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A61885 Legends no histories, or, A specimen of some animadversions upon The history of the Royal Society wherein, besides the several errors against common literature, sundry mistakes about the making of salt-petre and gun-powder are detected and rectified : whereunto are added two discourses, one of Pietro Sardi and another of Nicolas Tartaglia relating to that subject, translated out of Italian : with a brief account of those passages of the authors life ... : together with the Plus ultra of Mr. Joseph Glanvill reduced to a non-plus, &c. / by Henry Stubbe ... Stubbe, Henry, 1632-1676.; Tartaglia, Niccolò, d. 1557. Quesiti et inventioni diverse. Libro 3. English.; Sardi, Pietro, b. 1559? Artiglieria. English. Selections.; Stubbe, Henry, 1632-1676. Plus ultra reduced to a non plus.; Henshaw, Thomas, 1618-1700. 1670 (1670) Wing S6053; Wing S6063_PARTIAL; ESTC R21316 289,570 380

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Government that is that Learning which our Universities intend before the Mechanical Education of the Virtuosi Excudent alii spirantia mollius aera Credo equid●m vivos ducent de marmore vultus Orabunt causas melius coelique meatus Describant radio surgentia sydera dicent Tu regere imperio populos Romane memento Hae tibi erunt artes pacisque imponere morem Parcere subjectis debellare superbos Others I grant shall ●ould respiring Brass And grave on Marble a more lively Face Some better plead and some Astronomers Better describe Heavens motion and the Stars Be thou ambitious how to Govern best In these Arts Roman thou must be profest That we a Peace well-grounded may enjoy Subjects to spare and Rebels to destroy While the Bishops of Rome did assume an Infallibility and a Sovereign Dominion over our Faith the Reformed Churches did not only justly refuse to grant them that but some of them thought themselves obliged to forbear all Communion with them and would not give them that respect which possibly might belong unto so Antient and so Famous a Church and which might still have been allowed it without any danger of Superstition Having represented to the World how little Mr. Sprat is versed in Grammar-Learning and the Bible Here he gives me an occasion to shew his Ignorance in Church-History It is false and notoriously known to be so by any man that is conversant in the Writings of our Divines against the Papists that the Grand Motive and Reason why the Reformed Churches did Separate from the Bishops of Rome was because they assumed an Infallibility and Sovereign Dominion over our Faith Had the Popes taught the sincere Truths of the Gospel had they not depraved them with heathenish and Superstitious Follies Blasphemies and Idolatry the Point of Infallibility had never come into Question amongst those who were in possession of Truth and Peace but when the gross Usurpations Errors and Damnable Blasphemies and Idolatries of the See of Rome came into Dispute and to be refuted by the means of that Critical Learning and Philosophy assisted by the peculiar Grace and concurrence of God which our Virtuosi deny then was this Question started about the Infallibility of the Roman Catholick Church whether that could Erre That the Bishops of Rome either are Infallible or have any Sovereign Dominion over our Faith was no Question on which Protestancy was introduced and Communion with Papists refused The Papists themselves did avow it they held that the Church Catholick could not Erre and that they that is the Christians in Communion with them were the Church Catholick If the Popes Infallibility came to be asserted it was by the Canonists impious and indeed Blasphemous Parasites Sic omnes Apostolicae sedis Sanctiones accipiendae sunt tanquam ipsius Divini Petri voce firmatae sint So saies Gratian. Distinct 19. Canon 2. But the General Counsels of Pisa Constance and Basil have sufficiently damn'd this Doctrine Leo the Tenth in the Lateran Counsel said indeed that none of his Predecessors had erred but he evidently erred in saying so yet he neither did nor durst say they were infallible The Jesuites of late do I confess assert the Popes infallibility but I well know the Sorbon and the Parliament of Paris and the French King too have lately damn'd this Doctrine of the Popes sworn Janizaries Nay so ridiculous is this assertion of theirs that they neither tell us nor know themselves how he is infallible whether by himself or with his Consistory of Cardinals or a General Counsel and then what is a true General Counsel who must call it who have decisive Votes and whether all or the Major part may be enough to make a Canon Concerning these and many such Questions more they are not agreed and so cannot assure us of what they are not assured themselves