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A41786 The quæries examined, or, Fifty anti-queries seriously propounded to the people called Presbyterians Occasioned by the publication of Fifty queries, gathered out of the works of Mr. Rich. Baxter. By J. B. Wherein the principal allegations usually brought to support infant-baptism are discovered to be insufficient. By T. G. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1676 (1676) Wing G1543A; ESTC R223637 27,933 56

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Earth are con●●●n'd in it and then whether we do not sufficiently comprize the ●●ntiles therein But how can Abrahams Rites and C●remonie● be part of this blessing to the Gentiles which are abrogated long ago Presbyterian Query 21 Whether the second Commandment Exod. 20 5 6. doth not contain a standing Promise and discove●y of Gods Resolution concerning the children of all that love him whether Jews or Gentiles to whom this Commandment belongs whether God meaneth not that his Retribution to Parents that love or hate him shall extend to their children as such unless they interrupt it at Age by their own Acts and if to their children qua tales then whether not to Infants Baptist Ant. 21. Whoever doubted but that Infants are advantaged many ways in the blessings which God bestows on them that fear him and accordingly greatly disadvantaged by the wickednefs of their Pa●●nts even so as to bear their Fathers iniquities many times as is evident in the overthrow of the old world the Cities of Sodom and Samorrah c. yet whether the blessing or mercy of eternal life to ●nfants depend upon the Parents love to God And whether the ●amnation of Infants depend on the wickedness of their Parents ●nd whether the bless●ngs of the second Commandment belong 〈◊〉 to the Church as such or whether all men that follow the ●ules of Morality are not within the reach of these blessings also ●nd then how should Infant Church membership and Baptifm be 〈◊〉 blessings of the second Commandment seeing this Law concerns 〈◊〉 men as m●n being part of the Moral Law and is not proper to ●he Church only Presbyterian Query 22. VVhether any without the Church are secured of Gods mercy by P●omise And whether mercy be not Promised to the children of the F●ithsul as such See P●al 102. 28. and 103. 17. Prov. 20. 7. Isa 61. 8 9 and 65 23 c Baptist Antiqu. 22. Whether God hath not said that his ways are all equal And whether this do not secure Infants of Gods mercy though not baptized for otherwise we say Infants are of the Redeemed Church when God saith That the Son shall not bear the iniquity of the Father and every one shall bear his own iniquity whether this be not a promiss of mercy to Infant Children and that in respect of Etern●l Life And whether the Query be not near a kin to that position of the Papists when they say Out of the Church there is no Salva●ion Restraining that word Church to Visible or Actual Professors only And why must these five quotations be applied to Infants only sith the things spoken of these Children Seed or Off-spring are mostly such as are exclusive of Infants Presbyterian Query 23. Whether these Promises in the making of them were limited to a certain time when they were to cease Or whether they have been since revoked Baptist Suppose these Promises yet remain as we doubt not but they do sith they are not entail'd upon the Jewish Nation at least the three first Quotations How will this avail to the point in hand Are all the blessings of God to the Infant Off-spring of those that fear him c. bound up in your supposed Church-membership and Baptism Presbyterian Query 24. If it was on the Jews Rejection of Christ that they were broken off from being Gods People were those thousands of Jews that believed in Christ so broken off If not then whether were not the Children of all believing Jews Church-members in Infancy Or otherwise was it not somewhat else then Vnbelief that brake them off Baptist Antiqu. 24. Whether was those that cried His blood be upon us and our Children thereby rejecting the great Mess●nger of the Covenant ●ustly broken off And whether the renting of the Vail of the Temple did not shew the abrogation of the Covenant and the Legal Ministry whether was Saul broken off when he persecuted the Church causing many to blaspheme And how could the Jews lawfully be married to Christ if Moses was not now removed without being called an Adulteress And then whether those thousands of Jews which believed were not first broken off so as to plead no longer upon this issue We are Abrahams Children we are free-born c. And to look upon Circumcision and whatsoever was gain to them on a legal acco●nt to be loss for Christ or is there any other way to be graffed in to the Church of Christ but by faith Nowtherefore seeing the Jews were in no