not a propertie belonging vnto the Church of God I We BELEEVE the holy Catholike Church But faith is the evideÌ„ce of things which are NOT SEENE Heb. 11 II In the visible Church there are many Hypocrites but God only knoweth who are such De occultis non iudicat Ecclesia And Christ ONLY knoweth who are his Ioh. 10.2 Tim. 2. III By examples in the holy Scriptures the Church is described to be invisible 2. Chron. 15.3.4 Now for a long season Israel hath bin without the true God and without Priest to teach and without law But whosoever returned in his affliction to the Lord God of Israel and sought him he was found of them At this time Christ was not without his spouse but albeit the Ministry was corrupted hee had his invisible Church 1. King 19.18 I leaue seaven thousand in Israel that haue not bowed the knees to Baal This company was not seene with corporall eies And in the time of Christs coÌ„ming GOD had his invisible Church Marie Ioseph Zacharias Elizabeth the wise men that came from the East Simecon Anna c albeit publike Ministery was corrupted IV Paule saith Rom. 2.28.29 He is not a Iew which is one outward neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh But he is a Iew which is one within and the circumcision it of the heart in the spirite not in the letter whose praise is not of men but OF GOD. 2 Those places of Scriptures which the Suppliant quote proue only the durance holynes integrity good workes of the Church not the visibility thereof vnto all persons at all times 4 As for the suppliants Dilemma The vnknowne companie did either professe their faith and refuse to communicate with the false Church or they did not If they did professe their faith and refuse to communicate with the other theÌ„ was it not invisible If they did not professe their faith nor refuse to communicate with the false Church they could not be the true Church c. I answere 4 I. If they did not professe their faith c they could not be the true Church Here the Suppliants meane publike profession and open refusall we deny this Position indeed they can never proue it By their reason this is a good argumeÌ„t Those seaven thousands which bowed not their knees vnto Ball either professed their faith or did not If they did professe it how could not Elias see them If they did not professe it then they were not the true Church and yet who seeth not the vanity of it 5 II. They adde That vnknowne company coÌ„municated with the false Church I marvel how the Suppliants know this Go to let vs vrge them with a Dilemma seeing they affect such kind of arguing so much I that company was vnknowne hovv know they what they did If they were not vnknowne but professed openly then what haue they to obiect 6 The Christian Reader may read in the 8. and 9. Chap. of the Prophecie of Ezechiel concerning those faithfull people that mourned and cryed for the abominations that were committed in Hierusalem how the Lord coÌ„maunded to set a marke on their forheads least they should perish learne thence that the Lorde wanteth no meanes to vindicate and saue his Church from destruction even in time of greatest calamity Reason of Religion 32 32. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion in whose largenes spreading amplitude over the whole world the predictions and promise of our Saviour are a These predictions are not verified in Popery but in true Christianitie verified not can take their truth and verification in any other sect or doctrine that ever was or is at this day on earth This Gospell of the kingdome saith our Saviour shall bee preached in the whole worlde for a testimony to all Nations Mat. 24.14 And by the pen of another Evangelist That penance shoulde be preached in his Name and remission of sinnes vnto all Nations Luk 24 47. And our Lord also compared this his Gospell to a Mustard seede one of the least of all seeds in the beginning but wheÌ„ it is growne it maketh great boughes so that the birds of the aire that is as Expositors interprete the greatest Powers and the most wise of the world come and dwell vnder the shadow thereof Mat. 13.31 Mark 4 32. making their residence happynesse and rest therein A resemblance predictions which cannot agree or fall in with any b An evident vntruth other religion saue only with the Catholike Romane Religion and with this very fully as the particulars precedent and subsequent doe cleerely demonstrate Resolution of the 32. Reason Popish Religion is that which is spread over all the world Ergo Popish Religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 THis reason is the very same with the 29. and is there answered 2 Those predictions which the Suppliants speake of doe belong only vnto our Church For wee professe that very same doctrin which the Apostles preached vnto the whole world Many Kings great Powers and infinite Wise meÌ„ are professours of our Religion Yea our religion at this instant is much more diffused abroad then Popery is For we see that most kingdomes and countries in Christendome haue shaken of the yoke of Popery yea there is no Province nor Citty in Europe but there are therein very many who are addicted vnto the Gospell of Christ disclaime Popery and professe the same religion that we doe Reason of Religion 33 33. REASON OF RELIGION A ReligioÌ„ that hath alwaies had as the Apostle assureth Gods church should ever haue yeelding also fowre weighty causes of the same a perpetuall visible continuance of knowne a Not Popes Cardinals Pastors and Doctors to the consummation of the Saints the first cause vnto the worke of the ministery the second cause vnto the edifying of the body of Christ the thirde cause that now we be not children wavering and caried about with every winde of doctrine the fourth cause and this vntill wee meete all into the vnity of faith that is to the worlds end Which successiue eveâ—â—ontinuing duration of Pastors and Doctors the same being also promised before to the true Christian Church by severall a Psal 88.31 sequ Esa 59.20 21. Ierem 31.31 sequ Ezech 37.25 Prophets and so greatly materiall in it selfe as without it there can be (b) False See the answere no Church as both b Lib. 4 epist 9. S. Cyprian and c Lib. contr Luciferian S. Hierom doe absolutely affirme hath not nor can bee ever proved to haue beene fulfilled in any other Church saue only in the Catholike Romane Church and in it most apparantly demonstrable by the Ecclesiasticall histories of all ages and by the shorte space or rather momentary blast of time that al other Religions compared with ours haue indured Resolution of the 33. Reason Popish Religion hath alwaies had a perpetuall visible continuance of knowne Pastours and Doctors
