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error_n of_o what_o nature_n 208._o the_o catholic_a church_n her_o head_n and_o root_n not_o she_o of_o it_o 240_o etc._n etc._n roman_a sea_n in_o what_o case_n a_o particular_a church_n may_v make_v canon_n with_o out_o consult_v it_o 98_o 99_o etc._n etc._n 109._o romanist_n their_o cunning_a deal_n with_o their_o convert_v in_o fieri_fw-la 83._o of_o their_o call_n for_o a_o free_a hear_n 94_o 95._o their_o agreement_n with_o the_o donatist_n in_o contract_v the_o church_n to_o their_o side_n 188_o 189._o their_o danger_n in_o different_a respect_n lesser_a or_o great_a than_o that_o of_o the_o donatist_n 196_o ruffinus_n his_o pernicious_a cunning_n 6_o his_o dissent_n from_o the_o roman_a church_n 10._o brand_v by_o the_o pope_n with_o heresy_n 11._o his_o word_n explain_v 8_o 9_o 10_o s_o sacrament_n against_o the_o necessity_n of_o his_o intention_n who_o administer_v they_o 178_o 179_o etc._n etc._n 200_o 213_o sacrilege_n and_o schism_n usual_o go_v together_o 101_o saint_n against_o the_o invocation_n of_o they_o 181._o they_o be_v make_v by_o bellarmine_n to_o be_v numina_fw-la and_o in_o some_o sort_n our_o redeemer_n ibid._n salvation_n controversy_n among_o the_o romanist_n about_o the_o certainty_n of_o it_o 32_o schism_n the_o heinousness_n of_o it_o 95_o who_o the_o cause_n of_o it_o at_o this_o day_n 86_o 88_o 126._o the_o continuance_n of_o it_o whence_o 94_o schismatical_a church_n to_o live_v in_o one_o and_o to_o communicate_v in_o the_o schism_n how_o different_a 194._o the_o protestant_n their_o leave_v rome_n no_o schism_n 126._o of_o the_o schism_n of_o israel_n and_o those_o that_o live_v there_o in_o the_o time_n of_o it_o 97_o 194_o science_n supreme_a what_o 78_o scotus_n right_v 20_o scripture_n that_o it_o be_v receive_v and_o have_v continue_v uncorrupt_a 79_o what_o book_n make_v up_o the_o canon_n of_o it_o 11._o all_o part_n of_o it_o alike_o firm_a not_o alike_o fundamental_a 27._o that_o it_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v a_o prime_a principle_n of_o faith_n 28_o etc._n etc._n 75_o 76_o 80_o the_o sufficiency_n of_o it_o 34_o 75_o 76_o etc._n etc._n 81._o how_o know_v to_o be_v god_n word_n 38_o etc._n etc._n of_o the_o circular_a probation_n of_o scripture_n by_o tradition_n and_o tradition_n by_o scripture_n 38_o 75_o the_o different_a way_n of_o prove_v it_o 39_o it_o be_v a_o high_a proof_n than_o the_o church_n tradition_n 40._o the_o testimony_n prove_v it_o must_v be_v divine_a and_o infallible_a 43_o 45_o 47_o whether_o it_o can_v be_v know_v to_o be_v god_n word_n by_o its_o own_o light_n 45_o 46._o and_o that_o the_o roman_a church_n by_o her_o own_o tenet_n ought_v so_o to_o hold_v 46._o what_o the_o chief_a and_o what_o the_o first_o inducement_n to_o the_o credibility_n of_o it_o 53_o 54_o 57_o 65_o 66_o 68_o the_o divine_a light_n thereof_o and_o what_o light_n the_o natural_a man_n see_v in_o it_o 53_o 54._o confirmation_n by_o
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he_o will_v fain_o slide_v by_o it_o and_o by_o a_o parallel_n place_n as_o full_a in_o s._n augin_n psal._n 21._o exposition_n 2._o with_o this_o shift_n that_o s._n augustine_n in_o another_o place_n have_v rather_o use_v the_o testimony_n of_o tradition_n that_o be_v the_o testimony_n nuncupativi_fw-la potiùs_fw-la quam_fw-la scripti_fw-la testamenti_fw-la of_o the_o nuncupative_a tather_o than_o the_o write_a will_n of_o christ._n baldwin_n in_o optat._n l._n 5._o but_o this_o be_v a_o mere_a shift_n first_o because_o it_o be_v petitio_fw-la principii_fw-la the_o mere_a beg_n of_o the_o question_n for_o we_o deny_v any_o testament_n of_o christ_n but_o that_o which_o be_v write_v and_o a._n c._n can_v show_v it_o in_o any_o one_o father_n of_o the_o church_n that_o christ_n ever_o leave_v behim_v a_o nuncupative_a obligatory_a will._n second_o because_o nothing_o be_v more_o plain_a in_o these_o two_o father_n optatus_n and_o s._n augustine_n than_o that_o both_o of_o they_o 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will_n read_v all_o which_o passage_n be_v most_o express_a and_o full_a for_o his_o write_a will_n and_o not_o for_o any_o nuncupative_a will_n as_o baldwin_n will_v put_v upon_o we_o and_o hart_n who_o take_v the_o same_o way_n with_o baldwin_n be_v not_o able_a to_o make_v it_o out_o as_o appear_v by_o