cases a deposition of themselues from their whole temporal estates Kingdoms or Empires as in that of a tyrannical and manifest vsurpation and of necessary restitution the true and legal heire suruiuing and known and possible to be admitted without subuersion of the state or people much more where it may be auaileable to the support of both Yet I hope the Author of this Querie and reasons for the affirmatiue will not say that euery such Ghostly Father can proceed to execution whether their penitents will or not Or can by force of Arms or other corporal means diuest them respectiuely of their ill gotten goods Estates Kingdoms Empires though only to put the lawfull proprietors in possession therof Mr. Walsh the dulness and ignorance which you imputed to the Irish Clergy must be retorted vpon yourself in this dispute Are you so short sighted as not to discern the vast difference there is between the spiritual power of a ghostly Father in soro confessionali as you call it and the spiritual power of a Bishop in his Diocess or of your General in his Order as they are Pastors and Iudges in foro externo The one is exercised and extended no further than to absolue and punish priuatly a penitent who is his own accuser and coms with a perfect submission and resignation to any penance or penalty the Confessor shall think fit to giue If the penitent coms not with this preparation there is no power in the Confessor to absolue him or to giue him a penance But the spiritual power and authority of the Bishops and Generals of orders as such is not only to absolue priuarly one who submits voluntarily and confesseth his frailties and faults of his own accord but to punish and correct publikly such as will not submit voluntarily to any penance nor confess their faults but rather maintain their errors with obstinacy These can not be punished corporaly in foro externo by a spiritual Iudge vntill their sin and perversness be proued by cleer euidence of lawfull witnesses So that it is a quite different power from that of a Confessor If this obstinacy therfore be not checkt and corrected by temporal and corporal penalties independently of the voluntary acceptation of the offender it will encourage and corrupt others to the like insolency and destroy the whole Flock and the whole Order Therfore they who are to ouersee the Church or flock and a religious order and to giue a strict account for the souls committed to their charge must haue annexed to their correctiue power not only that of applying spiritual Censures which vpon obstinat and incredulous minds work litle or nothing as appears in your self Mr. Walsh but also corporal punishments that Virga ferrea wherof Dauid prophecis'd Psal 2. That therwith Christ should gouern his inheritance that is the Church Dabo tibi gentes haereditatem tuam possessionem tuam terminos terrae Reges eos in virga ferrea That iron rod wherwith S. Paul threatned the Corinthians Vultis vt in virga ferrea veniam ad vos And wherwith he punished the incestuous Corinthian and deliuered him ouer to Sathan not only by Excommunication but to be corporaly tormented as the Expositors commonly vnderstand those words in interitum carnis 1. Cor. 4. That iron rod Mr. Walsh wherof it is said Prouerb 13. Qui parâ—it virgae odit filium He who spares the rod hates the child Can you imagin that Christ our Sauior doth hate his children or that he would not leaue a rod in his Church to chastie them with corporal punishments when vice and passion hath rendred them insensible of all spiritual admonitions and censures If according to Scripture Vexatio dat intellectum why should you think that Christ would forbid his Church to vere by corporal punishments those souls which are not troubled or moued at spiritual ones Jf corporal punishments or torments be proportionable or apt to punish correct deterr and amend delinquents in the Common-wealth why not also in the Church would Christ haue his Church wors gouern'd or more destitute of proportionable means to gouern than a Commonwealth Do you grant Mr. Walsh that the Church of Christ ought not to be destitute of means sufficient to compass its ends Do you grant one of the ends of the same Church is to conuert the most incredulous and obstinat sinners Can you deny there are many sinners so incredulous and obstinat that no spiritual admonitions or Censures do them good This you can not deny for it is most euident in your self how often haue you bin admonish'd how often excommunicated by your lawfull Superiors for printing heretical and non sensical bookes and for intermedling in Church and state affairs contrary to your profession and without any commission or capacity for such employments If you do not see this you are the only person that doth not see it and therfore your not seing or at least not belieuing it demonstrats you are incredulous and obstinat This supposed will not you acknowledge that this incredulity and obstinacy of yours which all the world doth iudge to be grounded vpon pride and passion may be lessen'd and reclaim'd by shutting you vp in a cell giuing you spare diet keeping you from ill company that flatter and debauch you and whipping you once or twice a day I wish you would try it The Scripture tells you Virga correptio tribuunt sapientiam Proverb 29. These corporal vexations questionless would work more vpon you than the spiritual Censures haue don for I doubt not but that Gods grace by means of these helps would make you reflect vpon your self and giue you vnderstanding to see how ridiculous presumption it is in an inconsiderable half-witted and not so much as half learned petty friar to take vpon himself to teach the whole or the most considerable part of the Catholik Church Faith and Loyalty as if they had err'd in both for these 600. last years and hath the impudence to print that all the Catholik Bishops now liuing are either Traytors to their Soueraigns or periur'd to the Pope Now Mr. Walsh let 's see which of the two doctrins is destructiue to Soueraigns yours or that of the Catholik Church You state the case in an vsurper or Rebel against his lawfull King He coms to confession the Confessarius enioyns him to restore the Kingdom to the right Souerain He will not I hope say you pag. 79. the Author of this Querie will not say that euery such Ghostly Father can proceed to execution whether the penitent will or no or can by force of Arms or other corporal means deuest them respectiuely of their ill gotten goods Kingdoms c. And from this priuat and penitential power of a Confessarius you inferr that neither Bishops nor Pope can in conscience ferue their Soueraign as not being allowed by God to proceed by force of Arms or other corporal means against vsurpers and Rebells though their design be no