seizeth vpon heaven and placeth therein such as haue committed fornication with her And therefore it is the religion of Antichrist Thy friends ô God are very much honoured of me Likewise that saying of Ecclesiasticus fulfilled * Nations shall declare his wisdome the church speake forth his praise and also the rites of friendship true loue observed which is to loue our friends frind for our friends sake and incomparably more the Saints of God for their and our loue towards God a Psalm 138.17 * Cap. 39.14 Resolution of the 16. Reason Popish religion only hath canonized her Professours for Saints after death and celebrateth their annuall memories Ergo. What Popish religion is Antichristianisme ANSWERE 1 I grant the whole 2 Blasphemous wretches Is it not inough more then inough that miserable Papistes with intolerable boldnes arrogate vnto themselves the name of Catholiks al the prerogatiues priviledges of Christs Church in earth but with sacrilegious impiety they will needs lay violent hands and seize vpon heaveÌ„ the throne of GOD the kingdome of the SAINTS blasphemously challenge the same for their Professours who it is most certaine are cast downe head-long into the pitte of hell 3 Iudge not Christian Reader that I pronouÌ„ce this sentence vnadvisedly rashly or vncharitably * Note well Never any Man DYING a PAPISTE enioyed heaven or escaped hel I have the word of GOD for my warrant herein which must iudge both thee and me Read Apocalyps 14. vers 9.10 11. the Text is pregnaÌ„t plaine This point I haue handled at large in my booke De Ecclesia Antichristi 4 Holy Sainte LVTHER saith Papa muleâ—s in sanctorum Catalogum refert qui taima detrusi sunt tartara loanneÌ„ HussuÌ„ damnatum Satanae tradidit quem coeli beatum esse incolam nemo dubit averit nisi qui Christum veracem esse negaverit Absit ô Papa me tibi SanctuÌ„ indicari te Satanae Sanctum esse faecilè patior Luth. in Colloq de Ioanne Huss Reason of Religion 17 17. REASON OF RELIGION A religion whose refuse and revolted Priestes are deemed lawful and a Manifest vntruth â—ufficieÌ„tâ—y ordered to preach the word of God to minister Sacraments to exercise all spirituall iurisdiction in the Protestant Puâ—â—ane Congregation A proofe which seemeth vnanswerable that b They argue ex non concessis our Church is the true Church for were her doctrine false she teaching in many points as shee doth it must needes follow that she is c This we grant the synagogue if not the arch-synagogue of SathaÌ„ consequeÌ„tly he hath not can possibly haue God the divell being so contrary d Popish Priests are no lawfull Ministers in the true church auctority to initiate make lawfull compleate Ministers for exercising spirituall faculties in the true Church Neither is the Protestant Minister or Bishop comming to our Catholike fraternity as many come of the first sorte reputed other then for meere e Certainely hee that denieth falleth away fro the faith of Iesus Christ is vâ—worthie to bee a Minister of his Gospell lay-meÌ„ without orders Resolution of the 17. Reason Popish religion is that whose refuse and revolted Priestes are deemed lawfull sufficiently ordeined to preach the vvord of GOD to minister the Sacraments and to exercise all spirituall iurisdiction the Protestant Congregation Ergo. Popish religion is vndoubtedly true religion and consequently to be tolerated ANSWERE I To the Antecedent 1 WE hould Popish Priests accursed because their Priest-hood is not of GOD. But if in obedience to the divine coÌ„mandement Apoc. 18.4 they come out of Babylon forsake Antichrist renouÌ„ce their errours ioyne theÌ„selves vnto the true Church of Christ if theÌ„ they have sufficient giftes are willing to exercise that function or if otherwise the Church hath neede of their helpe that way they may ought to be received as Ministers of Iesus Christ 2 Neither is it any greasing or shaving which they received in the Popish synagogue that makes them to be Ministers in deede the Popish ordination being nothing else but meere prophanation but they having fit gifts and other necessarie circumstances concurring their being acknowledged to be true Pastours and Ministers by the whole Church the Magistrate and People 3 There is no true Ecclesiastical vocation in the Papacy because they have remaining in their Church no appearance of such things as by the word of GOD are required for the constitution of a lawfull vocation They have no Election no examination of doctrine no approbation of manners nor consent of the Church But let vs examine their owne Canons 4 If they which come vnto their Bishoprikes either by money or by the favour of Princes be not Bishops indeed and have no right of instituting other Bishops or ordaining Priestes as the ancient Canons expresly testifie Can. Apost 29. 