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A boke made by Iohn Frith prisoner in the tower of London answeringe vnto M mores lettur which he wrote agenst the first litle treatyse that Iohn̄ Frith made concerninge the sacramente of the body and bloude of, christ vnto which boke are added in the ende the articles of his examinacion before the bishoppes ... for which Iohn Frith was condempned a[n]d after bur[n]et ... the fourth daye of Iuli. Anno. 1533.; Boke answeringe unto M Mores lettur
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Frith, John, 1503-1533.
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the sacrament as well as the other Wherfore you muste nedes grauÌ„t that the sacrameÌ„t ys not the naturall bodye of christ but a figure tokeÌ„ or memoriall therof Nowe good christeÌ„ people count not this new lerninge w c is firmed by suche olde doctors faithfull fathers Nowe were this ynough for a Christen man that loued no coÌ„tencyon But because there are so many sophisters iÌ„ the world w c care not what they saye so they hold not ther peace I muste nedes sette som bulwarke by this holye doctoure to helpe to defende hym for els they will shortly ouer ruÌ„ne hym as they do me and make hym an hereâ—yck to Therfore I wyll allege hys master s. Ambrose Sainct Ambrose sayth NoÌ„ iste panis q uadit in corpus a nobis â—am anxie querituâ— sed panis uitae aeternaeq aiÌ„ae nrÌ„ae substaÌ„ciaÌ„ fulscit q auÌ„t discordat a christo noÌ„ manducat carneÌ„ eiê° nec bibit sanguineÌ„ eius si taÌ„tae rei sacrameÌ„tuÌ„ iudiciuÌ„ sue perditionis accipit That ys thys bred that goth in to the bodye ys not so gredelye sought of vs but the bread of euerlasting liffe w c vpholdeth the substaÌ„ce of our soule For he that discordeth from Christ doth not eate his fleshe nor drinke hys bloude allthough he receyue the sacrament of so great a thinge vnto hys dampnacyon and distructyon Forthermore the great clarke prosper coÌ„fyrmeth the same sayinge Qui discordat a Christo nec carneÌ„ Christi manducat nec sanguineÌ„ bibit etiaÌ„ si tantae rei sacramentuÌ„ ad iudiciuÌ„ suae praesumptioÌ„is quotidie indiffereÌ„ter accipiat That ys he that discordeth from Christ doth nether eate hys fleshe nor drinke hys bloude allthough he receyue indifferently euery day the sacrameÌ„t of so great a thinge vnto the coÌ„dempnation of his pÌ„sumption And thes are allso the very wordes of bede vppon the .xi. Chapiter of the fyrste pystyll to the Corinthians Nowe you may see that yt ys not Saynct Austens mynde onlye But allso the sayinge of many mo And therfore I truste you wyll be good vnto hym And yf ye condempne not thes holye fathers then am I wrongfullye punished But yf you condempne them then muste porefryth be content to beare the burthen w t them ¶ The mynde and exposicyon of the olde Doctours vppon the wordes of Christes maundey ANd where Master More sayth that yf Christe had not ment after the playne literall sense that both the hearers at that tyme and the expositors syns all Christen people beside this xv.c. yere wold not haue taken onlye the leterall sens being so straunge and meruâ—lous that yt might seame impossible and decline from the letter for allegories in all suche other thinges beinge as he saith and as in dede they be so manie ferre in noumbre moo As touchinge the hearers they were deceiued vnderstod hym not I meane as manye as toke his wordes fleslye as you do And they had ther answer of Christe when they murmured that hys wordes were sprite and lyffe that ys as S. Austen sayeth spiritually to be vnderstond and not fleslye as ys before declared And as for the exposâ—tours I thynke he hath not one of the olde fathers for hym but certen new fellowys as Dominic s. Thomas Oâ—â—am and suche other w c haue made the pope a God And as I haue shewed s. Austen maketh full for vs and so doo all the olde fathers as Oecolampadius hath well declared in hys â—oke qâ—id ueâ—eres senserint de sacramento eucharristiae And some of theyr sayinges I shall allege anon And wher you saye that all chrysten people haue so beleued this .1500 yeres that is very faulse For ther ys no doubte but that the people thought as holye Saint austen and other fayth full fathers taught them Which as I sayd make with vs. Not with stondynge in dede sith oure prelates haue byn made lordes haue sett vp their lawes and decres coÌ„trarye to the prerogatyue of all prynces and lyke moste sotâ—e traytours haue made all men beleue that they maye make lawes and bynde mens conscyences to obey them aÌ„d that theyr lawes are godds lawes blyndinge the peoples yen with too or .3 textes wrongfullye wrested to avaÌ„ce their pryde where they ought to obeye kynges prynces and be subiecte to ther lawes as christ and hys aposteles were euen vnto the deth Sith that tyme I saye they haue made meÌ„ beleue what they lyst and made articles of the fayth at their pleasure One article muste be that they be the churche can not erre And this ys the grouÌ„de of all their doctryne But the trueth of this article ys nowe suffecieÌ„tly knoweÌ„ For yf quene katerine be kynge heÌ„ries wyffe theÌ„ they do erre yf she be not theÌ„ thei haue erred to speake no more cruel lye It ys nowe be coÌ„e an article of our fayth that the pope of Rome muste be the hede of the churche the vicar of christe that bi goddes lawe yt ys an article of our fayth that what so euer he byndeth in yerth ys bouÌ„de in heuiÌ„ in so moche that yf he cuâ—â—e wrongfullye yet ye muste be feared infinite suche other w c are not iÌ„ our crede but blessed be god that hath geueÌ„ some light in to our priÌ„ces herte For he hath lateâ—â—e putforth a boke called the glasse of trouth w c ê“ueth many of thes articles verye folishe phaÌ„taâ—ies that euyn by theyr owin doctours aÌ„d so I truste you shaâ—be ê“ued iÌ„ this poiÌ„t of the sacrameÌ„t for though it be an article of our faith yt is noÌ„ article of our crede in the .xij. articles wherof are sufficient for our saluatioÌ„ And therfore we may thynke that you lye w t oute all Ieoperdye of dampnacyon Neuerthelesse seinge his mastership saith that all make for him aÌ„d I say clene coÌ„trarie that all the olde fathers make agaynste hym or at the lest wise not w t him It were necessarie that one of vs shulde proue his purpoâ—se But in dedâ— in this poynt he wold loke to haue the vâ—Ì„tayge of me For he thinketh that men will soner beleue hym w c ys a great man then me w c am but a poore man and that therfore I had more nede to proue my parte true then he to proue his Well I am content and therfore geue eare dere reader and Iudge betwene vs. First I will begin w t Tertulian because he is of moste antiquâ—teâ— Tertullian saith Ipse Christus nec paneÌ„ reproâ—auit qd ipsum corpus suuÌ„ representat That ys to saye Christ him sellfe dyd not reproue or discoÌ„mende bred w t doth repÌ„sent his very bodie For the vnderstonding of thys place you must knowe that there was an hereticke caulled marcion w c did reê“ue creatures said that all maner of creatures were euelâ— This thinge doth Tertullyan improue by the sacrament and sayeth Christ did not reproue or discomende bred