dr._n reynolds_n in_o his_o conference_n with_o hart_n c._n 8._o divis_fw-la 1._o p._n 396_o etc._n etc._n etc._n §._o 28._o num._n 1._o and_o so_o plain_o s._n augustine_n speak_v of_o s._n cyprian_n error_n about_o rebaptisation_n etc._n etc._n say_v illis_fw-la temporibus_fw-la antequà m_fw-la plenarii_fw-la concilii_fw-la sententia_fw-la quid_fw-la in_o hac_fw-la â—e_n sequendum_fw-la esset_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la consensio_fw-la confirmasset_fw-la visum_fw-la est_fw-la ei_fw-la cum_fw-la etc._n etc._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr bapt._n cont_n donatist_n â—_o 18._o so_o here_o be_v first_o sententia_fw-la conciâ—i_n and_o then_o the_o confirmation_n of_o it_o be_v totius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la consensio_fw-la the_o consent_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n yield_v unto_o it_o and_o so_o gerson_n concurrente_fw-la universali_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la consensu_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o declaratione_fw-la veritatum_fw-la quae_fw-la credendae_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n §._o 4._o for_o this_o that_o the_o pope_n must_v confirm_v it_o or_o else_o the_o general_n council_n be_v invalid_a be_v one_o of_o the_o roman_a novelty_n for_o this_o can_v be_v show_v in_o any_o antiquity_n void_a of_o just_a exception_n the_o truth_n be_v the_o pope_n as_o other_o patriarch_n and_o great_a bishop_n use_v to_o do_v do_v give_v his_o assent_n to_o such_o counsel_n as_o he_o approve_v but_o that_o be_v no_o corroboration_n of_o the_o council_n as_o if_o it_o be_v invalid_a without_o it_o but_o a_o declaration_n of_o his_o consent_n with_o the_o rest_n §._o 33._o consid._n 4_o num._n 6._o a._n c._n p._n 59_o 60._o 60._o christianâ—tas_fw-la in_o diversas_fw-la haereses_fw-la scâ—ssa_fw-la est_fw-la quia_fw-la non_fw-la erat_fw-la licentia_fw-la episcopis_fw-la in_o unum_fw-la convenire_fw-la persecutione_n saeviente_fw-la usque_fw-la ad_fw-la tempora_fw-la constantini_n etc._n etc._n isidor_n praefat_fw-la in_o council_n edit_fw-la venet._n 1585._o 1585._o prequens_n generalium_fw-la conciliorum_fw-la celebratio_fw-la est_fw-la praecipua_fw-la cultura_fw-la agri_n dominici_n etc._n etc._n et_fw-la illorum_fw-la neglectus_fw-la errores_fw-la haereses_fw-la &_o schismata_fw-la disseminat_fw-la hec_fw-la praeteritorum_fw-la temporum_fw-la recordatio_fw-la &_o praesentium_fw-la consideratio_fw-la ante_fw-la oculos_fw-la nostros_fw-la ponunt_fw-la itaque_fw-la sancimus_fw-la ut_fw-la à _fw-la modò_fw-la concilia_fw-la generalia_fw-la celebrentur_fw-la ita_fw-la quod_fw-la primum_fw-la à _fw-la sine_fw-la huius_fw-la concilii_fw-la in_o quinquennium_fw-la immediatè_fw-la sequens_fw-la secundum_fw-la verò_fw-la à _fw-la sine_fw-la illius_fw-la in_o septenâ—ium_fw-la &_o deiâ—ceps_fw-la de_fw-la decennio_fw-la in_o decennium_fw-la perpetuò_fw-la celebrantur_fw-la etc._n etc._n council_n constant._n sess._n 39_o et_fw-la apud_fw-la gerson_n tom._n 1._o p._n 230._o et_fw-fr pet._n de_fw-fr aliaco_fw-it card._n cameracensis_fw-la libâ—llum_fw-la obtulit_fw-la in_o council_n constant._n de_fw-fr reformatione_fw-la ecclesiâ—_n contra_fw-la â—â—inionem_fw-la eorum_fw-la qui_fw-la putarunt_fw-la concilia_fw-la generalia_fw-la minus_fw-la necessaria_fw-la esse_fw-la quia_fw-la omnia_fw-la benè_fw-la à _fw-la patribus_fw-la nostris_fw-la ordinata_fw-la sâ—â—t_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o fascic_n rerum_fw-la expetendarum_fw-la sol_fw-it 28._o et_fw-la schismatibus_fw-la debet_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la citò_fw-la per_fw-la concilia_fw-la generalia_fw-la provideri_fw-la ut_fw-la in_o primitiva_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la docuerunt_fw-la apostoli_fw-la ut_fw-la act._n 6._o &_o act._n 15._o ibid._n fol._n 204._o a._n a._n in_o council_n ariminensi_fw-la multis_fw-la paâ—corum_fw-la fraud_n deceptis_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug_n l._n 3._o contra_fw-la maximinum_n â—_o 〈◊〉_d num_fw-la 3_o 3_o non_fw-la per_fw-la difficiles_fw-la nos_fw-la deus_fw-la ad_fw-la beatam_fw-la vitam_fw-la quaestiones_fw-la vocat_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o absoluto_fw-la nobis_fw-la &_o facili_fw-la est_fw-la aeterâ—itas_fw-la jesum_fw-la suscitatum_fw-la à _fw-la mortuis_fw-la per_fw-la deum_fw-la credere_fw-la &_o ipsum_fw-la esse_fw-la dominum_fw-la confiteri_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n hilar._n l._n 10._o de_fw-fr trin._n ad_fw-la finem_fw-la finem_fw-la cyprianus_n &_o collegae_fw-la ipsiâ—â—_n credentes_fw-la haereticos_fw-la &_o schismaticos_fw-la baptismum_fw-la non_fw-la habere_fw-la sint_fw-la baptismo_fw-la reâ—â—â—tis_fw-la etc._n etc._n iis_fw-la tamen_fw-la communicare_fw-la quam_fw-la separari_fw-la ab_fw-la â—nitate_fw-la maluerunt_fw-la s._n aug._n â—_o 2_o de_fw-fr baptis_n contra_fw-la donatist_n c._n 6._o et_fw-la by_o non_fw-la