vacant But where are your Bishops and parish Priests Must your Clergy be compos'd only of Cardinals Nay where are your sheep your flocks Mr. Walsh you name but 97. Laiks which number can not afford two Parishioners to each Pastor This is indeed a very litle flock pusillus grex but great I hope in virtue and merit Well! we will not say any thing against their persons but we will set down the fundamental principles wherby you distinguish this blessed flock from that of the Roman Catholik Church which you call Papalin puritan papist popish recusant c. Your 1. principle is that the english oath of supremacy may br a Page 16. of the Dedicatory lawfully taken by all Roman Catholiks nay that they commit a sin of rashness and obstinacy in refusing it You know Mr. Walsh all rashness and obstinacy is a sin 2. a In the Prof. pag. 40. Pref. pag. 49 That temporal Soueraigns may lawfully make lawes in ecclesiastical matters euen of Faith by their own sole authority 3. That for these 600. b Dedic page 13. last years the Roman Catholik Church hath err'd enormously for gainsaying these principles of yours 4. c Pet. Walsh sayes pag. 75. And yet I must tell my Aduersaries that such Catholik Diuines as hold the absolute fallibility of general Councels euen I mean in points of faith think they can say enough for themselâ—es c. That Roman Catholik Authors hold and maintain general Councells are not infallible in defining matters of Faith or doctrin Do you hold such Authors to be Roman Catholik Mr. Walsh If you do your are not one your-self 5. d Pag. 20. Dedic That all the Roman Catholik Bishops of the world for as many hundred years as they haue taken the vsual oath before their consecration haue bin and are now either Traitors or periur'd persons for taking it So that for all this time all general Councels were compos'd wholy of Traitors or periur'd persons 6. That Popes as Popes and Bishops as Bishops e Hâ—â—ory 1. p. sect 33. page 79 can not in conscience contribute or concurr by raising Troops or any other temporal wayes to defend the liues or rights of their lawfull soueraigns against Rebells or endeauor to restore them to their Kingdoms and Dominions if possess'd by vsurpers and Tyrants 7. That the supreme secular Princes can not grant to Clergy f 1. part of the 1. Treatise pag 417. sin men their subiects an exemption from the supreme secular judicature or from their supreme coerciue power Whence must follow that all Christian Princes haue sin'd in doing so and the whole Catholik Church err'd in commanding their piety for granting those immunities 8. That a Page 79 cit no spiritual power as such can inflict vpon any score a corporal punishment for any misdemeanors whatsoeuer particularly for heresy So that the Kings of England by virtue of their spiritual supremacy can not punish heresies And as supreme heads in temporal affairs they can as litle Whence follows that neither as spiritual nor as temporal Heads they can punish heretiks This is good newes for you and the Blakloists Mr. Walsh 9. That neither the Pope nor the b Friar Walsh in his pag 430. 1. part of the first Treatise saith I do my self as I confess I am bound most Religiously allow the â—anonization vencration and inuocation of Saint Thomas of Canterbury and all three of him as of a glerious Martyr too and not with standing I allow also all the mercies raported of him Generals of Regular Orders can inflict any corporal punishment vpon their inferior Priests or Friars for the greatest misdemeanors or for writing such follies as these of yours are Mr. Walsh This also may comfort you 10. That notwithstanding supreme temporal Princes can not in conscience or reason c Pag 429. exempt Clerks from their supreme coerciue power or Courts of secular iudicature according to your 7. principle yet God may and hath wrought great Miracles in the case of S. Thomas of Canterbury to confirm they may so exempt them and by consequence God according to your principles may encourage men to sin by miracles 11. That God may in all like cases work Miracles to assure the Church c Pag 429. that a man who dyes for defending the Church immunities is a Saint and enjoyes his Diuine sight notwithstanding those immunities could not be lawfully granted by Princes to the Church and the man who dyed for maintaining them dyed maintaining an error 12. a Fâ—iar Walsh his words ibid page 4â—9 One may be inuok't as a Martyr in the Church largely or not so strictly yet properly still if he dyes for witnessing or bearing testimony to a good zeal and great piety and excellent conscience in being constant to a cause which one esteems the more iust and generaly seems the more pious for all he knows though it be not an euangelical trnth and though perhaps too he may be deceiued in the obiectiue truth of what he dyes for This is your Creed Mr. Walsh the twelue articles of your Remonstrant Religion By this last all Iewes Turks and heretiks that are pious in their own way and dye for their erroneous Tenets are properly Martyrs though not so strictly and God may work Miracles to confirm the belief of their bliss piety and good conscience and by consequence all our Christian Miracles signify nothing as to the proof of the obiectiue truth of what we belieue they only proue that we mean well in belieuing the Mysteries of Faith though falie in themselues only such Christian and Catholik Martyrs whose Miracles as were wrought say you at the inuocation of God by the Saint himself or by any other that God might be pleased by working such Miracles b Page 429. to euidence the iustice of such a cause do confirm the truth of the doctrin profess'd by such a Martyr or Maintainer of it For if they had bin â—rought so the case would be cleer enough as to such who saw those Miracles or to whose knowledge authentik proofs of them di sufficiently com that enen the obedience truth and iustice of things in such a controuersy had bin on such a Saint or Martyr's side But otherwise wrought they can be no more but Diuine testimonies of his hauing wonderfully or extraordinarily serâ—ed God either â—n his life or death or both whether he was deceiued or no in som things And besides they can be no more or at least on any rational ground can not be said to be any more than Diuine testimonies of his being now with God in glory Do you say all this Mr Walsh to make the world belieue that Turks and Iewes are now with God or Saints in Gods glory Or only to proue that the Miracles wrought by God for S Thomas of Canterbury may stand very well with hauing no truth or iustice on his side in his known controuersy with King Henry 2.