30. CoÌ„cil Chalcedon Can. 2. If a Bishop cannot be elected but by a Synode and if the election of him that is otherwise elected be meerely voide no election at all as was decreed in the Councell of Antioch If they who sell or buy their Orders bee no Priestes as the Councel of Basil concluded theÌ„ what one Bishop or Priest is there in the Popish Church that hath a lawfull calling 5 Briefly in few wordes Popish PRIESTES Note well are no more the Ministers of the Gospell of Iesus Christ then were the Priestes of Bacchus or any other idolatrous Sacrificer among the heathen Gentiles II To the Consequence 1 The Consequence hath no coherence with the Antecedent for it doth not follow that because Popish Priestes acknowledging their heresie and confessing the Gospell of Iesus Christ being every way fit for the Ministrie by the approbatioÌ„ of whoÌ„ it appertaineth vnto are received as Ministers amongst vs therfore Popery is true religioÌ„ seeing they presume to do nothing by that auctoritie whereby they were ordained in Popery but for all their orders take themselues for meere lay-men 2 The Argument is thus rather concluded Popishe Priestes being in themselues execrable if they renounce Antichrist and turne vnto the Lord by the approbation of the church are lawfull Ministers of the Gospell Ergo Popish religion which ordained such Priests is execrable and the religion of Protestants whereof after their conversion they are lawful Ministers is the true religion and faith of Iesus Christ Reason of Religion 18 18. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion to whose antiquity and veritie of most part of her doctrine controversed the fashion of every Church Chappell and Chancell the records of every Hospitall Colledge and Popish Religion is no ancienter then the Abbres Cloisters of Friers and Nunnes Anbey decared yea every ancient sepulched church-window graue-stone do bring giue apparant evidence as thing al wearing her badges and contestoying her elder childrens faith devotion and piety Resolution of the 18. Reason Popish Religion is that to whose antiquity and
all are bound vnto that beleeue the verity of the Catholike Religion and purpose stilâ— to keepe themselues her children because the vnity consisteth in the a Aug. de doctr Christian. li. 3. cap. 6. epist 118. cap. 1. Basil in exhort ad baptism connexioÌ„ of the members togither by an external reuerence and vse of the same seruice and sacraments and is broken by having communion in either with any other contrary religion And it is an axiâ—me among all Divines that b Aug. de vnit Eccl. cont Petil. ep cap 2. cont lit Pet. l 2. c 38 in Evangel Ioan. tract 118 in ser sap gest cum Emerito vltramed epist. 152. Cypr de Simplie Praelatorum extra ecclesiam non est saâ—us there is no hope of salvation but of the Church To which Laâ—tantius most plainely subscribeth saying c Lib. 4. ca. vlt. divi Instit Sola ecclesia catholica est templum dei quo si quis non intraverit vel à que si quis exierit à spe vitae ac salutis aeternae alienus est The Catholike Church is only the temple of God into which if any shall not enter or out of which if any shall depart hee is an alien from hope of life and eternall salvation Neither doth the Apostle affirme lesse in sense where he saith that d Ephes 5.23 Christ is the Saviour of his body that e Ephes 1.23 Ephes 4.5 Cantic 6.8 the Church is his body Nor is it possible to be conceiued in any vnderstanding that two such repugnant and contradictory manners of seruing God there beeing but one Lord one truth one faith one Church as the Catholike and Protestante obserue in their Churches can be both good or not one of them very vngodly and in no case to be communicated with vnder paine of eternall damnation By the little which is saide your princely Wisedome may easily perceiue that cur abstaining from Church is in vs g Most false Rom 14.14 23. Chrysost hom 26. in ep ad Rom. est sententia coÌ„munis omniuÌ„ Theolog. in 2 Dist 30. D. Tho. 1.2 qu 10 art 5. no formall act of disobedience much lesse of selfe-wilfulnesse or contempt of your Maiesties laws aspersioÌ„s with which many would distaine our refusal but a true reall obligation of meere conscience especially for so long as we hold the inward perswasion we do in respect an erroneous conscience bindeth as strongly and vnder equall paine as doth the conscience that is best and most rightly informed To draw to an h Jâ— is full time I thinke they haue babbled long enough end we most submissiuely beseech your Maiestie to conceaue no otherwise of vs then of your most dutiful and loyal vassals acknowledging in i Nothing but so yet not so neither Reade Bozius his book de Temporali Eccl Monarc all politike and civil affaires no other Superior theÌ„ the sacred authority of your Highnes resting ever most ready to accomplish al your commaÌ„dements touching the same were our liues never so certainly engaged in the executioÌ„ Only requesting that in matters of soule conscience we may haue leaue to distinguish an eternal Lord for a temporal Lord to preferre our k They cal dark nesse light obedience to the one before our obedience to the other if obedience to Princes against God may be tearmed obedience not rather irreligious pusillanimity And as wee haue presumed moâ—â— precious Soveraigne vpon confidence of your true royal dispositioÌ„ benignity to make known to your Princely consideration wisdome our gr efes our hopes the favor connivence we desire togither with some few reasons aswel of state as of religioÌ„ for shewing the coÌ„cordance that our request hath with the good of state also the grounds of our perswasion in conscience why the religioÌ„ we beleeue in is true So do we carry a most tender regard of yeelding all satisfaction to your Maiestie and to all other in authority yea even to those who stande most iealously conceited of the true affection loyalty of Priests the Pastours of our soules towards your Highnesse person Crowne the weale of the Realme In whose behalfe we l These men wil prescribe the King what to doe doe therefore confidently and most assuredly vndertake that they all shall willingly readyly take their m But cannot the Pope dispense with these at his pleasure corporall oaths for continuing their true alleageance to your Maiestle and the State or in case that bee not thought aslurance enough they shall giue in sufficient suerties n AvaÌ„t knaues what are one or two treacherous Papists sufficient hostages for the securitie of of a Prince safety of a realme one or moe who shall stand bound life for life â—or the performance of the said alleageance and of their fidelity and faithfulnes in the premisses Yea they most voluntaâ—ily offer yet further that it so any of their number be not able to put in such securitie for their loyall cariages