better case then th● Gentiles Circumcision being now nothing even as uncircumcision was nothing b●ta new creature then whether all the Infants of the Jews now ceas●● to be m●mbers of any visible Church seeing ●heir Parents had de jure lost their Memb●rship Presbyterian Query 25. Were not the Infants of the Christian Jews the day before their Conversion Members of the Jewish Church and of Gods universal Church of which the Jews were but a part and doth it not sound strengely that such Infants as were the day before Members of the Jewish Church and of Gods universal Church should be put out of the Jewish and the whole visible Church by the faith of their Parents or without unbelief Either it was a Mercy to be a Member of the Church or not If it was no mercy then will it not follow that the unbelieving Jews lost nothing by being broken off If it was a mercy how did the Christians Children forfeit it Baptist Antiqu. 25. Whether we have not sufficiently shewed that the Infants of the Jews were now no Members of the Jewish Church that being now abrogated and the Gospel Church state confirmed by the death of Christ and the pouring out of the Holy Ghost neither could two distinct Church states stand together de jure And then whether it be not a great mistake for the Q●aerist to suppose the Jews were a part of Gods universal Church when in truth they were no Church at all and therefore whether the wonder which he makes about the Jews Infants which believed be not groundless And yet whether the Infants of the believing Jews were not in a far better estate then when their Parents were unbelievers sith the Curse they then had imprecated was now removed Also whether it was not a mercy that both Parents and Infants were set free from Circumcision which whatever it was before now ceased to be a mercy to any man because it was an obligation to the yoke of bondage and rendred Christ unprofitable to such as should now receive it and consequently a Release from that Church-Membership according to the Law was a great mercy to Infants who still retain Membership in the invisible Church as they did before Circumcision was in being Presbyterian Query 26. Whether it be credible that he who came not to cast out Jews but to bring in Gentiles breaking down the Partition-wall and making of two one Church would have a Chureh of so different form and constitution that the Church at
Query 15. VVas it not then the Duty of all the Nations round about that could have Informati●n of the Jewish Religion to engage themselves and their Children to God by Circumcision And did not many of the People in Hester's time become Jews Hest 8. 17. who yet were not under their Government And is it not well known that this was to be circumcised they and their little ones as the Proselites were and so to keep the Law of Moses And whether the circumcised Servants of Israel sold away to another Nation and so separated from the Civil state of Israel did eo nomine cease to be Church-members though they for sook not God And ●o of the Infants if they were sold in Infancy And so whether Infants might not be Church-members that were not of the Jews Common-wealth Baptist Antiqu. 15. Although other Nations had the liberty to become Jewes yet whether they were under such an obligation as that they must become Jewes or else not be saved is worthy consideration and whether the contrary will not be found true when the case of Cornelius Act. 10. and of the Gentiles Rom. 2. are duely considered whereas the one is accepted as fearing God and working Righteousness as much as the Jew upon the account of his Jewish Worship And the other Gentiles generally who did by Nature the things contained in the Law were counted the Circumcision so as to judge the Jew who only had the Circumcision in the flesh and not only so but so as to be accepted of God as far at least as the Righteousness of the Law would avail the Jew And whether the Infants of these devout Gentiles was not free from any obligation to Circumcision or any other external Ceremony And whether there be not an evident difference between the Law and the Gospel in this the one being fitted to the Jewish Nation only so as to be capable of an orderly observation there only And the Gospel fitted sor the observation of all Nations equally and consequently all Nations equally obliged to the full and orderly Profession thereof Presbyterian Query 16. VVere not the Israelites Children Members of the universal visible Church as well as of the Congregation of Israel As he that is a Member of the City is a Member of the Kingdom and a part of a part is a part of the whole so was not ever member of the Jews Church also a member of Gods universal Church Baptist Ant. 16. Whether it be well said to call the universal Church visible And whether the universal Church did not contain many thousands such as Job Cornelius c who were neither Jews by Nature nor Religion And whether no Infants might be said to be Members of the universal Church who were not Members of the Jewish Church and if not how shall they be saved seeing Christ is only the Saviour of his body finally Presbyterian Query 17. Was there ever any true Church or Ecclesiastical Worshipping Society appointed by God in all the World since the Fall but the Church of Christ Were not Infants therefore either Members of Christs Church or of no Church of Gods Institution Was not Moses Christs Vsher and Moses Church and Christ's Church one according to God's Institution Baptist Antiqu. 