providè_fw-la in_o quibâ—â—dâ—m_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la observatur_fw-la ut_fw-la popule_n sanguis_fw-la non_fw-la detiâ—_n thom._n p._n 3._o q._n 80._o a._n 12._o c._n so_o it_o be_v but_o in_o some_o church_n in_o his_o time_n negare_fw-la non_fw-la possumuâ—_n etiam_fw-la in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la lâ—tinâ_fw-la fuisse_fw-la usum_fw-la utriusque_fw-la speciei_fw-la &_o usque_fw-la ad_fw-la tempora_fw-la s._n tâ—omâ—_n durasse_n vasq._n in_o â—_o disput._n 216._o c._n 3._o â—_o 38._o 38._o refecti_fw-la cibo_fw-la potâ—â—_n câ—lesti_fw-la deus_fw-la â—oster_fw-la teâ—supplices_fw-la exâ—ramuâ—_n etc._n etc._n in_o proprio_fw-la missarum_fw-la de_fw-fr sa_o 〈…〉_z jan._n 15._o orat._n post_fw-la communionem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d jan._n â—1_n â—1_n ad_fw-la quod_fw-la sacâ—â—ficium_fw-la svo_fw-la loco_fw-la &_o ordine_fw-la homines_fw-la dei_fw-la nomindâ—tur_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la a_o sacerdote_v quâ—_n saâ—râ—â—â—caâ—_n invocantur_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n 22._o civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 10._o 10._o bellarm._n l._n 1_o de_fw-fr sanctor_n bedtitud_n c._n 20._o §_o ad_fw-la primum_fw-la ergo_fw-la locum_fw-la etc._n etc._n etc._n sunt_fw-la redemptores_fw-la nostri_fw-la aliquo_fw-la modo_fw-la &_o secun_fw-la 〈…〉_z aliquid_fw-la bellar._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr indulgent_a c._n 4._o et_fw-la sanctos_fw-la appellat_fw-la numina_fw-la l._n 2._o the_o imagine_v sanctorum_fw-la c._n 20._o §_o 3._o now_o if_o this_o word_n numen_fw-la signify_v any_o thing_n else_o beside_o god_n himself_o or_o the_o power_n of_o god_n or_o the_o oraole_n of_o god_n let_v bellarmine_n show_v it_o or_o a._n c_o for_o him_z him_z ut_fw-la ejuâ—_n meritis_fw-la &_o precibusâ—_n â—_z geheâ—ne_n â—â—cendiis_fw-la liberemur_fw-la in_o proprio_fw-la missarum_fw-la de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la decemb._n 6._o 6._o ut_fw-la aâ—borum_fw-la meritis_fw-la aeternitatis_fw-la glorâ—am_fw-la consequamâ—â—_n ibid._n julii_n 6._o 6._o ejus_fw-la intercedentibus_fw-la meritis_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la nos_fw-la absolve_v peccatis_fw-la ibid._n julli_fw-la 14._o 14._o in_o optatus_n his_o time_n the_o christian_n be_v much_o trouble_v upon_o but_o a_o false_a report_n that_o a_o image_n be_v to_o be_v place_v upon_o the_o altar_n what_o will_v they_o have_v do_v if_o adoration_n have_v be_v command_v etc._n etc._n et_fw-la rectè_fw-la dictum_fw-la erat_fw-la si_fw-la tasem_fw-la famam_fw-la similis_fw-la veritas_fw-la sequeretur_fw-la optat._n l._n 3._o ad_fw-la finem_fw-la finem_fw-la sicut_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la cum_fw-la ethnicis_fw-la idola_fw-la colere_fw-la becan_n l._n the_o side_n haeret._n servunda_fw-la c._n 8._o 8._o coâ—â—iâ—git_fw-la aliqâ—aâ—do_n heretic_n â—irâ—a_n plura_fw-la errare_fw-la quam_fw-la gentiles_n ut_fw-la manichâ—os_fw-la inquit_fw-la thomas_n quòd_fw-la nos_fw-la possumus_fw-la verè_fw-la dicere_fw-la â—e_n nostri_fw-la temporis_fw-la sectariis_fw-la qui_fw-la culpabilâ—â—èr_fw-la in_o pluribus_fw-la videntur_fw-la errare_fw-la valentia_n in_o 2._o 2_o â—_o disp._n 1_o â—_o 1â—_n punct_a 3._o 3._o quod_fw-la quidem_fw-la à _fw-la christianis_fw-la mâ—lioribus_fw-la non_fw-la â—it_n s_o aug._n l._n 8._o de_fw-la civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 27._o 27._o illa_fw-la quasi_fw-la parâ—uâ—alia_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la gentilium_fw-la simillima_fw-la lud._n vives_n ibid._n ibid._n quod_fw-la ergo_fw-la mortuis_fw-la litabatur_fw-la utique_fw-la parentationi_fw-la deputabatur_fw-la