person or persons are the words of the Act and the title of the same which declares the substance and scope therof is All acts made by any person since 1. Eliz. for the consecrating inuesting c. of any Archbishop or Bishop shall be good The making of Bishops and giuing them spiritual iurisdiction only by the Kings letters patents was the primitiue doctrin and spirit of the english Reformation as appears by an Act of Parliament an 1. Eduard 6. entituled an Act for the election of Bishops and what scales and stiles they and other spiritual persons exercising iurisdiction Ecclesiastical shall vse In which Act saith D. Heylin the famous prelatik protestant writer it is ordain'd that Bishops should be made by the Kings letters patents and not by the election of the Dean and Chapters and that all their processes and writings should be made in the Kings name only with the Bishops Teste added to and seald with his seal c. it was plain and euident saith the aforesaid Doctor that the intent of the Contriuers was by degrees to weaken the authority of the Episcopal Order by forcing them from their strong hold of Diuine institution and making them no other than the Kings Ministers only his Ecclesiastical Sheriffs as a man might say I belieue a man may say so still according to the Statuts 1. and 8 Eliz. what say you Mr. Walsh will you yet say that the Oath of Supremacy acknowledges no spiritual authority in the King I am sure it ownes none in the Bishops bur that which they receiue from his Majesty and themselues own it in their Act or Oath of homage that they receiue all their iurisdiction as well spiritual and ecclesiastical as temporal wholy and solely from the King Are not you a litle out of countenance Mr. Walsh to see your confident assertion so manifestly contradicted by the Oath it self by the Statuts by D. Heylin and the Bishops themselues A NIMADVERSION 2. Whether the general Councells of Ephesus and Chalcedon as also the Prouincial of Afrik of 217. Bishops allowed as much to the Emperor and no more spiritual authority to the Pope than the Oath of Supremacy doth BUT in the name of God Mr. Walsh how com you to quote for the lawfullness of the Eglish Oath of Supremacy the general Councells of Ephesus and Chaltedon as also the Prouincial of Afrik with S. Augustin was not Nestorius and his heresy as also that of Pelagius condemn'd in that Councell of Ephesus by Pope Celestinus spiritual authority residing in his Legat Cyrillus of Alexandria Doth not S. Prosper say that all the Eastern Churches were purg'd of two plagues by Celestinus when the most glorious defender of the Catholik Faith Cyrillus Bishop of Alexandria was helpt by the Apostolik sword Did the Emperor Theodosius the yonger pretend to any spiritual iurisdiction or authority in that Councel He sent indeed his Domestik Candidianus to it not to act therin as the Emperor himself writes to the Synod but with an express caution and condition that he should not haue any thing to do with matters of Faith because saith he it is not lawfull for one that is not a Bishop to intermedle in Ecclesiastical buisness or consultations Why then was Candidianus sent by Theodosius the Emperor Mark well Mr. Walsh the reason That he might remoue buisy Monks and others from Ephesus because it is not lawfull saith he for such people to hinder by any tumult the examination of holy Tenets c. I feare most men will be apt to iudge that you are more concern'd in these words and reason of Theodosius than you are aware of T' is a wicked world Mr. Walsh we can not bridle ill tongues men will talke idely let vs be neuer so circumspect I hope you do not buisy yourself in these matters of the Church without your Superiors approbation or commission from the Bishops to whom such matters apertain properly And yet I know not what muttering there is that if any you had it s recall'd long since because you acted quite contrary to it Yourself doth confess page 5. of your first Treatise that your commission was to procure for Ecclesiastiks the benefit of the peace of 48. wherof the principal article or end was freedom of conscience and that a Vt saltem procuret nobis eas conditiones fauores gratias quae in articulis Pacis Reconciliationis An. 1648. compositae ratae confirmatae inter Excellâ—ntissimum Dominum Marchionem Ormoniae Confederatos Catholicos pactae promissae nobis fuerunt These are words of the Commission giuen to Friar Walsh by those few that employd him as you may see pag. 5. of his r. part 1. Treatise The same Friar sets down pag. 49. of his Appendix in the 8. article of the peace 1648. this enfuing Oath as the only to be exacted of Catholiks I. A. B. do truly acknowledge profess testify and declare in my conscience before God and the world That our Soueraign Lord King Charles is lawfull and rightfull King of this Realm and of other his Majesties Dominions and Countries and I will bear Faith and true Alleigance to his Majesty his Heirs and successors and him and them will defend to the vttermost of my power against all Conspiracies and attempts whatsoeuer which shall be made against his or their Crown and Dignity and do my best endeauor to disclose and make known to his Majesty his 〈◊〉 and successors or to the Lord Deputy or other his Majesties Chief Gouernor or Goâ—ernors for the time being all Treasons or Trayterous Conpiâ—acies which I shall know or heare to be intended against his Majesty or any of them and I do make this Recognition and a knowledgment heartily willingly and truly vpon the true Faâ—â—h of a Christian So help me God c. the Roman Catholiks should not be required to take any oathes but one specified in the 8. article of the same peace How came you then to act as their Procurator quite contrary to this and to your commission Realy Mr. Walsh if this be true you are wors than the buisy Monks of Ephesus At least you are very vnfortunat in your allegations of Councells they alwayes seem to make against yourself You bring against the Popes spiritual supremacy the example of the Emperor Martianus in the case of Anatolius and make the 28. Canon of the Councel of Calcedon the ground of your obiection wheras you know in your conscience if you know or read any thing that there are admitted but 27. Canons of the Councell of Calcedon and Theodoret who was present at it testifieth there were no more the clandestin Decree which Anatolius and som Greeks made and foisted into the Canons is reiected as ridiculous and forged as you may see at large in learned Cardinal Perons answer to King Iames lib. 1. cap. 34.2 That though the 28. were admitted as a genuine Canon yet what is that to your purpose against the