If any Pope ever did assume a personal infallibility and Soveraignty in matters of Faith any man might have rejected the bold Assertor without being an Heretick or being guilty of Apostasy from the Roman-Catholick Church for the Gallican Church keep Communion and yet ever denyed the Popes infallibility In fine the Point of Infallibility of the Roman-Catholick Church I am not such a Fool as to say the Infallibility of the Bishops of Rome for they are confessed to have Erred and that damnably some times was not the occasion of the rupture betwixt the Papists and the Protestants at first nor doth it now continue it otherwise then by accident in as much as it hind●rs the Reformation of those Idolatrous Tenets and practises with which that man of Sin hath filled his adherents and without the profession whereof no Protestant can be admitted to their Church-membership and Communion Let any man but comply with them in these Solemnities and I dare engage that he shall neve● be pressed Authoritatively to own that personal Infallibility of the Pope or his Soveraign Dominion in matters of Faith So that there must be more Important grounds than Mr. Sprat imtimates for that great Action of ●he Reformed Churches or the imputation of Maleper●ness and horrid Schisme must be fixed on them But the Truth is they were infallibly certain Certitudine fidei as assured as they were of the Truth of the Bible and Gods word and as Morally certain as Metaphysicks natural That is Aristotelian Phylosophy and Skill of Tongues could make them that the Papi●ts did hold such Errors as none could know and Communicate with without hazard of damnation Nor any Ignorantly profess and be saved without the benefit of an hearty though General repentance and the boundless but not to be presumed upon Effects of that mercy of God in Christ which the Antichristanisme of that Satanicall Synagogue otherwise would frustrate T is not dispu●ed betwixt Church and Church whether the Pope can add new Articles of Faith or vary the old Creed the current of Popish writers ascribe unto him no such Dominion over our Faith no nor to their Counsels They are to enquire Quid traditum est What there is of Ecclesiasticall Tradition in the Scripture and the Church Doctrine and Practise and to determine this or that to be de fide because it hath alwaies been de fide Every Point that comes short of this declaration is so farr short of its Catholicisme and the Obligation to believe it And now let any man Judge whether Mr. Sprat were of the number of those that were Satiated to use his own expression pag. 152 with Religious disputes or of those that never looked into them how necessary soever they be to the support of the English Monarchy the Church of which he is a Member the Salvation of his Soul which is of more importance then these Natural Experiments I could have with more confidence cryed out How beautiful are his Feet● and Hands had I found him employed in the Gospel-work than in this Society But he gives me no
16 th Order to be the best powder but I demand if yet it shall not be more potent that shall receive a greater part th●n five sixths of Nitre and a l●sser by one sixth between the sulphur and the coal Without doubt it shall provided that that little part of the sulphur and Coal be but sufficient to do its office which is discovered by taking fire with speed and also by introducing and maintaining it in the Nitre until it be wholly resolved into fire for if there be so little quantity of the sulphur and Coal as not to do its duty that composition shall be but unuseful and of no value and therefore it will behoove one to take good heed for if it were possible to make good powder of pure Nitre it would be the best and most powerful of all ●ut because it is not apt alone to take fire with that celerity with quick flame as does the sulphur nor to conserve it till it is all consumed as do●s the Coal therefore it is necessary to give it the company of the other two and in such a quantity as may be apt and sufficient to do as it ought which may be discovered as I told you before I understand you well but is this rule general for all kind of Artigliery for it is well known that Pistols require finer powder than Arquebnsus Arqnibusus finer than M●squets and Falconets and Falconets better than other sorts of grea● Artillery and therefore I demand whether it be not necessary to limit this composition and finess according to the sorts of the Pieces It doth appear to me so although it ●e the custome yea I have an opinion it is an error as that about your Cannon in the XI Quest. of the first Book about the length of Guns quantity of Powder and weight of Bullets c. but I will consider better of it and make you sensible of the error in that thing ☞ Of the same opinion with