quâ—_n species_n proinde_fw-la idololatriae_fw-la est_fw-la quoniam_fw-la &_o idololatriâ—_n parentationis_fw-la â—â—t_n species_n tert._n l._n de_fw-fr speâ—â—acuâ—is_n c._n 12._o 12._o manifestus_fw-la est_fw-la quam_fw-la ut_fw-la multis_fw-la verbis_fw-la explicari_fw-la deâ—eat_fw-la imaginum_fw-la &_o simulachrorum_fw-la cultum_fw-la nimium_fw-la invaluisse_fw-la &_o affectioni_fw-la seâ—_n potiùs_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la populi_fw-la plus_fw-la saâ—â—â—_n indultum_fw-la esse_fw-la it_o à _fw-la ut_fw-la ad_fw-la summam_fw-la adorationem_fw-la quae_fw-la vel_fw-la à _fw-la paganis_fw-la suis_fw-la simulachris_fw-la â—xbibert_n consutvit_fw-la etc._n etc._n cassand_n consult_v art_n 21._o c._n de_fw-fr imagibibuâ—_n where_o he_o name_v divers_a of_o your_o own_o â—s_v namely_o â—urantâ—s_fw-la minatensis_fw-la episcoâ—us_fw-la john_n billet_v gerson_n durand_n holkot_n and_o biel_n reject_v the_o opinion_n of_o thomas_n and_o other_o superstition_n concern_v image_n ibid._n ibid._n non_fw-la quod_fw-la credatur_fw-la â—nesse_fw-la aliqua_fw-la in_o iis_fw-la divinitas_fw-la &_o velutâ—_n olim_fw-la fiebat_fw-la à _fw-la gentibus_fw-la conc._n trid._n sess._n 25._o decret_n de_fw-fr invocat_n invocat_n et_fw-la â—â—dibus_fw-la periculosi_fw-la erroris_fw-la occasiovem_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n ibid._n et_fw-la adâ—ò_fw-la gens_n affecta_fw-la est_fw-la trancis_fw-la corrosis_fw-la &_o deformibus_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la ut_fw-la i_o testae_fw-la quoâ—â—es_fw-la episcopi_fw-la decentiores_fw-la ponere_fw-la jubent_fw-la veteres_fw-la svas_fw-la petant_fw-la plorantes_fw-la etc._n etc._n hieron_n lamas_n sâ—mma_n p._n 3._o c._n 3_o 3_o imagine_v christi_n &_o s._n matris_fw-la â—jâ—â—s_fw-la &_o sanctorum_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la uâ—nerandâ—_n acsi_fw-la in_o ipsis_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la esset_fw-la divinit_fw-la aâ—_n seeundùm_fw-la quod_fw-la sunt_fw-la materia_fw-la arte_fw-la â—ffigiata_fw-la &_o non_fw-la secundùm_fw-la quod_fw-la repraesentant_fw-la christum_fw-la &_o sanctos_fw-la etc._n etc._n sic_fw-la enim_fw-la adorare_fw-la vel_fw-la petere_fw-la aliquid_fw-la ab_fw-la iis_fw-la esset_fw-la idololatria_fw-la lam._n ibid._n quis_fw-la ferat_fw-la populum_fw-la in_o templum_fw-la irruentem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d haram_fw-la sue_v certè_fw-la non_fw-la obsâ—â—t_fw-la populo_fw-la câ—â—â—moniâ—_n sed_fw-la prosunt_fw-la si_fw-la modus_fw-la in_o â—is_fw-la servetâ—r_fw-la &_o caveamusâ—è_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d loco_fw-la habeaatur_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la nè_fw-la precipuam_fw-la pietatem_fw-la in_o illis_fw-la collocemus_fw-la rhen._n annot._n in_o tâ—rtul_n de_fw-fr cor._n â—â—il_n â—â—il_n cave_fw-la nè_fw-la dum_fw-la uâ—s_fw-la alium_fw-la notare_fw-la culpae_fw-la ipse_fw-la voteris_fw-la calum_fw-la 〈…〉_z s._n hier._n â—_o 3._o advers._fw-la pelagianos_fw-la a._n c._n p._n 64._o 64._o nos_fw-la fatemur_fw-la sub_fw-la papatu_fw-la pluâ—imum_fw-la esse_fw-la boni_fw-la imò_fw-la omne_fw-la bonum_fw-la christianum_fw-la atque_fw-la etiam_fw-la illinc_fw-la ad_fw-la nos_fw-la devenisse_fw-la etc._n etc._n luther_n contra_fw-la anabaptist_n citante_fw-la bellarmino_fw-la l._n 4._o de_fw-fr notis_n eccles._n c._n 16._o §._o penult_n etâ—â—â—eld_n â—â—â—eld_z appendicâ—_n par_fw-fr 3._o c._n 2._o et_fw-fr jos._n hall_n bishop_n of_o exeter_n l._n of_o the_o old_a religion_n c._n 1._o many_o hold_v christ_n the_o foundation_n aright_o and_o groan_v under_o the_o burden_n of_o popish_a trash_n etc._n etc._n by_o a_o general_a repentance_n and_o assure_a faith_n in_o their_o saviour_n do_v find_v favour_n with_o the_o lord_n d._n gro._n abbot_n late_a archbishop_n of_o cant._n answer_v to_o hill_n ad_fw-la ration_n 1._o §._o 30._o for_o my_o part_n i_o dare_v not_o deny_v the_o possibility_n of_o their_o salvation_n who_o have_v be_v the_o chief_a instrument_n of_o we_o etc._n etc._n hooker_n in_o his_o discourse_n of_o justificat_fw-la §._o 17._o in_o former_a time_n a_o man_n may_v hold_v the_o general_a doctrine_n of_o those_o church_n wherein_o our_o father_n live_v and_o be_v save_v and_o yet_o since_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n some_o be_v find_v in_o