Bishop of Rome his spiritual supremacy That 28. Canon pretends only precedency of Constantinople before Alexandria not before Rome But it s much to my purpose and I hope it will be for your profit to mind you how the Emperor Martianus after that the Catholik Faith had bin confirm'd by the Bishops subscriptions did propose somthings in fauor therof to the Fathers thinking it decent saith he to haue them rather form'd or regularly framed by their Decree than by his own Imperial law And the first point of the intended Reformation was that to hinder heresies and the disorders of irregular Monks which of late had so disturbed and infected the Church of God it might be decreed that they should be subiect to the Bishops and not medle with Ecclesiastical or ciuil affairs but serue God and keep within their Monasteries Well Mr. Walsh I see let your friends do all they can to excuse or extenuate your faults you are resolued to lay yourself and them open to your Aduersaries Did not I but iust now aduise you as your best friend not to medle with ecclesiastical affairs which are aboue your capacity and learning especialy these general Councells You see what this of Calcedon and the Emperor Martianus think of irregular religious men and how the generality of people take you to be one of that kind a disturber of the peace of the Church and a broacher of heresies Lord God! could not you be quiet what made you name at all this Councell of Calcedon Did you not know how seuere it is against such men as you are reputed to be I wish with all my heart you had neuer com out of your Conuent and that you were retired in your cell For God's sake quote no more general Councells they are very opposit to your wayes and doctrin This of Calcedon consisting of 630. Bishops at least own'd S. Leo Pope for Head of the vniuersal Church and in his name and by his authority Dioscorus was condemn'd and deposed See Leo his epistle 47. to the Councel sent by his Legats to reside therin saying In these Brethren a Paschasinus and Lucentius Bishops Boniface and Basil Priests directed to you by the Apostolical see your Fraternities may belieue that I preside in your Synod And the Synod answers Truly you did preside as Head to the Members And the Legats sentence against Dioscorus was Sanctissimus ac Beatissimus Papa a The most holy and blessed Pope Leo Head of the uniuersal Church by vs his Legats with consent of the holy Synod being endow'd with Peter the Apostles dignity who is the foundation and rock of the faith and call'd Porter of the heauenly Kingdom hath depriued Dioscorus of Episcopal dignity and of all priestly functions Caput vninersalis Ecclesiae Leo per nos Legatos suos S. Synodo consentiente Petri Apostoli praeditus dignitate qui Ecclesiae fundamentum petra Fidei coelestis regni Ianitor nuncupatur Episcopali dignitate Dioscorum nudauit ab omni Sacerdotali opere fecit extorrem Mr. Walsh doth the Oath of Supremacy allow the Pope to be Head of the vniuersal Church or allow him so much spiritual iurisdiction as this Councel of Calcedon If not why do you quote it to that purpose Perhaps you may haue better luck with Prouincial Councells Let us see You alleadge S. Augustin and 217. Bishops of Afrik against Appeals to Rome in the case of Apiarius and you apply the same to the Oath of Supremacy Mr. Walsh if I be not mistaken Belarmin hath cleerly answer'd that obiection which you borrowed from Caluin as you do most others in your tedious volume from heretiks and Baronius in the very yeare and place quoted by you though you conceal it proues that S. Augustin and the Bishops of Afrik owned the Popes Supremacy and spiritual authority ouer them instancing the case of Antony Bishop Fussalensis of Numidia deposed from his Episcopal administration and reuenue by the Bishops of that Prouince He obtaining a letter of his pretended innocency from his Primat to Pope Boniface appeald to his Holiness Boniface dying his successor Celestinus fauored Antony yet with this caution and Prouiso in his letters if the matter of fact was true and Antony his narration not subreptitious Antony boasted much of this sauor and writ to his friends that the Pope not only gaue sentence for him but also would command the same to be executed by his Executors with military power Wherupon S. Augustin writ a letter to the Pope informing him of the truth and desired him to giue sentence for the people of Antony's Diocess which was the other party because the right was on their side and not to think vpon that violent way wherwith Antony threatned the poor people Permit not saith the Saint these things to be don I beseech thee per Christi sanguinem by the bloud of Christ by the memory of Peter the Apostle who admonisht the Prelats of Christian people not to domineer violently amongst the brethren Heer you see Mr. Wash S. Augustin and the African Bishops admitting of Appeals to Rome nay admitting in the Bishop of Rome right to a coerciue power for executing his sentence in Afrik though indeed they aduise him not to make vse of it in that case so did Ireneus aduise S. Victor the Pope not to excommunicat the Asian Churches albeit he doubted not of his power to excommunicat them Doth the oath of Supremacy allow the Pope such a Supremacy or such a latitude or extent of spiritual jurisdiction out of his temporal estate Let me once more intreat you Mr. Walsh per Christi Sanguinem not to betray your ignorance so manifestly not to expose your-self to the Censure and laughter of all who read Councells or Fathers Had it not bin much better for you not to haue intermedled with these matters wherof you vnderstand so litle than to be look't vpon as a vain ignorant heretik we your friends can not but be concern'd though we can say but litle for you ANIMAD 3. Whether it be rashness obstinacy and a sin in Roman Catholiks to refuse the Oath of Supremacy and Friar Walsh his Remonstrance MR Walsh I couple these two instruments the oath of Supremacy and your Remonstrance together because yourself makes no distinction between them as to the lawfullness of their being taken by Catholiks For though each of them seem to renounce the Popes spiritual authority a Pag. 24. 1. part yet you tell vs there is no such matter because Spiritual authority in those oathes Formularies signifies not Spiritual but temporal authority Seing therfore you are of opinion that the oath of supremacy may be taken with a good conscience by Roman Catholiks and that the whole Roman Catholik Church belieues and tells vs the contrary you haue no reason to be angry with Catholiks if they do not rely vpon your word in any point that concerns their conscience or religion and though your Remonstrance
