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cap._n 5._o this_o council_n do_v profess_v our_o faith_n and_o receive_v our_o counsel_n and_o sacrament_n though_o they_o add_v five_o sacrament_n more_o read_v surius_n tom._n 4._o sessione_n 3_o 4_o 5._o thus_o have_v i_o travel_v through_o history_n father_n schoolman_n and_o counsel_n to_o satisfy_v the_o demand_n of_o they_o who_o when_o all_o be_v do_v will_v deny_v all_o history_n father_n and_o counsel_n which_o make_v against_o they_o i_o may_v have_v go_v a_o near_a way_n thus_o you_o baptize_v child_n daily_o in_o your_o church_n and_o then_o you_o profess_v my_o faith_n the_o apostle_n creed_n and_o minister_v our_o first_o sacrament_n you_o have_v your_o mass_n or_o common_a prayer_n with_o the_o communion_n often_o in_o your_o church_n than_o also_o you_o profess_v my_o faith_n read_v parcel_n of_o our_o scripture_n and_o minister_v our_o other_o sacrament_n entire_a to_o the_o clergy_n though_o by_o half_n to_o the_o laity_n you_o have_v publish_v many_o missal_n 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