it_o in_o such_o degree_n of_o orthodoxy_n as_o we_o may_v well_o hope_v of_o their_o salvation_n field_n l._n 3._o eccl._n c_o 47._o the_o latin_a or_o western_a church_n subject_n to_o the_o romish_a tyranny_n be_v a_o true_a church_n in_o which_o a_o save_a profession_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o christ_n be_v find_v jos._n hall_n bishop_n of_o exeter_n l._n of_o the_o old_a religion_n fine_a in_o his_o advertisement_n to_o the_o reader_n p._n 202._o non_fw-la pauci_fw-la retinuerunt_fw-la christum_fw-la fundamentum_fw-la etc._n etc._n mornaeus_n tract_n de_fw-fr ecclesia_fw-la c._n 9_o fine_a inter_fw-la sordes_fw-la istas_fw-la ista_fw-la quae_fw-la summo_fw-la cum_fw-la periculo_fw-la expectetur_fw-la salus_fw-la non_fw-la ipsorum_fw-la additamentis_fw-la sed_fw-la iis_fw-la quae_fw-la nobiscum_fw-la habent_fw-la communia_fw-la fundamentis_fw-la est_fw-la attribuenda_fw-la jo._n prideaux_n lectione_n 9_o fine_n papa_n aliquam_fw-la adhuc_fw-la religionis_fw-la formam_fw-la relinquit_fw-la spem_fw-la aquavitae_fw-la aeternae_fw-la non_fw-la tollit_fw-la etc._n etc._n calv._n instruct._n advers._fw-la libertinos_fw-la c._n 4._o 4._o here_o a._n c._n get_v another_o snatch_n and_o tell_v we_o that_o to_o grant_v a_o possibility_n of_o salvation_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v the_o free_a confession_n of_o a_o adversary_n and_o therefore_o be_v of_o force_n against_o we_o and_o extort_a by_o truth_n but_o to_o say_v that_o salvation_n be_v more_o secure_o and_o easy_o to_o be_v bad_a in_o the_o protestant_a faith_n that_o be_v but_o their_o partial_a opinion_n in_o their_o own_o behalf_n and_o of_o no_o force_n especial_o with_o roman_a catholic_n i_o easy_o believe_v this_o latter_a part_n that_o this_o as_o a._n c._n and_o the_o rest_n use_v the_o matter_n with_o their_o proselyte_n shall_v be_v of_o little_a or_o no_o force_n with_o roman_a catholic_n but_o it_o will_v behoove_v they_o that_o it_o be_v of_o force_n for_o let_v any_o indifferent_a man_n weigh_v the_o necessary_a requisite_n to_o salvation_n and_o he_o shall_v find_v this_o no_o partial_a opinion_n but_o very_o plain_a and_o real_a verity_n that_o the_o protestant_a living_n according_a to_o his_o belief_n be_v upon_o the_o safe_a way_n to_o heaven_n and_o as_o for_o my_o confession_n let_v they_o enforce_v it_o as_o far_o as_o they_o
again_o in_o the_o second_o prayer_n or_o thanksgiving_n after_o consecration_n thus_o we_o give_v thou_o thanks_o for_o that_o thou_o do_v vouchsafe_v to_o feed_v we_o which_o have_v due_o receive_v these_o holy_a mystery_n with_o the_o spiritual_a food_n of_o the_o most_o precious_a body_n and_o blood_n of_o thy_o son_n our_o saviour_n jesus_n christ_n etc._n etc._n etc._n jo._n fox_n martyrolog_n tom._n 2._o london_n 1597._o p._n 943._o 943._o fox_n ibid._n ibid._n cranmer_n apud_fw-la fox_n ibid._n p._n 1301._o 1301._o i_o say_v corporalitèr_fw-la corporal_o for_o so_o bellarmine_n have_v it_o express_o quod_fw-la autem_fw-la corporalitèr_fw-la &_o propriè_fw-la sâ—â—â—atur_fw-la sanguis_fw-la &_o caro_fw-la etc._n etc._n probâ—â—i_fw-la potest_fw-la omnibus_fw-la argumentis_fw-la etc._n etc._n bell._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr eucharistic_n 12._o §_o sed_fw-la tota_fw-la and_o i_o must_v be_v bold_a to_o tell_v you_o more_o than_o that_o this_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o ch._n of_o rome_n for_o i_o must_v tell_v you_o too_o that_o bellarm._n here_o contradict_v himself_o for_o he_o that_o tell_v we_o here_o that_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v by_o many_o argument_n that_o we_o receive_v the_o flesh_n and_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o eucharist_n corporalitèr_n say_v as_o express_o before_o have_v he_o remember_v it_o that_o though_o christ_n be_v in_o this_o bless_a sacrament_n verè_fw-la &_o realiter_fw-la yet_o faith_n he_o non_fw-la dicemus_fw-la corporaliter_fw-la i._n e._n co_fw-la modo_fw-la quo_fw-la sâ—d_fw-la naturâ_fw-la existunt_fw-la corpora_fw-la etc._n etc._n bell._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr euchar._n c._n 2._o §_o tertia_fw-la regula_n so_o bell._n here_o be_v in_o a_o notorious_a contradiction_n or_o else_o it_o will_v follow_v plain_o out_o of_o he_o that_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v existent_a one_o way_n &_o