that then they will all ioine in one supplication to the Pope for recalling such o His Maiestie needeth not the Popes helpe for effecting this businesse priests out the Land whosoever they be or how many soever We feare to be tedious and therfore we wil shut vp all in few words Our hearts our soules and both with deepest cries doe most humbly alike instantly beseech your most excellent Maiestie to take pitie of our afflictions to compassionate our sufferings and to relieue our long indured pressures either by licensing the free vse of our Catholike Religion or if we may not be so happy yet at least by graunting a publike Disputation to the end we may be heard our cause tryed our teachers receiue confutation and the deserved shame of their salfe doctrine if in case they haue misled vs. A favour which the adversaries of our Religion haue obtained in other Countries and which our Country-oppositors seeme in their bookes to be very desirous of and is also of it selfe of all other meanes the most potent to reunite all parties in one the deceived being hereby let to see their errors So that by the grant here of no doubt your Maiestie shall get eternall praise over the Christian world the Protestant Religion everlasting fame if shee prevaile the neighbour Countries great edification the waverers and such as are doubtfull in faith a stay and worthy satisfaction as none greater al posterity a right noble example and president to follow And we your Maiesties loyall subiects must and shall alwaies as our bounden duety exacteth rest through the delivery out of the blindnes if so wee liue in blindnes for ever most strictly oblieged to pray incessantly for your Highnes long life and prosperous Raigne over all your Dominions with multiplication of immortall renowne in this world and of endles ioies in the next God saue the King
A CONSIDERATION OF the Papists Reasons of State and Religion for toleration of Poperie in England INTIMATED IN THEIR Supplication vnto the Kings Maiestie the States of the Present Parliament Mich. 7.10 Shee that is mine enemie shall looke vpon it and shame shall cover her which said vnto me VVhere is the Lord thy GOD Mine eies shall beholde her now shall shee bee TRODEN DOVVNE as the mire in the streetes AT OXFORD Printed by JOSEPH BARNES and are to bee sold in Paules Church-yarde at the signe of the Crowne by Simon VVaterson 1604. To the Christian Reader AS I haue professed heeretofore in my Treatise against the Papists first Petition so heere again I protest that this fourth Supplication beeing directed vnto his Maiestie I haue not presumed to Answer any thing at all thervnto because I know his Highnes Christian heroicall Spirit is only worthy to giue Answer in this case Notwithstanding seeing the impudencie of the Petitioners is so intolerable that in so flourishing an age vnto so learned a Prince they dare exhibite their idle fancies and vaine toies being vtterly devoide of better Arguments which they haue scraped out of the often-refuted writings of their owne Sophisters and couched togither without forme or methode I haue bin once againe imboldened to consider of their Reasons which I hope I haue proved in sufficient to force such a CoÌ„clusion as should bee the overthrowe of our Christian Church and State of the Gospell his excellent Maiestie I confesse my paines heerein might well haue bin spared and indeed had I known so much in time I would not haue made this parénthesis in my Studies considering that a thrice-learned reverend Father of our Church M. Doctor Sutcliffe the worthy Deane of Exceter hath even already as the report goeth although I haue not yet seene his Booke amated these importunate shamelesse Petitioners made them as mute as a fish not daring to exspect any other ANSVVERE in reason at his Maiesties handes but Le Roy ne le veu't pas yet forasmuch as diverse books being written in diverse methods of the same argument or subiect are not vnprofitable I haue bin bold not to suppresse what I had done already committing the suâ—cesse vnto Almightie GOD and my selfe herein vnto the Censure of the learned who I presume can not but iudge Christianly and charitably of my good meaning and endevour to promote the common cause against the common adversarie Farewell Oxford from St. Marie Hall 13. of Aprill 1604. Thine ever in the Lord Gabriel Powel THE PAPISTES SVPPLIcation vnto the Kings most excellent Maiestie c. Most high and mightie Prince and our deerestly beloued Soveraigne a How can Papists without blushing acknowledge his Maiesties title vnto the Crown of England to be DIRECT seing they haue heretofore by tooth naile most indirectly moâ—t vniustly oppugned the same Which traiterous Parsons confesseth albe it for excuse he assureth himselfe that whatsoever hath bin said writen or done by any Catholike against his Maiesty which with some others mâ—ght breede disgust hath beene directed to the end for sooth to make his Maiestie nrst a Cathoâ—ike and then our King as if treason â—â—â—ed treacherie against his Highnesse could make him a Catholike or the denying and impugning of his direct and iust title tended to make him our King Rob. Pars in his Treat of three Convers in the Dedicat. Addition to the Catholikes SO many causes concurre wheresoever we turne our thoughts and these most great of reioycing as we know not with which wee should begin the count nor on which to ground our chiefest ioy Your Maiesties direct tide to the Imperiall Crowne of the Reasme both by lineall descent and prioritie of blood your Highnesse most quiet accesse to the same Gods onâ—y worke aboue the expectation of man do as by most right they should exceedingly pâ—ssesse and englad our harts Also the thrice fortunate vniting of the two Kingdomes which not seldome in former times haue bin much infestuous one to the other and this after so sweete a meane as by rightful deuolution of both Scepters to the immediate issue of either Nation cannot but in semblable proportion multiplie and advaunce our ioyes nor can we any way doubt but that thest egth of the Monarchy now in de