanctification in the Womb such as John's was it would certainly end in Glorification and the Way leading to that end would be a Holy Life But common Experience hath found that the Life and Death of the Childrne of the Believer have many times appeared as bad as the Life and Death of the Children of the most profane And therefore the Holiness cannot as they come of their Parents be the Holiness of the Everlasting Covenant I tell you or rather all Men know what it is not by the Issue and Event I leave it to others to define what it is The Papists affirm That the Baptism if Children and Infants is grounded upon Tradition and not upon Scripture The Protestants answer It were very hard if we had no more certain Ground for the Baptizing of Infants than Tradition which is but a feeble Weapon to fight against Hereticks withal Willet's Synop. pag. 491. Then they produce Scriptures Gen. 17. 1 Cor. 7.14 c. as is usual and need no Repetition Dr. Stilling fleet late Bishop acknowledgeth in his Scripture proof i● Opposition to the Papists a necessity of a Profession of Faith in order to Baptism and so brings in a necessity of Sponsors and affirms that what they cannot do personally by themselves they do by their Sponsors In a Book Entituled Duplies of the Ministers and Professors of Aberdene to the Second Answers of some Reverend Brethren concerning the late Covenant Pag. 97. you have it thus Lastly Of the Stipulation of Godfathers in Baptism instanced by us in our Fifth Demand ye have spoken nothing particularly either in your First or Second Answers We have no Precept or Example of it in Holy Scripture Yea some of our Learned Divines affirm that it was instituted by Pope Higynus and ye will not deny that it hath been much abused in Popery How cometh it to pass then that this Ceremony is allowed and used by some of you We say some for we are informed that some of your Mind do not use it at all See Dr. Morton in his Defence of the Three Ceremonies pag. 24. See Pet. Martyr on the 6th Chapter of ●he Epistle to the Romans and Gerard in Loc. Theolog. Tom. 4. Here by the way Observe that the Doctors and Ministers of Aberdene as I no●ed Calvin did before did esteem the not having Precept or Example in Holy Scripture for Practice of a Thing an Argument of sufficient weight to perswade them against it and to reject it You may be pleased to observe the several Shifts that the Pedobaptists have been put to to support the Ungospel-like Practice of Sprinkling or Baptizing as it is called Infants First As to the Subject The Gospel-Church-member is expresly declared to be a Believer not a Word in the Scriptures of any other but such baptized That Infant-Baptism may be proved they have recourse to the Practice of Circumcision enjoyned to Abraham and his Seed though we read not of any Doctrine of Faith preached to any that were admitted to it They that were bought with Money by an Express Command from God were to be circumcised Infants say they were circumcised then and why not Children baptized now since it is evident God hath as much care of Infants now as he had then And yet generally confess'd that their Baptism signifies nothing in respect of their Estate before God helps them nothing without their personal Faith when they are grown up The Question then may be why they may not as well defer Baptism till they are capable of Faith and Profession for there will be no time lost all that time wherein they were not bettered by what they could do as Infants or Parents and Godfathers did or could ●o for them Circumcision did not belong ●o the Priest's Office the Parent usually circumcised Baptism belongs to the Gospel-Minister he that teacheth is to baptize Some say the Parents Faith gives a Right to Baptism Pray who can say 〈◊〉 though they may in Charity be thought ●o have had that they