other than to put the lawfull Proprietor in possession Mr Walsh see how heretical and destructiue your doctrin is Suppose a thing which hath happened and may happen very often Suppose I say an vsurper or Rebell will not go to confession or if he doth will not restore the vsurp't Kingdom or Prouince to his lawfull Soueraign according to his Confessarius his command Hervpon the Bishops of that Kingdom or Prouince according to their duty excommunicat the Tyrant or Rebell for his publik sin and contumacy in keeping out of his Kingdom the lawfull King He contemns their Censures Let me ask you this question Do the Bishops sin in raising of their own accord and as Bishops an Army against the Tyrant or Rebell only to put their lawfull King in possession Answer M. Walsh Do they sin I say in doing this duty would the Pope sin if as Pope he had don the same would Innocenâ— 10. haue sin'd if he helpt to raise an Army in defence of the late King or for the restauration of the present against that vsurper Cromuell would other Popeâ— haue sinn'd in doing the same in prosecution of theiâ— Spiritual Censures in case these had not seru'd theiâ— turn against the Barons when they excommunicated them for their rebellion against King Iohn or King Henry the third Is the whole Catholik Church guiltâ— of heresy and impiety for maintaining this doctrinâ— Speake out Mr. Walsh or at least retract for shamâ— this wicked destructiue principle and accuse not thâ— Church of God as asserting in itself a power preiudiâ—cial to Soueraigns that power I say which hath biâ— so often applied and of its own nature is so appliâ—abâ— to their safety and seruice Do not follow Blacklows he retical principles whom you page 43. 1. p. termâ— learned Priest of the Roman Communion though much for most of his bookes censur'd at Rome They are censured all and censured as Arch heretical And one of them obedience and Gouernment is censur'd for this very doctrin of yours viz. That Subiects sin if they endeauor to restore their disposest and exiled lawfull Soueraign And this Blaklow after all this you and the Blakloistes call a learned Catholik Priest Do you imagin that any Catholik or protestant Soueraign will permit you or a Chapter and Clergy that hold such an Author to be a Catholik and of eminent learning to liue in their Dominions and instruct their Subiects Retire retire to your Conuent good Father Walsh obey your Superiors retract your heretical doctrin so inconsistent with the safety of lawfull Soueraigns submit to the corporal punishment your General will inflict vpon you when you are absolued from so many spiritual Censures you haue incurr'd buisy your-self no longer with Church or state affairs seing you are not sit for either and are so ignorant that pretending to fauor the Soueraignty of Princes you make it vnlawfull for Bishops to ferue them and accuse the Church of heresy for claiming a power to correct with corporal punishments you and such Friars as you are ANIMAD 5. Whether the Roman Catholik Church hath fallen into heresy or hatherr'd enormously these last 600. years for contradicting Friar Peter Walsh his doctrin of a spiritual supremary in temporal Soueraigns and whether all the Roman Catholik Bishops of all the world haue bin for the same 600. years or as least are in this last Century either Traytors to their Soueraigns or periur'd to the Pope for taking the ancient and vsual eath before Episcopal Consecration IT S euident Mr. Walsh by your own words quoted in the first and second Animaduersion that one of the enormous errors wherwith you charge the Church of God for these last 600. years is that the 80. Popes the innumerable writers and all the Bishops therof deny'd to temporal Soueraigns that Supremacy which is attributed in the English oath of Supremacy and a Legislatiue power of making lawes in ecclesiastical matters euen of Faith We haue also quoted these your words of the page 40. n. 3. in your Preface to the Reader If the truth were known it would be found that Baronius and the rest following him were willing to make vse of any malicious vngrounded fictions whatsoeuer against Instinian the Emperor c. by reason his Lawes in ecclesiastical matters euen those of Faith are a perpetual eysore to them because these Lawes are a precedent to all other good Princes to gouern their own respectine Churches in the like manner without any regard of Bulla Coenae or of so many other vain allegations of those men that would make the world belieue it vnlawfull for Secular Princes to make ecclesiastical lawes by their own sole authority for the gouernment of the Church c. To reform therfore this so long erroneus Church and to restore to Secular Princes that spiritual iurisdiction which is giuen them in the oath of Supremacy or a legislatiue power of making ecclesiastical lawes euen in matters of Faith by their own sole authority you Friar Walsh haue found out a Remonstrance wherin all this power and right is asserted and as you say ought to be taken by all loyall Subiects especialy the Bishops who renounce their allegiance by this ensuing oath to the Pope before their consecration which you set down in latin and I translate into inglish The Oath wherby according to Friar Walsh all Bishops are made Traytors pag. 19 Dedic IN. Elect of the Church N. from this hour forward will be faithfull and obedient to S. Peter the Apostle and to the holy Roman Church and to our Lord Pope N. as also to his Successors I will not be in counsel consent or fact that they may loose life or limb or be imprisoned or violent hands laid vpon them in any manner or any iniury don to them vpon any color whatsoeuer The Counsell wherwith they will trust me by themselues their Nuncios or letters I will not reueal to their preiudice The Roman Papacy and royalties of Saint Peter I shall help to retain and defend Saluo meo Ordine against all men I will treat honourably the Legat of the see Apostolik as he passeth by and returns and shall help him in his necessities I shall endeauor to conserue defend increase and promote the rights honors priuileges and authority of the holy Roman Church of our Lord the Pope and of his Successors I will not be in counsell fact or treaty wherin are plotted any sinister or preiudicial things against the Lord Pope or the Roman Church And if I know of any such plots against them I will endeauor to hinder them to the best of my power as also discouer them as soon as I can to the Pope himself or to som other that may giue him notice therof I shall obserue and cause to be obserued to the vttermost of my power the rules of the holy Fathers the Decrees Ordinations or dispositions reseruations prouisions and Apostolik Mandats I shall impugn and prosecute to my power Heretiks