receive_v another_o which_o be_v a_o gross_a absurdity_n and_o that_o corporaliter_fw-la be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o ch._n of_o rome_n &_o mean_v by_o transubstantiation_n be_v far_a plain_n in_o the_o book_n call_v the_o institution_n of_o a_o christian_a man_n set_v forth_o by_o the_o bishop_n in_o convocation_n in_o h._n 8_n time_n a_o 1534._o c._n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o altar_n the_o word_n be_v under_o the_o form_n &_o figure_n of_o bread_n &_o wine_n the_o very_a body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n be_v corporal_o real_o etc._n etc._n exhibit_v and_o receive_v etc._n etc._n and_o aquiâ—as_v express_o thus_o quia_fw-la tamen_fw-la substantia_fw-la corporis_fw-la christi_fw-la realiter_fw-la non_fw-la dividitur_fw-la à _fw-la sua_fw-la quantitate_fw-la dimensiva_fw-la &_o ab_fw-la aliis_fw-la accidentibus_fw-la indâ—_n est_fw-la quòd_fw-la ex_fw-la vi_fw-la realis_fw-la concomitantiae_fw-la est_fw-la in_o sacramento_n totâ—_n quantitas_fw-la dimensiva_fw-la corporiâ—_n christi_fw-la &_o omne_fw-la accidentia_fw-la ejus_fw-la tho._n p._n 3._o q._n 76._o ar._n 4._o c._n c._n apud_fw-la fox_n ibid._n p._n 1598._o 1598._o apud_fw-la fox_n ibid._n 1703._o 1703._o tantùm_fw-la de_fw-la modo_fw-la quaestiö_o est_fw-la etc._n etc._n et_fw-la â—acessat_fw-la calumâ—ia_fw-la auferri_fw-la christum_fw-la à _fw-la coenâ_fw-la suâ_fw-la etc._n etc._n calv._n l._n 4._o inst._n c._n 17._o §_o 31._o veritatem_fw-la dei_fw-la in_o quâ_fw-la acquiescere_fw-la tutò_fw-la licet_fw-la sine_fw-la controversia_fw-la amplectar_fw-la pronunciat_fw-la ille_fw-la carnem_fw-la svam_fw-la esse_fw-la animae_fw-la meae_fw-la cibum_fw-la sanguinem_fw-la esse_fw-la potum_fw-la talibus_fw-la alimentis_fw-la animam_fw-la illi_fw-la meam_fw-la pascendam_fw-la oâ—â—â—â—o_fw-la in_o s._n coena_fw-la jubet_fw-la i_o sub_fw-la symbolis_fw-la panis_n &_o vini_n corpus_n &_o sanguinem_fw-la suum_fw-la sumere_fw-la manducare_fw-la &_o biâ—ere_fw-la nihil_fw-la dubito_fw-la quin_fw-la &_o ipse_fw-la verè_fw-la porrigat_fw-la &_o ego_fw-la recipiam_fw-la calv._n ibid._n §_o 32._o punct_a 5._o a._n c._n p._n 66._o 3_o reg._n 17._o 4_o reg._n 3._o 3_o reg._n 19_o 18._o 3_o reg._n 13._o 11._o 11._o petilianus_n dixit_fw-la venite_fw-la ad_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la populi_fw-la &_o aufugite_fw-la traditores_fw-la ita_fw-la orthodoxos_fw-la tum_fw-la appellavit_fw-la si_fw-la cum_fw-la iisdem_fw-la perire_fw-la non_fw-la vultis_fw-la num_fw-la ut_fw-la facilè_fw-la cognoâ—catis_fw-la quòd_fw-la ipsi_fw-la sunt_fw-la rei_fw-la de_fw-la fide_fw-la nostra_fw-la optimè_fw-la judicant_fw-la ego_fw-la illorum_fw-la infectos_fw-la baptizo_fw-la illi_fw-la meos_fw-la quod_fw-la absit_fw-la recipiunt_fw-la baptizatos_fw-la quae_fw-la omâ—ino_fw-la non_fw-la â—acerent_fw-la si_fw-la in_o baptismo_fw-la nostro_fw-la culpas_fw-la aliquas_fw-la agnovissent_fw-la videte_fw-la ergo_fw-la quod_fw-la damus_fw-la quam_fw-la sanctum_fw-la sit_fw-la quod_fw-la destruere_fw-la metuit_fw-la sacrilegus_fw-la inimicus_fw-la s._n august_n respondet_fw-la sic_fw-la approbamus_fw-la in_o haereticis_fw-la baptismum_fw-la nox_fw-la haereticorum_fw-la sed_fw-la christi_fw-la sicut_fw-la in_o fornicasoribus_fw-la idololatris_fw-la veneficis_fw-la etc._n etc._n approbamus_fw-la baptismum_fw-la non_fw-la eorm_n sed_fw-la christi_fw-la omnes_fw-la enim_fw-la isti_fw-la inter_fw-la quos_fw-la &_o haeretici_fw-la sunt_fw-la sicut_fw-la dicit_fw-la apostolus_fw-la regnum_fw-la dei_fw-la non_fw-la possidebunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n â—_o august_n â—_o 2._o cont_n lit._n petiliani_fw-la c._n 108._o 108._o galat._n 5._o 19_o 20_o 21._o 21._o non_fw-la ergo_fw-la vestrum_fw-la est_fw-la quod_fw-la destruert_n metuimus_fw-la sed_fw-la christi_fw-la quod_fw-la &_o in_fw-la sacrilegis_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la sanctum_fw-la est_fw-la s._n august_n ibid._n a._n c._n p._n 64_o 65._o a._n c._n p._n 66._o 66._o for_o though_o prateolus_n will_v make_v donatus_n and_o from_o he_o the_o donatist_n to_o be_v gullty_a of_o a_o impious_a heresy_n i_o doubt_v he_o mean_v arrianism_n though_o he_o name_v it_o not_o in_o make_v the_o son_n of_o god_n less_o than_o the_o father_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n less_o than_o the_o son_n l_o 4._o