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moses_n this_o be_v 14_o year_n after_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n say_v surius_n in_o the_o place_n above_o cite_v an._n 51._o say_v baronius_n wherein_o paul_n be_v advise_v to_o purify_v four_o person_n after_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n for_o to_o pacify_v the_o jew_n who_o be_v incense_v against_o he_o as_o a_o enemy_n to_o moses_n the_o ordinary_a gloss_n and_o surius_n observe_v only_o these_o four_o some_o add_v two_o more_o one_o act_n 4._o another_o act_n 11._o i_o will_v add_v one_o more_o not_o mention_v in_o the_o scripture_n but_o mention_v by_o many_o father_n as_o ruffinus_n jerome_n augustine_n leo_n venantius_n albinus_n flaccus_n &_o alii_fw-la apostle_n 5._o council_n of_o the_o apostle_n wherein_o they_o compose_v the_o apostle_n creed_n be_v now_o ready_a to_o depart_v one_o from_o another_o as_o a_o rule_n of_o preach_v whereby_o it_o may_v be_v discern_v who_o do_v preach_v christ_n according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o apostle_n