17. Whether this Query be not either captious or else impertin●nt for though it should be granted that the Church of Christ was the same in some sence from the beginning yet who knows not that the time and way for admission of the Members thereof to external Ceremonies was not always the same And who doubts but the Church was always of Gods Institution But doth it therefore follow that the Ordinances Instituted therein belongs to Infants might they not have the Passeover as well as Circumcision in the Mosaical Church and yet have neither the Lords Supper nor Baptism in the Christian Church you deny them the one why may not we as well deny the other Baptist Query 18. Whether was Abraham made a Member of the Church by Circumcision or circumcised because a Member of the Church The like of Infants born in his House And how can the ceasing of Circumcision prove Infants Church-Membership ceased any more then it can prove their Church-Membership began with Circumcision or that Women were not church-Church-Members because not circumcised or that all Israel was unchurched in the VVilderness when they were uncircumcised for fourty years Baptist Antiqu. 18. Although Abraham was in the Church of God essentially by faith yet whether formally in that Church-st●te vvhich God was then about to settle till circumcised vvill not I suppose be hastily affirmed and how can Infants be said to be in the Church as Abraham then was seeing they have no faith as he had And whether the Jewish Church-state did not cease de jure when Circumcision so ceased And then whether that state of Infant Church-Membership did not also cease And like as the ceasing of the Passeover de jure was the ceasing of Infants right to any such Ordinance even so we ask why the ceasing of Circumcision de jure is not as truly the ceasation of Infants right to any such Ordinance certainly if Gods Word assign any Ordinances in lieu of the former the place where 't is written would have b●en known to this day Presbyterian Query 19. VVhether the blessing of Abraham consists not chiefly in this that God Promised to be a God in Covenant with him and his Seed And how are the believing Gentiles blessed with faithful Abraham and Heirs of the same Promise if their Infants are not also comprehended in the same Covenant Baptist Antiqu. 19. Whether the blessing of Abraham if you understand it of eternal life were not the blessing of the Fathers that were before him And whether that blessing did not belong to their Infants And whether their Infants were Partakers with them in any Rites or Ceremonies of instituted worship And if not then why may not the Infants of the Gentiles partake of the blessing of Abraham though not concern'd in Rites or Ceremonies or whether you think the blessing of Abraham is confined to Ceremonies in respect of Infants if so shew us what Ceremonies these are Presbyterian Query 20. Whether in that great Promise Gen. 12. 3 Tribes Kindreds Families do not most certainly comprehend Infants As it was to such Families that the Promise was made before Christ as to the Jewish Church VVhat warrant have we to understand Families or Tribes otherwise when the same Promise is made to the Gentiles Baptist Antiq. 20. Whether you ought not to distinguish in this great Promise the things which are eternal from the things that were but for a time And then whether you can ima●in● that all the temporal blessings rites and ceremonies ●oncern●d any Nation as it concerned the seed of Abraham after the flesh But if by this Promise you understand it as the Apostle Paul doth Gal. 3. 16. th●n we doubt not but all the Kindreds of the