least one who hath bin the better for his subscription A man would think that my Lord of Iueaghs extraction innocency and merit his breaking General Oneales Army his raising and loosing two or three Regiments in the Kings seruice his venturing himself and his neerest relations in the towns besieged by Cromuâ—ll his constant following his Majesties person and fortune in exile needed no further remonstrance of his loyalty but howeuer that nothing might be obiected against him he sign'd yours and yet is nothing the neerer his Estate I know you pressed my Lord Duke of Ormond very much in Sir Robert Talbots behalf saying it would be a great scandal if the only gentleman in Ireland who neuer would reiect the peace of 46. and sufferd so much vpon that account were not restored to his Estate and yet you see he was and his son is in the same condition with the rest of your subscribers But the most damnable cheat of all Mr. Walsh is that you made the subscribers belieue your Remonstrance was only a recognition of his Majesties supreme temporal authority and right to his Kingdoms but now you declare that it asserts all which the oath of Supremacy doth and that Roman Catholiks are rash and obstinat and by consequence commit a sin in denying to take the oath of supremacy wherof as was well known to such as refus'd to subscribe this your Remonstrance contains the substance which is that temporal Soueraigns may by their own sole authority gouern the Church and make lawes in Ecclesiastical matters euen of Faith To proue this and the lawfullness of your Remonstrance renouncing all those papalin or popish recusants doctrins against which the oath of supremacy was made and is tender'd is the subiect and scope of this great Tome of yours This is your own ingenious confession these your endeauors since the year 61. You should haue told this in the beginning to the Layty and to such of the Clergy as vnderstood not your design and doctrin Now that they all know both you must not admire if euen the subscribers detest you as a betrayer of their souls as well as of the Kings interest not only by your former actions but now also by your bookes and writings inculcating to all Bishops and other Churchmen that they commit a sin if as Churchmen they concurr and contribute with their reuenues or any other corporal means to preserue their King or to restore him if God should for our sins permit an other reuolution and that his right were possess'd by a rebel or Tyrant Is this Christian or Catholik doctrin Hath the spiritual calling or caracter of a Bishop or of a Clergy man such antipathy with the duty of a subiect and of spiritual Father that a Bishop or Priest must sin if either of them apply his temporal goods to the support of his lawfull Prince You may as well maintain that the caracter of Baptism or Christianity must make it a sin in lay subiects to defend or restore their lawfull Soueraign for Christianity is as solemn and spiritual a profession of following Christs doctrin as Episcopacy a Friar Walsh is half a Blakloist and Priestod is I see Mr. Walsh you are half a Blakloist Blaklow and you agree in saying that Subiects can not in conscience concurr to restore a dispossess'd lawfull soueraign but you say it only of the Clergy he of all You ground your error vpon the spirituality and supernaturality of the Clergyes caracter Blaklow vpon the nature of man which as that heretical Traytor pretends in his book of Obedience and Gouernment inclines him rationaly and obliges him to preferr his quiet and share of the human conueniencies of an vsurpt gouernment before the Diuine right which hereditary Soueraigns haue to be temporal Gouernors vnder God of their Subjects and the obligation Subiects haue to venter their liues and fortunes to assert that right and restore their lawfull Soueraigns in case they should be disposest therof It s no more a meruail to me that the b See Doctor Ceorge Leyburns Apology pretended Dean and Chapter of England which commended Blaklows doctrin as eminent after he had writ this destructiue Tenet did also commend your Remonstrance But I admire you should boast so much pag. 55. of their approbation as to print their Dean's letter to the Bishop of Dromore for an euidence therof Consider what credit can such mens approbation as cry vp Blaklows condemned doctrin and bookes for eminent be to yours I am sure such principles as these are not to be tolerated either in the Church or commonwealth Cease then to complain and to wonder Mr. Walsh that our King our Parliaments our priuy Councellors and the Lords Lieutenants of Ireland slight a Remonstrance and doctrin which doth inculcat or inferr so vnchristian Tenets as yours so destructiue to Monarchy and morality so incontinent with the safety of Soueraigns and the duty of Subiects What think you Mr. Walsh of the Clergy of France Do they sin when euery fifth or third year in their Assemblies they voluntarily tax themselues and giue so considerable summs to their King for his occasious They do not giue this help as temporal Peers or Barons of the Realm but as Bishops Abbots Priors Curats c. Do they sin I say in doing this Doth the Spanish Clergy sin in giuing their Milliones voluntarily and as a Clergy to their King Doth the Pope sin for concurring as Pope with them by Bull or licence for these donations If your Remonstrant Church had com to that perfection you flatter'd yourself with sure your Clergy would haue bin very rich for they must not haue giuen voluntarily as Bishops one penny of their Reuenues to the King to defend himself or the Kingdom against Rebells or foreign Inuaders But if an Impostor Commissary comes he way by a forged commission and the Popes authority impose a taxe vpon the Kings Subiects and leuy it by Excommunications and Censures Js your loyal Formulary and Reformation of the Roman Catholik Church of these last 600. years com to this Mr. Walsh Who is the Traytor who is the heretik You for your Remonstrance or all the Bishops in the world for taking the vsual oath at their Consecrations For shame Mr. Walsh repent retract and retire to your Conuent and neuer write more of matters you vnderstand not But before you retire I will solue a very curious and material question put by yourself in the page 579. of the second part of your first Treatise But if any demand saith Friar Walsh sect 2. pag. 579 how it came to pâ—ss that in the year 1648. there was so great and numerous a party of the Roman Catholik Clergimen of Ireland who together with Father Peter Walsh appeared so realy zealously constantly and successfully too for the King against the Nunâ—ios Censures of Excommunication and Interdict that they quite worsted the other side and preuaild euen for and to the actual reduction of