de_fw-fr haeres_fw-la haer._n 14._o yet_o these_o thing_n be_v most_o manifest_a out_o of_o s._n aug._n concern_v they_o who_o live_v with_o they_o both_o in_o time_n and_o place_n and_o understand_v they_o and_o their_o tenet_n far_o better_a than_o prateolus_n can_v and_o first_o s._n aug._n tell_v we_o concern_v they_o aryiani_n patris_fw-la &_o filii_fw-la &_o spiritus_fw-la sancti_fw-la diversas_fw-la substantias_fw-la esse_fw-la dicunt_fw-la donatistae_fw-la autem_fw-la unam_fw-la trinitatis_fw-la substantiam_fw-la confitentur_fw-la so_o they_o be_v no_o arrian_n second_o si_fw-la aliqui_fw-la eorum_fw-la minorem_fw-la filium_fw-la esse_fw-la dixerunt_fw-la quam_fw-la pater_fw-la est_fw-la ejusdâ—m_fw-la tamen_fw-la substantiae_fw-la non_fw-la â—â—gârunt_fw-la but_o this_o be_v but_o si_fw-mi aliqâ—â—_n if_o any_o so_o it_o be_v doubtful_a this_o too_o though_o patreolus_n deliver_v it_o positive_o three_o plurimi_fw-la verâ—_n in_fw-la iis_fw-la â—oe_fw-la se_fw-la dicunt_fw-la omnino_fw-la credere_fw-la de_fw-la patre_fw-la &_o filiâ—_n &_o spiritâ—_n sancto_n quod_fw-la catholica_fw-la credit_n ecclesia_fw-la nec_fw-la â—â—sa_fw-la cum_fw-la illis_fw-la vertitur_fw-la questio_fw-la sed_fw-la de_fw-la sola_fw-la communione_fw-la iâ—â—oeliciter_fw-la litigant_fw-la etc._n etc._n de_fw-fr sola_fw-la only_o about_o the_o union_n with_o the_o church_n therefore_o they_o err_v not_o in_o fundamental_a point_n of_o faith_n and_o last_o all_o that_o can_v far_o be_v say_v against_o they_o be_v that_o some_o of_o they_o to_o win_v the_o goth_n to_o they_o when_o they_o be_v powerful_a say_v hoc_fw-la se_fw-la credere_fw-la quod_fw-la &_o illi_fw-la credunt_fw-la now_o the_o goth_n for_o the_o most_o be_v arrian_n but_o then_o faith_n s._n aug._n they_o be_v but_o nâ—â—nulli_fw-la some_o of_o they_o and_o of_o this_o some_o it_o be_v no_o more_o certain_a than_o sicut_fw-la andivimus_fw-la as_o we_o have_v hear_v s._n aug._n know_v it_o not_o and_o then_o if_o it_o be_v true_a of_o some_o yet_o majorum_fw-la sâ—orum_fw-la authoritate_fw-la convincuntur_fw-la quia_fw-la nec_fw-la donatus_n ipse_fw-la sic_fw-la credidisse_fw-la asseritur_fw-la de_fw-la cujus_fw-la parte_fw-la se_fw-la esse_fw-la gloriantur_fw-la s._n aug._n epist._n 50._o where_o prateolus_n be_v again_o deceive_v for_o he_o say_v express_o that_o donatus_n affirm_v the_o son_n to_o be_v less_o than_o the_o father_n impius_fw-la ille_fw-la asserebat_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o then_o indeed_o and_o which_o perchance_o deceive_v patreolus_n beside_o donatus_n the_o founder_n of_o this_o heresy_n there_o be_v another_o donatus_n who_o succeed_v majorinus_n at_o carthâ—ge_n and_o he_o be_v guilty_a of_o the_o heresy_n which_o prateolus_n mention_n et_fw-fr extant_a scripta_fw-la ejus_fw-la ubi_fw-la apparel_n aâ—_n s._n aug._n confess_v l_o 1._o de_fw-fr haeres_fw-la haer._n 69._o but_o then_o s._n aug._n add_v there_o also_o nec_fw-la facilè_fw-la in_o iis_fw-la quisquam_fw-la that_o scarce_o any_o of_o the_o donatist_n do_v so_o much_o as_o know_v that_o this_o donatus_n hold_v that_o opinion_n much_o less_o do_v they_o believe_v it_o themselves_o s._n aug._n ibid._n ibid._n §._o 21._o n._n 1_o etc._n etc._n punct_a 6._o a._n c._n p._n 66._o 66._o §._o 35._o n._n 1_o 2._o a._n c._n p._n 66._o 66._o iâ—gemuit_fw-la totus_fw-la orbis_n &_o arrianum_n se_fw-la esse_fw-la miratus_fw-la est_fw-la s._n hâ—er_n advers._fw-la luciferian_n post_fw-la medium_n to._n 2._o arrianorum_n venenum_fw-la non_fw-la â—am_fw-la portiunculam_fw-la quandam_fw-la sed_fw-la pâ—â—è_fw
valentinus_n cerdon_n appelles_n etc._n etc._n tertull._n the_o prescript_n advers._fw-la haerâ—t_fw-la c._n 46_o 48_o 49_o 51_o etc._n etc._n etc._n libertini_n rident_fw-la â—â—em_fw-la omnem_fw-la quam_fw-la de_fw-la resurrectione_n habemus_fw-la idque_fw-la jam_fw-la nobis_fw-la evenâ—sse_fw-la dicunt_fw-la quod_fw-la adhuc_fw-la expectamus_fw-la etc._n etc._n ut_fw-la homo_fw-la sciat_fw-la animam_fw-la svam_fw-la spiritum_fw-la 〈◊〉_d esse_fw-la perpetuâ—_n viventem_fw-la in_o coelis_fw-la etc._n etc._n calv._n instructione_n advers._fw-la libertinos_fw-la c._n 22._o prinâ—_n sunt_fw-la etiam_fw-la hodie_fw-la libertini_n qui_fw-la eam_fw-la irrident_fw-la &_o resurrectionem_fw-la quae_fw-la tractatur_fw-la in_o scripture_n tantùm_fw-la ad_fw-la animas_fw-la referunt_fw-la pet._n mart._n