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A85312 Of schism. Parochial congregations in England, and ordination by imposition of hands. Wherein Dr. Owen's discovery of the true nature of schism is briefly and friendly examined, together with Mr. Noyes of New England his arguments against imposition of hands in ordination. / By Giles Firmin, sometime of new England, now pastor of the Church at Shalford in Essex. Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697. 1658 (1658) Wing F958; Thomason E1819_1; ESTC R209761 90,499 170

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which_o come_v from_o the_o same_o root_n with_o peleg_n gen._n 10.25_o whence_o peleg_n have_v his_o name_n the_o text_n tell_v we_o and_o i_o think_v there_o be_v division_n into_o many_o party_n the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o its_o primitive_a signification_n will_v carry_v a_o division_n into_o part_n matth._n 27.51_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i_o grant_v the_o septuagint_n see_v septuagint_n other_o greek_a version_n i_o have_v not_o to_o see_v do_v not_o use_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o 1_o kin._n 11.11_o 31._o yet_o why_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d may_v not_o be_v translate_v by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o signify_v what_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v i_o know_v not_o i_o conceive_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v of_o a_o large_a signification_n than_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o comprehend_v what_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v this_o appear_v 1._o by_o the_o learned_a who_o as_o they_o render_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o findo_fw-mi scindo_fw-mi so_o they_o render_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d findere_fw-la scindere_fw-la qui_fw-la pannum_fw-la aut_fw-la aliquod_fw-la ejusmodi_fw-la continuum_fw-la dirumpit_fw-la etc._n etc._n buxt_v schind_a pagn_n merc._n hence_o as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v render_v scissura_fw-la so_o the_o 70._o in_o v._o 30_o &_o 31_o render_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d scissurae_fw-la so_o the_o vulgar_a render_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 31._o nor_o do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d always_o signify_v the_o rend_n of_o a_o thing_n into_o part_n in_o opposition_n to_o the_o doctor_n be_v notion_n more_o then_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o among_o the_o physician_n a_o rapture_n in_o a_o membrane_n the_o rend_n of_o a_o muscle_n they_o call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d though_o the_o part_n be_v not_o separate_v from_o the_o body_n so_o gorraeus_n 2._o because_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v use_v and_o apply_v to_o such_o thing_n as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o new_a testament_n as_o to_o the_o rend_n of_o clothes_n here_o and_o in_o divers_a other_o text_n so_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d john_n 19.24_o matth._n 27.51_o luke_n 5.36_o john_n 21.11_o so_o that_o though_o the_o hebrew_n have_v two_o other_o word_n which_o the_o learned_a render_v scindere_fw-la findere_fw-la yet_o none_o i_o conceive_v answer_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o this_o do_v there_o may_v be_v something_o in_o this_o that_o the_o arabic_a in_o the_o 11._o v._o use_n that_o verb_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d whence_o the_o noun_n in_o 1_o cor._n 12.25_o come_v whence_o i_o think_v we_o may_v proper_o say_v there_o be_v a_o great_a schism_n in_o the_o church_n and_o commonwealth_n of_o israel_n and_o here_o be_v separation_n with_o a_o witness_n to_o search_v over_o other_o divine_n to_o see_v what_o they_o have_v say_v about_o schism_n i_o think_v it_o in_o vain_a because_o the_o doctor_n have_v lay_v a_o bar_n against_o they_o all_o they_o be_v all_o mistake_v and_o so_o their_o authority_n be_v worth_a nothing_o but_o when_o i_o have_v do_v two_o man_n come_v into_o my_o mind_n who_o be_v near_o to_o the_o doctor_n be_v principle_n be_v congregational_a man_n and_o therefore_o have_v need_n to_o look_v to_o themselves_o in_o their_o definition_n of_o schism_n man_n of_o great_a renown_n for_o learning_n and_o piety_n dr._n ames_n and_o our_o mr._n norton_n in_o n._n e._n in_o answer_n to_o the_o q._n quid_fw-la est_fw-la schisma_fw-la i_o find_v ames_n thus_o answer_v schisma_fw-la dicitur_fw-la a_o scindendo_fw-la &_o est_fw-la scissio_fw-la separatio_fw-la disjunctio_fw-la aut_fw-la dissolutio_fw-la vnionis_fw-la illius_fw-la quae_fw-la debet_fw-la inter_fw-la christianos_n observari_fw-la i_o be_v near_a to_o the_o doctor_n be_v definition_n then_o i_o be_v aware_a of_o but_o then_o he_o add_v quia_fw-la autem_fw-la 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