Jerusalem should have infant-Infant-Members and the Church at Rome should have none That the Jews Infants should be Members and not Gentiles If the Jews were broken off by unbelief should they not be graffed in again upon their Repentance of Faith And so should not every repenting believing Jews Infants be church-Church-Members Or otherwise how would their graffing in answer to their breaking off should they be but in part graffed in Baptist Antiqu. 26. Whether it be not a great mistake to say that Christ came to make the Jew and Gentile one Church otherwise then by taking away the Jewish Church and making all things new 2 Cor. 5. 17. c. And whether this might not be done without setling any of the Practical Ordinances upon Infants as under the Law If otherwise why have you not shewed us where Christ hath required Parent● to get their Infants baptized and where he forbade them to be brought to Imposition of Hands the Table of the Lord c. If the denial of the first make our Infants no Members of the Church doth not your denial of the other two which do as generally pertain to Members of the Church make yours none also And if the Church at Jerusalem Rome c. had any Infant-Members therein in the sence wherein you would have them Members why do you not name some one Infant so made a Member sith you know it would suffice Wherher if the Jews grafting in must in all Points answer to their breaking off their Infants must not come to other Ordinances as well as Baptism or will you say Infants cannot partake with their Parents of salvation without Baptism or whether was the Infants of the Jews exposed to damnation by their Parents unbelief And if so what is become of all their Infants ever since Presbyterian Query 27. Was not Christ Church Spiritual before his Incarnation when it took in Infants and gathered in a spiritual way Was not ●he visible frame of the Jewish Church set up and erected by the Father of Spirits and were not spiritual Duties commanded then upon Promises of spiritual blessings even lise eternal How will any prove that it was a blemish to the old frame that Infants were Members What was the Church the worse for Infants Rights If it be no blemish why must it be done away Baptist Antiqu. 27. Though it be true that Christs Church was always spiritual in some measure and his services such also yet whether it be not also true that the Church under the Law of Moses was carnal in respect of the spirituality of the Church under the Gospel Does not the Apostle say 2 Cor. 3. These two Ministrations differ as much as Letter and Spirit differeth and that the glory of the one had no glory in respect of the glory which excelleth And is it not then rational that the Churches concern'd under these Ministrations respectively should differ aecordingly And though it was no blemish to the Jewish Church to have Infants Partakers of their Ordinances which are called carnal yet whether it be not a more perfect state when the Church do al● know God from the least to the greatest of them And whether this be not the state of the Church under the Gospel according to Gods Appointment Heb. 8. 10 11 12 13. And whether that which is less perfect ought not to vanish away when that which is more perfect is come In that he saith a new Covenant he hath made the first old now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away Heb. 8. 13. Presbyterian Query 28. In what regard were the new frame better supposing the casting out of Infants which were in the old How doth Infants Relation detract from its Spirituality Do not the adult come in by ●he same kind of consent for themselves as they make for their Infants And do not the Adult blemish the Church with more carnal sins then Infants do Would any Kingdom be more excell●nt if all Infants were disfranchised Does not Nature teach all Kingdoms on Earth to take them f●r Members though but Infant-Members Baptist Antiqu. 28. Whether it be necessary to say Infants are cast out of that whereof they were never possessed to wit the use of Ordinances in the new frame of the Church Or how can Infants be said to be a spiritual seed How are they living stones built up a spiritual house to offer spiritual sacrifices in a Gospel sense Or how are your Infants a more spiritual seed then our Infants And whether any other are by Christs Order to partake in Gospel-Ordinances then such as therein worship God spiritually And whether hence it be not clear that the way of making Infants Church-members do not detract from the spirituality of the new frame of the Church Also where hath God required the Adult to consent for their Insant Church m●mbership in this new frame And whether the comparison between an earthly Kingdom and the Ghurch of Christ be any way fitting seeing Infants have as much need of the priviledge of humane Laws for the preservation of their Lives and Rights as grown persons But how stand they in need of the Laws of the Church and particularly Baptism for the preservation of their souls And whether this similitude may not be emproved against you seeing Infants though Members of Kingdomes yet are excused from all duties personal wbatsoever and then why may they not be reputed of the Kingdom of God and yet exempt from the duties of his Kingdom or how come they to be concern'd so much in that one duty of Baptism and no other whatsoever Presbyterian Query 29. Whether any Jew at age was a Member of the old Church without professing faith in the Articles then necessary to salvation Repentance and Obedience And wherein the supposed new call and frame doth in this differ from the old save only that a more full and express Revelation of Christ requireth a more full express Faith Is it not evident that they were to profess consent to Gods Covenant which who so denied Asa would put to death And was not circumcision a covenanting Act And did they not thereby prosess to take God for their God Or would God else have taken them for his People And would not renouncing God have cut them off Baptist Antiqu. 