inuincible by the vnion will ever be most able to preserue these our ioyes vnto vs and make them perpeâ—ual either kingdome being such a fortres and countermure to other and both so abounding with men and shipping as no forraine enemie howe potent soever vnlesse he fiâ—st be wearie of his owne forâ—unes dare ever adventure to offend or picke quarrell vnto Likewise the hope and strongest affiance which your Maiesties raigne over both nations yeelds of reducing the bordurers of either Countrey to Christian order of turning to coÌ„moditie the vast quantity of ground which by reason of the sauage demeanor among them hath time out of mind layne wast and vnoccupied and of enioying peace commerce and trafficke with all Nations a blessing most soveraigne and which alreadie is lighted on vs in good measure Then the vnspeakeable benefite of your Highnesse fitte yeeres to governe and your long successefull experience in the affaire being the Arte of Artes office of God farre more intricate dâ—fficult and combersome then anie other kinde of ministration or state of life on earth Then also the speciall consolation which all men take in your Maiesties regatdfull loue toward the Nobilitie of the Realme as hauing alreadie restored some to their lost dignities and endowed others with honor and authoritie in State Lastlie to omit other infinit particulars of lesse moment the good triall of your Highnesse prowesse wisedome iudgment clemencie bountie compassion the edification of your exemplar life of like force to your subiects for fashioning their manners therevnto as were the twigges of partie colour which the Patriarch Jacob laid before the flocke of sheepe he had in keeping at the time of their conceiving the noblest disposition of our yong Prince and his brother the rare vertues of their Queene-mother our most respected Princesse and the hope of such store of children from both your bodies as may to the worlds end most renowmedlie spread and perpetuate the roiall coniunction name familie We saie all these and other like gracious respects doe so aboundantlie replenish our harts w th ioy as no temporall thing can more in the world And to the end these our ioyes may ever inhabite in our soules prosperoulsly without change or diminution we your Maiesties reuereÌ„tly affectionate subiectes doe prostrately beseech your most Princely consideration to commiserate our b Causelesse coÌ„plaints not of persecution for Religion but of Christian Justice for treasoÌ„ grieuous long indured pressures for confessing the Catholike Romane faith the c Popish Religion is the high and brode way to destruction which we have elsewhere proved as large all onely meane as we
vndoubtedly beleeue of saving our liues eternally We doe not presume our dread Soueraigne to begge the allowance of some fewe Churches for the exercise of our Religion nor yet the allotting of any Ecclesiasticall liuing towards the maintenance of the Pastors of our Soules a benefite that is not denied by the Princes State politique of d Toleration is graunted in other Countries of necessitie and disability of the Papistâ— part to expugne and ruine the Protestants other Countries where diversity of religion is tolerated and infinite e If toleration brings with it such infinite good wherefore doe not the Papists perswade the Pope and all Popish Princes to embrace the saâ—e good found to arise therof but the only degree of favour that wee seeke at your Maiesties handes in thâ—s case is that out of your Princely compassion you would be pleased to f An vnreasonable request as may appeare manifestly in the sequele reverse the penall lawes enacted by our late Soueraigne against Catholike beleeuers and to license the practise of our Religion in private houses without molestation to Priest or lay Person for the same For this most gracious Prince we intreat for this we shall ever continue our humble petitions and the suite being as our faith assureth vs for the not abolishing of g Antichristian Religion every true Christian knoweth is neither the Cause nor honor of GOD but extreame dishonor and blasphemy againest God Gods noblest cause and honor vpon earth and no waies against the h Popery is most pernicious vnto the peace strength and safetie of the kingdome as appeareth in the Answere vnto the Reasons of State peace strength or safetie of the Kingdome but rather much conuenient it haply not necessary for the good preseruation thereof and also for that the obtaining of the suite would bring vnspeakeable renowme to your Maiestie with all the chiefest Rulers of the Christian world and endlesse comforte to thousands who otherwaies living against their conscience must needes abide in continuall horrour of Soule wee cannot thinke it a breach of dutie and lesse thinke it a pointe of disloyaltie ever lowly to solicite yea petitionarily to importune your Maiestie for the happie graunt of so manifold farre-spreading and vniversall a blessednesse And because wee would not be thought to speake vnadvisedly in the premisses we crave leave of your gracious Maiestie to adioyne a few briefe reasons for remonstrance of that which is said ANSVVERE TO speake nothing of this exceeding ioy wherewith the Papistes pretend they are affected by his Highnesse most quiet accesse into the kingdome although wise men may well suspect their affection herein to be rather in shew then in deed and truth and my selfe can testifie that here in Oxford at what time his Maiesty was proclaimed King of England c. A man might easily haue traced culled out every Papist within this City if the rest were so affected as those whom I haue either seene or heard of by his extraordinary and vnmeasurable yelling howling sobbing for griefe that their long * Weston de trip Hom. Offic. lib. 3 cap. 8. pag. 122. lin penalt expected day was not yet come that their hopes were frustrated and their exspectational in vaine some of the simpler sort crying out in expresse tearmes Alas alas how shall the poore Cathôlikes do now we are all vndone we are vndone whereas al his Maiesties liege Subiects by manyfold tokens