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abominable_a as_o you_o have_v need_n of_o far_o sharp_a corasives_n and_o other_o more_o dreadful_a sentence_n of_o scripture_n to_o be_v apply_v to_o your_o estate_n such_o as_o these_o be_v if_o any_o man_n worship_v the_o beast_n and_o his_o image_n and_o receive_v his_o mark_n in_o his_o forehead_n or_o on_o his_o hand_n the_o same_o shall_v drink_v of_o the_o wine_n of_o the_o wrath_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n rev._n 14.9.10.11_o they_o that_o receive_v not_o the_o love_n of_o the_o truth_n that_o they_o may_v be_v save_v god_n will_v send_v they_o strong_a delusion_n to_o believe_v lie_n that_o they_o may_v be_v damn_v etc._n etc._n 2_o thes_n 2.10_o 11.12_o he_o that_o obey_v not_o the_o son_n shall_v not_o see_v life_n but_o the_o wrath_n of_o god_n abide_v on_o he_o joh._n 3.36_o to_o they_o that_o be_v contentious_a and_o disobey_v the_o truth_n and_o obey_v unrighteousness_n shall_v be_v indignation_n and_o wrath_n tribulation_n and_o anguish_n upon_o the_o soul_n of_o 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