the Consederates to an absolute submission to the King and his Lieutenant in that Kingdom and yet now since his Majeslyes happy restauration sixty nine only of a great body of 200. Clergymen at home in Ireland should be found to appear professing so their Allegiance to his Majesty And yet also these very few so professing to be therfore and only therfore by their Aduersaries without any feare or shame opposed yea to their power persecuted This is Mr. Walsh a rational doubt if rightly proposed You mistake the question it ought to be this How coms it to pass that of the great and numerous body of the loyal Irish Catholik Clergy that approued themselues so in the occasion of tryal an 1648. there should be found so many as 69. an 1662. that subscribed to Peter Walsh his Remonstrance so destructiue to the Kings safety right and authority as he hath bin demonstrated Now I will solue this question Yow know Mr. Walsh when ambitious and irregular Friars who aspire to Bishopriks and hate the pouerty and disciplin of their institute want friends and money they inuent twenty deuices to compass both Now Redmund Caron and you were resolued to be Bishops the one of Armagh the other of Dublin You despar'd of obtaining Miters by your merit and the ordinary wayes therfore you resolued to fright the Court of Rome into it by setting vp this your Remonstrance and including yourselues into ecclesiastical and state affairs you importun'd two great Ministers of state to countenance the pressing of your Formulary vpon the Irish Clergy and Gentry which had so faithfully serued and followed the King in the worst of times by shedding their bloud and spending their Estates in his quarrel that they needed not any paper instrument to manifest or confirm their loyalty And though the Ministers knew this very well and vnderstood as well that it was not any good zeal but your ambition and couetousness which moued Caron and you to buisy yourselues in a matter very improper for your calling and much aboue your capacities yet for reasons best knowen to themselues and common to all statesmen they were content to let two such fellows as you preach and press a Formulary which they foresaw would diuide the Catholiks amongst themselues discredit their Religion and giue the gouernment the color and aduantage of excluding from their Estates many meriting gentlemen for not professing that allegiance which learned Friars of their own persuasion maintain'd to be absolutely necessary in a faithfull Subiect So that your Remonstrance serued to exclude many honest men from their right but neuer restored any to his inheritance though many foold by you and Caron put their hands to it in hopes of receiuing therby the benefit of the peace 48. As for your 69. Clergymen that subscribed the Remonstrance yourself doth confess pag. 578. part 2.1 Treat Som fell off immediatly after their signing in the yeare 1662. Others were content only to haue sign'd it like so many Nicodemus de nocte not acknowledging amongst the Opposers what they had don Som who albeit they had sufficient iudgment to guide themselues or their own personal duty in order to themselues alone yet had not those abilities either to persuade or satisfy others Finaly there was not wanting amonst them a false and treacherous troublesom and impudent Brother c. who discouered all might do them prejudice and betray them too wherin soeuer he might I see Mr. Walsh that of your 69. Ecclesiastical subscribers som fell off immediatly others durst not own their subscription others knew not how to iustify it and one false Brother betrayd your Councells or cheats The matter is wors than I thought I pray how many able constant subscribers are there left in your Remonstrant Church When you petitioned the King and Councell in its behalf against the titular Archbishop of Dublin you could name but seuen and four of the seuen fell off then and I belieue the other two haue don the same since What A Church and none but one Friar Walsh to profess its Faith Is AntiChrist com Euen in his time the Professors of Christianity will be more then one One makes no Congregation and by consequence no Church But you say pag. 577. the deceased Bishop of Dromore Oliner Darcy was one What then Doth his authority weigh more than that of all the Bishops who condemn your Remonstrance I abstain as much as I can from censuring the dead but I can not well in this occasion you relying so much vpon this deceased Bishops authority who was the only that subscrib'd to your Remonstrance This obliges me to diminish a litle his credit Father Iohn Talbot of whom you said when he dyed as if it were a rarity or kind of miracle There lyes one honest Iesuit assured me that after his Brother Sir Robert Talbot had with the rest of the Commissioners at length concluded with my Lord of Ormond the peace of 1646. Sir Robert went in great hast from Dublin to Conaght where General Presion then was with his Army and persuaded that General to haue the peace proclaim'd in the head of the same A litle after the Nuntius began to treat with you and Friar Oliner Darcy before he was Bishop of Dromore who was General Preston's Ghostly Father and vpon that score could do much with him Sir Robert Talbot hauing bin made Prisoner for his zeal to the Kings seruice and to that peace charged his Brother Iohn Talbot to keep still neer General Preston to the end he might keep him constant to the peace for that he feard Friar Oliuer Darcy vpon the hopes which were giuen him of a Bishoprik would make the General alter his resolution F. Iohn Talbot did so and hauing certain intelligence that Friar Darcy had vndertaken to the Nuncius to gain Preston to his party he ask't the General at Lucan whether he was still constant to the resolution he had taken of reassuming and adhering to the peace of 46. as he had lately promised to my Lord of Ormond He sayd he was and the rather because Friar Oliuer Darcy told him he ought to be so Father Iohn replyed my Lord will you giue me your word and hand to continue so though Father Darcy should aduise you to the contrary The General laught at the improbability of such a thing But the weak though honest General fell from his resolution by the Friars importunity who had bin gain'd by the Nuncius and vpon this Friar Oliuer Darcy was made Bishop of Dramore Now I will tell you Mr. Walsh how he came to be the chief subscriber of your Remonstrance Be not startled do not think I am a witch there are hundreds can tell you as well as I though you make it a secret This poor Bishop had the misfortune to hinder his Brother Sir Iâ—mes Darcy from doing his duty of following the King into Flanders with the Duke of yorks Regiment which he commanded when he receiued Orders to