declared their extraordinary reioycing To speake nothing I say hereof I will come to the maine Proposition of the Supplication which is That his Maiestie would be pleased to reverse the penall lawes enacted by our late Soveraigne against Papisticall beleevers and to license the practise of their Religion in private houses without molestation to Priest or lay Person for the same And because the Papists would not be thought to craue any thing vnadvisedly the adioyne their reasons for remonstrance of what they desire The Papists Reasons for toleration of their Religion THe Reasons which the Papists alleadge for toleration of their Religion in England are of two sortes Reasons of State and Reasons of Religion But how forcible these are for their purpose the sequele will declare vnto the indifferent Reader First therefore let vs heare their Reasons of State Reason of State I 1. REASON OF STATE THe world knoweth that there are three kinds of subiects in the Realme a A malicious calumniation of our Christian state the Protestant the Puritane the b Note the Petitioners policie in this tearme they say not Catholikes but Catholikly affected to the inâ—ent that to make their partie the stronger they might challendge vpon exception all such as be not zealous Protestant children neutrals such as be ready to embrace any ReligioÌ„ these the Petitioners tearme Catholikly affected Catholikely affected and by general report the subiect Catholikely affected is not inferior to the ProtestaÌ„t of Puritane either in c If you mâ—ane plainly Papists the world knoweth that in comparison of the Protestants they are but as it were a handfull of theeues amoÌ„gst honest subiects howsoever you are bold to bragge that at this present there are within the Realme more Catho ikes and Catholike Priestes theÌ„ there were forty yeeres since Matth. Kellison in his Survey in the Epist Dedic almost at the latter end number or alliaÌ„ce or generosity of spitite and resolution Which multitude or thirde kinde of subiects would through the benefite ot the dispenall vse or toleration of their religion holde themselues infinitely obliged to your Maiâ—stie and be ready in all occurrences very willingly to sacrifice their liues and last drop of blood in any service soeuer belonging to the defence of your Maiesties person crowne or dignitie whereas being debarred of the saide fauor and freedome of conscience in which consisteth the true comfort of soule and all Christian courage they must be forcibly driveÌ„ to d These be faire shews but their third Petition even in the very beginning by the example of the Jsraelites Petition vnto Rehoboam and the effect thereof which they alleadge declareth what loyall harts the Papists beare vnto his Maiesty in case of deniall of their request But his Highnesse is wise enough God be praised ti prevent such revoults lament their hard fortunes to lie groaning vnder their crosses and consequently without spirite or forwardnesse in action vnapt for any imployment as persons overwhelmed with griefe and desolation of their most piteous miserable state Resolution of the 1. Reason The Papistes through the benefite of the dispenall vse or toleration of their religion would holde themselues infinitely obliged vnto his Maiestie and be readie in all occurrences verie willingly to sacrifice their lives and last drop of blood in any service soever belonging to the defence of his Maiesties Person Crowne or dignity Ergo. Toleration of their religion is to be graunted vnto them ANSWERE THIS reason the Papistes haue vrged heretofore
their Emperour Basilius Macedo sent vnto theÌ„ to teach them the Christian Catholike faith by what powerfull and divine signe he would witnesse the truth of his doctrine The signe was that if the booke wherin the said doctrine was written should not burne being cast into the fire then they al with one accord would presently beleeue and receiue his doctrine A great fire was made the Priest putting the book which was the holy Bible into the midst therof said with a lowd voice Glorifica nomen tuum Christe Deus Christ our God glorifie thy holy name The flames gaue place to the booke and the booke lay so long in the fire as the people themselues thought meete and when it was taken out it appeared sound whole no one leafe either scorched or blemished In the tenth age the Polonians by l Cromerus alij de reb PolonoruÌ„ 965. Aegidius Tuseulanus f Adamus l 2. c 78.10.11 Ditmarus chron lib. 2.971 and others sent by Pope John the 13. The Selavonians by g A.D. 989 h Cartuitias in vita Steph. Hungar. reg c. 1.2 3. Aeneas Sylvius Hist Bohem. cap l 16. S. Adelbert and the Hungarians by i Aenâ—as Sylvius another Adelbert surnamed their Apostle In the eleventh age the k A. D. 1106. Bozius lib 4 cap. 5. Vindians and multitudes of Prussians be side the reclaiming of the lapsed l Circiter A D. 1150. Ranulph l. 4 c. 22 Hungarians In the twelfth age the Pomeranians the Norvegians by Nicholas an English Moncke employed in that holy worke by Pope Eugenius the third The which Nicholas was afterward chosen Pope of Rome and named Hadrian the south and gaue the dominion of Ireland to King Henâ—â— 2 wiâ—h coâ—drioÌ„ of propagating the Christian faith there Stowin anno 7. Henrici 2. of preserving the rights of the Church entire and inviolated and of paying a yeerely pension of a penny for every house in the Kingdome In the 13. age the a Anno Dom. 12 5. Liâ—onians by b Cranâ—zius lib 7 cap. 13. 