29. What is become now of your Infant Church-membership if when grown up they cease to be Members upon that account Were the Jews Infants twice made Members of their Church Or is every renewing the Covenant as in the case of Asa making men Members of the Church But where did the Church ever admit one Member to her communion by Baptism without Profession or where did she ever decree that those who would not submit to her new frame should be put to death And whether in this the new frame of the Church do not greatly differ from the old Presbyterian Query 30. Whether Gods Law obligeth not Persons to devote themselves and their Infants to
in the Donation at all And have not Infants guilt and misery from their Parents And though Life and Pardon be by Christ only yet is it not congruous that the meer condition of acceptance may b● Performed by the Parents while they cannot accept for themselves Baptist Antiq. 38. Whether the meritoriousness of Christ is not as available to save Infants without any mans acceptance thereof for them Or whether hath God ty'd the salvation of any person to the acceptance of another And whether these be not unreasonable and unscriptural conceits And whether it be not for want of better Grounds for Infant-Baptism that you thus continually tautologize varying little from that which you have said once and again Presbyterian Query 39. Whether it be no advantage for children to be under an early engagement to God and Jesus Christ Whether to dedicate them betimes to God doth not tend to secure God's right and childrens good and to prevent their sin and misery they being thus under a double Obligation which they may be minded of betimes and which may hold them more strongly to their duty and disadvantage the Tempter that would draw them off from God c Baptist Antiqu. 39. Who is against as early an engagement of children to God as can lawfully be made and do not the Baptists engage their children to God as soon as they can by Prayer and Supplication whiles Infants and then by the best education they are able when docible But whether any thing be done to purpose in your judgement when yet all is done that can be done unless it be rantized in your way And whether it be not b●tter to leave the event of their accepting Baptism to the wise dispose of God then to do it per force in Infancy without Precept from God Also whether the Infant-Baptism be such a means to propagate Religion as you suppose may be seen when you consider how in the darkness of Popery Pedobaptism was more common then now but Christianity much less And name one if you can that was bettered in Christian vertue by Pedobaptism we think we can name one and that your self which is worse for it for had you not that to rest on you would probably desire to put on Christ in baptism whether it be not the fittest time to be buried with Christ in baptism when we are dead with him from the rudiments of the world or whether it be reasonable to bury sinners therein till they be dead to sin and whether it can profit any person to be baptized unless he have the answer of a good conscience by the Resurrection of Christ from the dead 1 Pet. 3. therein Presbyterian Query 40. Whether it can be proved that ever there was one Age or Church particular on Earth since Adam till about 200 years ago that the Anabaptists rose wherein Infants de facto were not Members of the Church Baptist Antiqu. 40. Whether in your sense of making Infants Members of the Church de facto it can be proved there was any one so made a Member from the beginning of the World till Abrahams time and whether John Baptist Christ or any by his order did receive Infants into the Church de facto And whether the Baptist do not better prove the Antiquity of their faith and practice in baptism then any Aedo baptist in the world and doth not your conscience tell you that the baptism of Men and Women upon profession of faith and repentance is beyond the reach of contradiction whilest M. Baxter himself confesses Infant-baptism to be so difficult that many of its Assertors both Protestants and Papists are forced to confess it cannot be proved by the Scriptures See his Cure p. 7. And seeing you and we are generally agreed that our way both for subject and manner is out of dispute clear in the Scriptures and you confess by the Pen of Mr. Baxter that yours is very difficult is it not reason the difficult way should give place to the clear and evident way Presbyterian Query 41. VVhether it can be proved that ever there was any one I●fant of true Church-members that was not rightfully a Church-member himself from the Creation till Christ's days Or from the Creation till this day except the Anabaptists who reject the benefit whose case we will not presume to determine Baptist Antiqu. 