take his pass as the other Colonells did Hereby the Bishop incurr'd his Kings displeasure and ruin'd the fortune of his Brother a very loyal worthy gentleman and a good Commander After the Kings happy restauration this vndutifull carriage of the Bishop was not forgot at whitehall and he not knowing how to liue in France hauing also a desire to return to his own Countrey writ to you Mr. Walsh that he would do any thing you would haue him do so he might be permitted to return and liue at home A large offer and an argument of a large conscience in circumstances wherin he knew you wanted and sought at this very time a Bishop to head your vpstart Church You took him at his word and he set his hand to to your Remonstrance Whether he repented or no at his death I know not but I am sure Friar Redmund Caron whom you canonize for a Saint pag. 759. ought to haue retracted the doctrin of his Remonstrantia Hibernorum which was stuff't with so notorious and palpable falsifications that he can not be presumed to haue bin ignorant of them But his last aduice and Adieu to you is sad and remarkable for he declared as you say pag. 760. That you were bound in conscience to prosecute still euen after his death that matter of the Remonstrance and continue the defence or aduancement of that doctrin which in his life time you had for so many years and notwithstanding so much contradiction maintain'd You do a great iniury Mr. Walsh to the memory and merit of that Illustrious and Catholik Prelat Thomas Dease quondam Bishop of Meath in ioyning him in the same page with Caron as approuing at his death of your Remonstrance and doctrin What if he did approue of the book of Queries Was there any thought or knowledge then of your Remonstrance Is there any thing in that book of Queries asserting a spiritual supremacy in Princes or denying it to the Pope Doth it say that Secular Princes by their own sole authority may gouern the Church and make Ecclesiastical lawes euen in matter of Faith Doth it maintain that Catholiks both rashly and obstinatly deny to take the oath of Supremacy and by consequence commit a sin for not taking it Doth it say the General Councells of Ephesus and Calcedon gaue as much to temporal Princes and as litle to the Pope of spiritual authority as the oath of Supremacy doth Doth it say that som Catholiks hold Generall Councells are fallible Where will you find in the book of Queries that the Roman Catholik Church hath err'd enormously in its principles and practises these last 600. years and that all the Bishops thereof are either Traytors to their Princes or periur'd to the Pope in taking the vsual oath at their consecration Doth the book of Queries teach that if Bishops as Bishops help their Soueraigns with money or armes against Rebells or Vsurpers they offend God As also that temporal Soueraings offend God in exempting the Clergy from their Secular Supreme Courts Doth the book of Queries teach that God may work Miracles to confirm a falshood or at least the Sanctity of a man who has a good intention and zeale in maintaining it or dying for it thinking it to be a truth Or that a man who dyes so for maintaining an error is properly though not strictly a Martyr Or that the whole Church when it celebrats the feast of a Saint as properly and strictly a Martvr may be mistaken in declaring and belieuing him such a Martyr though not in belieuing him a Saint in Heauen All this you maintain in Saint Thomas of Canterberies case as necessary consequences flowing from the doctrin of your Remonstrance Did Bishop Thomas Dease nay did Caron himself defend these heresies The book of Queries only asserted the lawfullness of making peace and Confederacies with Protestants and that the Popes Nuncius could not validly excommunicat the Irish Catholiks for doing so and that it was lawfull to appeal to the Pope in those circumstances and that the said Appeal did suspend the Nuncius Censures No learned Catholik denyes this doctrin But not one Catholik in the world doth or can maintain your doctrines now mention'd and therfore you are not only heretik but an Impostor pretending that they who opposed the Nuntius his Censures and practises in Ireland were your Remonstrants ANIMADVERSION 9. Whether temporal Soueraigns can exempt from their Supreme coerciue power the Clergy of their Dominions THAT they haue don so de facto is euident by the lawes and practise of all Christian Emperors and Kings especialy in England euer since Christianity florished But what 's that to the purpose if Friar Walsh say they could not de iure or in conscience Pardon me 't is somthing For though Friar Walsh his authority be very great Especialy when he hath Barclay the Poet or Romantik writer to back him yet I hope the persuasion and practise of the whole Catholik Church the belief of all Christian Princes and Prelats for so many hundred years will weigh more than the opinion of a Romantik Poet or a Remonstrant Friar Excuse then I pray Mr. Walsh poor Cardinal Belarmin whose ignorance you so much pitty for being mightily startled at this position of yours and Barklay's The temporal a Friar Walsh 1. part of his first Treatise pag. 267 Seq Princes themselues how otherwise Supreme soeuer could not can not by any law right authority or power giuen them by God or man exempt from themselues that is from their own Supreme Ciuil and euen coerciue power the Clergy men of their Dominions Sure you must needs haue a very cleer demonstration for this Tenet that forces you to hold it being so contrary to the doctrin and practise of the Church You say you haue Out with it then Mr. Walsh and let not the Faithfull be any longer foold Good Reader be attentiue 't is a profound acute argument you will find it pag. 271. cit in these words Whosoeuer haue and continue any office which essentially inuolues a power Supreme both directiue and coerciue of all Clerks within their Dominions may not deuest themselues of the power of directing and coercing the same Clerks vnless they do withal deuest themselues of that office as towards the self same Clerks Because they can not deuest themselues of the essence of that which they hold still this arguing a plain contradiction But the Office of Kings inuolues a power supream both directiue and coerciue of all Clerks within their Dominions Ergo. The Minor you must proue Mr. Walsh I haue already don that saith he and at large by very natural reason I find none but that desinition of a King for which you quote your great claslik Author Almainus de sup potest c. cap. 5. thus Aliquem esie Regem nihil aliud est quam habere Superioritatem erga subditos in subditis esse obligationem pariendi Regi c. This is all you set