〈◊〉 Medardes the c Anno Dom. 1230. Lâ—tuanians by d Martinus Chromer lib. 8. the knightes of S. Marie the e Anno Dom. 1270. Sabellicus Guilielmus de Nangiaco Emperour Cassanes with it numerable Tarâ—arians In the fouretenth age f Anno Dom. 1300. Niceph. Gregor Histor lib. 4. Azatines Emperour of the Turkes the Isles of the Canaries the g An. Dom. 1344 Bâ—zius lib 4 cap. 5. revolted Lituanians the h Anno Dom 1346 Sebastianus Munsterus in Cosmograph Cumans the Bosnians the Lipnensians the Patrianians other Sclavonian nations by â—ope Clement the 6. and Leves king of Hungary In the sifteenth age the i Anno Dom 1350 Michael Rit lib. 2. Bonfin deca 2. lib. 10. Same getians the kingdomes of Bentonine Guinea Angola and k Anno Dom. 14â—2 Martin Chrom li 18. Congo In the sixteenth last age to speake ingenerall without descending to any particulars more provinces Nations and numbers of rich Kingdomes and Empires were brought to the knowledge of Christ embracing the Catholike Romane faâ—th by the labors of the g Iudas and other reprobates may preach the Gospel yea worke miracles in Christs name Mat. 7.22 Dominican and Franciscan Friers and the Fathers of the societâ—e of Iesus God attesting his cause truth by several miracles then all Christendome twice yea perhaps more then thrice told contained before which beside the record of all Cosmographies and Histories of this subiect may plainly be demonstrated in that before the last Centenarie or not many yeeres different the Christian Religion extended not it selfe beyond the river Ganges Eastward and the Isles of the Canaries in the West which scope and space is counted no more then of an hundred twenty degrees but the circuite of the world which is now sailed every or most where portes of Christians found therin is of three hundred and three score degrees whâ—ch is full out thrice as much The fewe precedents most renowned Prince collected out of many that might be added do very cleerely shew not only that the aboue rehearsed end other prophecies promises of God of dilating the place of his Tentes and of spreading out the curtaines of his Tabernacle Esa 54.2 that is the boundes of his Church Christs Spouse and tempora Kingdome are to the eâ—e fulfilled in the encreasing societies and continuance of h Begging of the question our religion but that also the Word of wisedome and the Word of knowledge graces given by the tâ—stâ—monies of saint Paule 1 Cor. 12 8. in the Church by the holy Ghost to the profit of others haue their residences in the l Proue that teacheâ—s of â—ur religion and â—hat in how eminent and most powerfull manâ—â—er the conversion of the former Nations beareth most apparant witnesse â—or there can be no doubt made but that some if not the most part of the foresaide Nations and sorts of people were of excellent dexterity and iudgment therefore very vnlike that they were ledde away especially from the religion and riâ—es they were bred borne in without store of solide substantiall reasons mouing them therevnto And it is as little questionable whether some of them were not also of a knotty vntractable or vntameable nature of a prowde obstinate and hawty disposition drowned in vncleanes and delighting in the varieties of liberty lets and strongest impeachments of embracing the discipline purenes austerity of our k Popish Antichristian superstition Christian Catholike religioÌ„ and the conquering of them a plaine demonstration that their Coverters all stout professours of the Romane religion taught that doctrine which the Prophet calleth a law converting soules and the Apostle the liuely and forcible word more piercing then anie two edged sword Ps 18.8 Heb. 4.12 Likewise that they fought not with the leather sheath the letter onely of Scripture but with the letter true sense which onely is the Sword of the spirit that reacheth vnto the division of the soule Eph. 6 17 Heb. 4 12. The bright Candel Luk. 11.37 that illuminateth those that sit in darknes Luk. 1.79 And the seede to which God promiseth to giveraine for the rich fructifying thereof Esa 30.23 And finally that they were also true imitators of the Apostles in doctrine and office as becomming Fishers of men Matth 4 16 Mark 1.17 drawing them out of the Sea of infidelity into the harbour of Christianity a badge or attribute giuen to the Apostles and verified in none but in Catholike teachers Neither did theÌ„ nor doth now the word of wisdome knowledge 1 Cor 12 8. a gift proper to Gods Church worke in our Catholike teachers vpon Infidels onely but the same extended and still extendeth his power divine â—fficacie to the bringing forth of as rare or more rare effectes vpon beleeving Christians namely in exciting men and women of
robbe him of the end he suffered for namely to sanctifie and cleanse his Church as S. Paule witnesseth to render is glorious vnto him it were the church being as the same Apostle writeth Christ bodie and the fulnes of him to make Christ a head bodilesse and take as it were his totality or perfection from him it were to divorce our Saviour from his dearely beloved spouse a Ephes 5 29. formed out of his side vpon the crosse and inseperably ioyned in marriage with him it were to bereaue his omnipoteÌ„t Maiestie of b 1. Tim. 315. Colos 1.14 Psal 2.8 his house kingdome lotte and heritage vpon earch for such is his Church vnto him and so called in holy Scripture yea it were directly to charge the Prophets the Apostles and even Christ himselfe either with vntruthes or absurdities The Prophets because these words are reade in c Esa 60.11 Cap 61.8 Esay Thy getes speaking to the future Church of ChristiaÌ„s shall be opeÌ„ continually neither day nor night shall they be shutte the strength of the Gentiles and their Kings may be brought vnto thee And in another place I the Lord will make an everlasting covenant with them and their seede shall be knowne among the Gentiles and their braunches in the widst of people All that see them shall knows them that they are seede which our Lorde hath blessed What could be plainer spoken for proofe either of the f This is not proved from thence the perpetuitis wee graunt visibility or perpetuitie of Christs Church her gates saith he shall be open coÌ„tinually shut neither by day nor night and that God hath made and everlasting covenant with her and that g But he saith not All shall see all that see her children shall know theÌ„ know that our Lord hath blessed them The Apostle because S. Paule writing to d 1. Tim. 3.15 Timothie teacheth him how he ought to coÌ„verse in the house of God so terming the church of God now if the church were invisible the instruction must needes be vaine and absurde for none can converse in an h Neither do we say that the Church is alwaies invisible invisible house Again e Acts 20.28 Matth. 