41. Whether this Query be not the same we had before and whether what is said to it may not also suffiee to this Presbyterian Query 42. Seeing that Infants have been de facto Church-members from the Creation to this day as far as any Records can lead us Is it likely that the Lord and Head and all-sufficient Governour of his Church would have permitted his Church till now to be actually made up of such subjects as in regard of Age be disallowed and suffered his Church to be wrong framed till now Or is it a reasonable modest and lawful undertaking to go about now in the end of the World to make God a new framed Church as to the age of the Subjects And is it not more modest and safe to live quietly in a Church of that frame as all the Saints of Heaven lived in till the other day as a few Anabaptists did attempt an Alteration Baptist Antiqu. 42. Whether it be not utterly untrue that Infants were Members of the Church de facto i.e. to be brought to partake of Ordinances Practical in the Church save only from Abraham to the end of the Law And whether all the Pedobaptists in the world have not hitherto been unable to shew any one instance before Abraham or since the Law was abrogated so much as one Infant admitted to any such Ordinance in the Church of ●od according to what the Scriptures afford in thi● 〈◊〉 And ●●●her it be not as modest in us to labour to restore ●●ptism to its pure use in the Church both in respect of the subject and manner of Administration thereof as it was for the Protestants to do the like in respect of the Lords Supper Also whether your pretending the Authority of the universal Church be not the same figment with which the Papists deceived themselves and others And how can you pretend the universal Church when the Primitive Church is on our side Presbyterian Query 43. Whether considering Christs own Infant-Mem●●rship and his kind reception of Infants and his chiding those that would have kept them off and his offers of taking in all the Jewish Nation Matth. 23. 37. and that they were broken off by unbelief and consequently the Seed of Believers broken off from the Church Vniversal and that whole Housholds are oft said to be baptized and that Paul pronounceth Believers children holy and that Christ Mat. 28. commanded his Ministers as much as in them lieth to disciple all Nations baptizing them c Baptist Antiqu. 43. Whether Christs Infants Church-membership did not pertain to the Jewish Church only Gal. 4. 4. born under the Law only
c. And whether he was not about 30 years when he entred in our Profession Heb. 3. 3. The Apostle and High Priest of our Profession Christ Jesus See Luke 3. And then whether his example be not flat against you Also whether Christs only praying for Infants and not baptizing them though brought to him neither ordering any other to do it that we reade of do not shew us that Infants may be under the blessings of Christ without baptism And whether you may not tremble to presume to do more then he did or appointed to be done Are you wiser then he Also whether it lies within the power of any Minister to disciple an Infant or shew us one Infant with you or any Pedo-baptist ever made a disciple or be pleased to come and make my Infants disciples if you can and I promise you I will assist you what I can in the baptizing them and not only so but do my best to employ you elsewhere I speak it seriously And whether this would not do more to decide the Controversie then all the Books that are written by any of you and if you cannot do this how will Matth. 28. 19. warrant you to baptize Infants sith its plain that discipling goes before baptizing and how disciples are to be made we think it best to learn of Jesus John 4. 