loc._n com._n class_n 3._o ca._n 15._o nu._n 4._o punct_a 3._o punct_a 4._o 4._o hebr._n 11._o 37._o cyrillus_n alexandrinus_n malè_fw-la audivit_fw-la quod_fw-la ammonium_n martyrem_fw-la appellavit_fw-la quem_fw-la constitit_fw-la teâ—eritatis_fw-la poenas_fw-la dedisse_fw-la &_o non_fw-la necessitate_v negandi_fw-la christi_fw-la in_o tormentis_fw-la esse_fw-la mortuum_fw-la socr._n hist._n eccl._n l._n 7._o c._n 14._o 14._o optatus_n l._n 4._o cont._n parmen_fw-la parmen_fw-la tertul._n l._n the_o praescrip_n c._n 48._o 48._o tertul._n ibid._n ibid._n tertul._n l._n de_fw-la carne_n christi_fw-la c._n 14._o 14._o si_fw-mi ad_fw-la jesus_n christi_fw-la respicias_fw-la essentiam_fw-la atque_fw-la naturam_fw-la non_fw-la nisi_fw-la hominem_fw-la eum_fw-la fuisse_fw-la constantèr_fw-la affirmamus_fw-la volkelius_n lib._n 3._o de_fw-la religione_fw-la christianâ_fw-la cap._n 1._o 1._o §._o 35._o nu._n 2._o fine_a fine_a extra_n ecclesiam_fw-la neminem_fw-la vivificat_fw-la spiritus_fw-la sanctus_n s._n aug._n epist._n 50._o ad_fw-la finem_fw-la field_n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr eccles._n c._n 13._o una_fw-la est_fw-la fidelium_fw-la universalis_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la extra_fw-la quam_fw-la nullus_fw-la salvatur_fw-la conc._n lateran_n can._n 1._o and_o yet_o even_o there_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n church_n and_o so_o do_v a._n c._n too_o out_o of_o the_o catholic_a roman_a church_n there_o be_v no_o possibility_n of_o salvation_n a._n c._n p._n 65._o 65._o and_o daughter_n zion_n be_v god_n own_o phrase_n of_o old_a of_o the_o church_n isa._n 1._o 8._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d hyppol_n orat._n de_fw-fr consume_v mundi_fw-la et_fw-la omnis_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la virgo_fw-la appellata_fw-la est_fw-la s._n aug._n tr._n 13._o in_o s._n joh._n joh._n for_o christ_n be_v to_o be_v preach_v to_o all_o nation_n but_o that_o preach_v be_v to_o begin_v at_o jerusalem_n s._n luc._n 24._o 47._o according_a to_o the_o prophecy_n mic._n 4._o 2._o and_o the_o disciple_n be_v first_o call_v christian_n at_o antioch_n act_v 11._o 26._o and_o therefore_o there_o be_v a_o church_n there_o before_o ever_o s._n peter_n come_v thence_o to_o settle_v one_o at_o rome_n nor_o be_v it_o a_o opinion_n destitute_a either_o of_o authority_n or_o probability_n that_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n be_v preach_v and_o the_o sacrament_n administer_v here_o in_o england_n before_o any_o settlement_n of_o a_o church_n in_o rome_n for_o s._n gildas_n the_o ancient_a monument_n we_o have_v and_o who_o the_o romanist_n themselves_o reverence_v say_v express_o that_o the_o religion_n of_o christ_n be_v receive_v in_o britain_n tempore_fw-la ut_fw-la scimus_fw-la summo_fw-la tiberii_n caesaris_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o the_o latter_a time_n of_o tiberius_n caesar._n gildas_n the_o excid_n brit._n whereas_o s._n peter_n keep_v in_o jewry_n long_o after_o tiberius_n his_o death_n therefore_o the_o first_o conversion_n of_o this_o island_n to_o the_o faith_n be_v not_o by_o s._n peter_n nor_o from_o rome_n which_o be_v then_o a_o church_n against_o this_o rich._n broughton_n in_o his_o ecclesiastical_a history_n of_o great_a britain_n centur._n 1_o c._n 8._o §._o 4._o say_v express_o that_o the_o protestant_n do_v free_o acknowledge_v that_o this_o clause_n of_o the_o time_n of_o tiberius_n tempore_fw-la summo_fw-la tiberii_n caesaris_fw-la be_v want_v in_o other_o copy_n of_o that_o holy_a writer_n and_o namely_o in_o that_o which_o be_v set_v forth_o by_o pol._n virgil_n and_o other_o whereas_o first_o these_o word_n be_v express_v in_o a_o most_o fair_a and_o ancient_a manuscript_n of_o gildas_n to_o be_v see_v in_o sir_n rob._n cotton_n study_n if_o any_o doubt_v it_o second_o these_o word_n be_v as_o express_v in_o the_o print_a edition_n of_o gildas_n by_o polyd._n virg._n which_o edition_n be_v print_v at_o london_n an._n 1525._o and_o be_v never_o reprint_v since_o thrid_o these_o word_n be_v as_o express_v in_o the_o edition_n of_o gildas_n by_o jo._n joselin_n print_a at_o london_n also_o an._n 1568._o and_o this_o falsehood_n of_o broughton_n be_v so_o much_o the_o more_o foul_a because_o he_o boast_v praefat._n 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