Tartaglia in this last point doth Vannuccio Biringoccio seem to be in that he thus expr●sseth himself The great Artillery does require other Powder than the small as the Gunners are pleased to say But the common Experience as well as the authority of Casimirus Simienowicz doth shew that the large grained powder called Cannon-powder is not so serviceable for small pieces as that which is less and in smaller grains Though whether the smaller-grained powder be not more eff●ctual in Cannons than what is commonly used I know not● certain it is that the lesser the grains are the more powerful is the Powder and yet if the powder be not grenulated at all but in a subtile powder it loseth its efficacie and will scarce throw the Bullet beyond the mussel of the Gun These and other curiosities many of which are touched upon by that learned Lithuanian by Kir●herus our Virtuosi might have taken notice of rather than have digressed into those impertinencies with which he concludes his discourse of Salt-petre Neither have I time to inlarge upon this Subject nor is it my intention to carry this animadversion further than to demonstrate to the meanest capacity how ill some have written upon so noble so conmon and so necessary a Subject and wherein they had such excellent helps from the Writings of others had not their ignorance bereaved them of those aids FINIS An additional Review TO the end that no exceptions may be taken against what I say in relation to the English Liturgy by any of the Episcopal Clergy on the one hand or that the Non-Conformists may not derive any further prejudice against the publique and established Worship in this Nation I do profess that I neither do hereby any way derogate from the Liturgy of the Church of England neither do I think any man can justly condemn Queen Elizabeth for the course She took herein but rather commend her most pious prudence what I say is agreeable to what sundry English Writers say that justifie the equitableness of our penal Laws against the Papists it is conformable to what Dr. Heylin writes in his History of the Reformation primo Elizabethae and the words of Mr. Hales in his Sermon preached at Pauls-Cross are these And here I may not pass by that singular moderation of this Church of ours which she most Christianly exprest towards her Adversaries of Rome here at home in her bosome above all the Reformed Churches I have read of for out of desire to make the breach seem no greater than indeed it is and to hold Communion and Christian fellowship with h●r ●o far as we possibly can we have done nothing to cut off the favourers of that Church The reasons of their love and respects to the Church of Rome we wish but we do not command them to lay down their Lay-Brethren have all means of instruction offered them Our Edicts and Statutes made for their restraint are such as serve only to awake them and cause them to consider the innocencie of that cause for refusal of Communion in which they endure as they suppose such great loss●s Those who are sent over by them either for the retaining of the already perverted or preventing others are either return'd by us back again to them or without any wrong unto their persons or danger of their lives suffer an easie restraint which only hinders them from dispersing the poyson they brought And had they not been stickling in our State-business and medling with our Prince's Crown there had not a drop of their Blood fallen to the ground unto our Sermons in which the warnings of that Church are necessarily to be taxed by us we do not bind their presence only our desire is that they would joyn with us in those prayers and holy Ceremonies which are common to them and us And so accordingly by singular discretion was our Service-Book compiled by our Fore-Fathers as containing nothing that might offend them as being almost meerly a Compendium of their own Breviary and Missal so that they shall see nothing in our Meetings but that they shall see done in their own though many things which are in theirs here I grant they shall not finde And here indeed is the great and main difference betwixt us As it is in the Controversie concerning the Canonical Books of Scripture whatsoever we hold for Scripture that even by that Church is maintained only she takes upon her to add much which we cannot think safe to admit so fares it in other points of Faith and Ceremony whatsoever it is we hold for Faith she holds it as far forth as we our Ceremonies are taken from Her only She over and above urges some things for Faith which we take to be Error or at best but opinion and for Ceremony which we think to be superstition So that to participate with us is though not throughout yet in some good measure to participate with that Church and certainly were that Spirit of