3. How think you Do you indeed believe that any person being of the Nation entitles them to● b●ptism why then who is not a fit subject seeing all Infants ●nd men too are of one Nation or another and if there be other Qualifications necessary whether to be taught be not one of the chief of them and why do you say we take Infants away from Christs Church because we baptize them not are they in it before baptized if so how do we take them away Presbyterian Query 44. In summ whether 1. God would not have Parents devote their children to him and enter them according to their capacity in his Covenant 2. Whether also he doth not accept into his Covenant all that are faithfully thus devoted to him and be not peculiarly their God that such children are holy 3. Whether they are not as certainly Members according to an Infant-capacity of the visible Church as they are of all Kingdoms under Heaven 4. Whether there be not far more hope of their salvation then of those without 5. Whether the Covenant doth not make their salvation certain if they so die 6. Whether the Invest●ure and Solemnization of their Covenant with Christ should not be made in Infancy c Baptist Antiqu. 44. In summ 1. Whether we do not as much to our Infants in our capacity as Christ did to the Infants which were brought to him and will not that sati●fie unless we go from him to follow you And as to the business of the Covenant let us hear what Mr. Baxter saith More R●●s p. 86. All Mankind is brought by Christ under a Covenant of Grace which is not vain or repealed by God but as their abuse of the grace of the Covenant may cast them out for as a Covenant of entire Nature was made with all mankind in innocent Adam so a Covenant of grace was made with all mankind in lapsed Adam Gen. 3. 15. in the Promised Seed and renewed again with all ma●kind in Noah c. And now we ask whether our Infants according to this account of the Covenant of Grace be not in it without bapti●m fith they have not abused the grace of the Covenant and whether baptism be not far more proper when after they have corrupted themselves by sin they come to humiliation and so to enter into this Covenant upon the termes of the Gospel Whether your Exposition of the universal Church upon Mat. 28. 19. do take in the Practice of the Apostles in pursuance of that Commission to the Acts of the Apostles and the Exposition of the Baptists and if not then you either deny us to be of the universal Church or else you have not the Exposition of the Church universal Presbyterian Query 45. How inconsiderable a Part of the universal Church do the Anabaptists hold Communion with And do they not unchurch almost all the Churches on Earth may we not think that they rob Christ of more them nine Parts of ten of his Kingdom or Church universal V. p. 305. Baptist Antiqu. 45. Whether upon Luthers revolt from the Pope you were not upbraided with holding communion with an inconsiderable part of the universal Church why do you take up the Papists weapons Did not that pious man that succoured Athanasius in the time of the Arrian persecution answer the Objection well when he said The cause of truth is not therefore empaired because I am alone --- Glory not therefore in multitudes for it is not the multitude but the cause that justifieth or condemneth Also whether we may not also conclude that many are of the universal Church which do not communicate with us or your selves and yet whether the separation from many Pedobaptists will not justifie our separation from you more clearly Presbyterian Query 46. Whether they can possibly hop● that ever the Church on Earth will unite upon their terms of rejecting all their Infants from the visible Church and renouncing all our Infant-Rights and Benefits conferred by the Baptismal Covenant of Grace Baptist Antiqu. 46. Whether this be in effect to say What will these feeble Jews do And why may we not hope that this great mistake of yours may vanish as well as that great mistake of Austin and the generality of men prosessing Christianity who brought Infants also to the Lords Table and that for many hundreds of years together and defended it by as plaufible reasons as any you have for baptizing them Could God reform so great and general an errour forced on by Learning and Authority of eminent men And shall we think this thing only too hard for God our small number shall not make us doubt for we know God doth great things by small means And what Baptismal grace do we desire you to renounce when we only defire you to mend an errour Did the twelve disciples Acts 19. renounce any baptismal grace when according to the Interpretation of the Ancients they were baptized again Surely Reformation is no errour Presbyterian Query 47. And whether if they continue to the Worlds end to separate from almost all the Churches and unchurch them their Employment will not be still to serve the great Enemy of Love and Concord against the Lord of Love and Peace and against the Profperity of Faith and Godliness and against the welfare of the Church and Souls and to the scandal and hardning of the ungodly Baptist Antiqu. 47. Whether the separation is not justly chargeable upon those which cause divisions and offences by asserting and maintaining such errours as being admitted the way of God must be corrupted or laid aside and whether these are not the men that at least