28.20 S. Luke writeth that the holy Ghost placed Bishops in the church of God to rule the same but who can rule a flocke that is either invisible or vnknowne Christ himselfe because he promised his Apostles to remaine with them all daies to the consummation of the world Which promise being made to the Apostles was made to a visible Church and for that they were not being mortall to live to the worldes ende the promise was vndoubtedly made to them and their Successors in their persons and i A plaine inconsequence therefore the Church neither ever to cease or become invisible Neither can the reasons and places precedent be avoided by the ignorant distinction of a invisible and invisible Church vnderstanding by the latter the hid and vnknowne congregation of the Predestinate because the Church being a society of men as all writers affirme and every society requiring of necessity some visible signe badge ceremony bond rite profession inrollemeÌ„â— or some other like marke wherby the members of the same may be knowne one to the other and also from others which essential point failing in the company of the predestinat they can no way possible make vp the k False Contra Faust lib. 19. cap. 11. realtye name or nature of a Church For as S. Austen truely writech In nullum nomen religionis sen ve rum sâ—u falsum coagulari homines posiuns nisi aliquo signaculos um vel Sacramentorum visibilium consortio colligentur Men cannot be incorporate in any one name of Religion either false or trueâ— vnlefle they be combined togither by some communitie or participation of visible seales or Sacramentes Againe this hid and vnknowne predestinate company which must be thought to constitute an invisible Church do l A foolish Dilemma see the Answere either refuse or not refuse to communicate with the false and adulterous church in Ecclesiasticall subiection service sacraments and externall worship if they do refuse then is their company and Church not invisible but most visible markable on the other side if they do not refuse then sith the false Church is by testimony of the holy Ghost †Apoc. 2.9 the Synagogne of Satan her doctrine b 1. Tim. 4.1 the doctrine of Diuels they must needs be guitly of damnable sin by such their partaking with her And therefore their company not Gods Church because that multitude cannot possibly be Gods Church wherein there are none c Ephes 5 27. Aug. contr Donatist post Col. cap. 20. de doctr Christi l. 3 c. 34. Retract li. 2. c. 18. epist 48. ad Vincentiâ—â—â— good but all wicked dissemblers cloâ—ers of their faith With the hart d Rom. 10.10 saith S. Paul we beleeue vnto iustice but with the mouth vnderstanding thereby all externall actions confession is made to salvation And the same Apostle biddeth all men e Rom. 16.17 Tit. 3.10 to avoide false teachers and f 2. Cor. 6.17 separate themselues from them yea g Ioh. 10.5 not to follow them but to flee from them is a marke which cur Saviour himselfe giueth of distinguishing his true sheepe from others We would say by that is said that perpetuall visiblenesse being an m Begging of the question essentiall quality note of Gods church and ever really existing with vs and in our Religion as all sorts of testimonies in the world doe witnesse and in no other company or congregation soeuer it followeth that n Impudent Beggers our Church is the sole true church and spouse of Christ Resolution of the 31. Reason Popish Religion is that whose professant company or congregation hath bin evermore since the first planting therof very visible perspicuous Ergo Popish religion is true religion and so to be tolerated ANSWERE To the Antecedent 1 I grant that from the yeere of Christ 605 when the dispersed points of Popery began to be established in the Primacy granted by Phocas vnto Boniface III. the professsant company thereof hath bin very visible and perspicuous 2 But it was not so from the beginning As the light in the first day was carryed vp and downe without any guid Gen. 1. and at length governed by the Sunne which God created for that purpose So the mystery of Popery at the first in the time of the Primitiue Church was stayed in no certaine subiect but wandred invisibly in the divers passages of running wits till at last it was setled in the See of Rome in the person of Boniface III. and his successors II To the Consequence 1 Popery is not therfore true Religion because from the first planting therof by the Divell the professors of it haue bin visible because visibility in that sense is
all faithfull Catholikes in EnglaÌ„d in Saxonie are to be excused who doe not exempt themselues from the power of their Superiours nor wage warre against them for commoÌ„ly they have not wealth strength inough to warre against their Princes they are in great danger So saith Dominicus Bannes in 2.2 Tho. q. 12. a. 2. col 479. A. B.C. edit Lugdun 1588. Martinus Ledesmius in 2.4 Tho. q. 15 a. 5. fol. 120. col 4. is of the same iudgment 7 FINALLY their Canonists decree ratifie the same Conclusions Gregorie VII saith We keeping the statuts of our holy predecessours by our Apostolicall auctoritie do absolve froÌ„ their oath alleageance such as are so bouÌ„d vnto them that be excommunicated we forbid them by all meanes that they observe no faithfulnes nor obedience vnto them vntill such come to make satisfaction Caus 15. q. 6. c. Nos SanctoruÌ„ Iac. Simancha writeth For the Kings heresie not onely the KING himselfe is deprived of his kingdome but also HIS * Note still SONNES caÌ„not succeed after him Iac. Sim. lib. de Catholic Institut Tom. 11. tract Illustr in vtraquex Iuris facultate IurisconsultoruÌ„ part 2. tit 9. f. 132. nu 259. The same Position houldeth Ioannes Lupus Deture Navarra par 1. § 7. Also Antonius Corsetus saith A ChristiaÌ„ King becomming an Heretike looseth his Kingdom which is given vnto * Good again a Catholike possessour Cors de Pot. Reg par 5. nu 6. See Bald. in l. 1. in 13. Col. in repe C. de emaÌ„ci libe Notat in C. 1. de praescr 8 Note I beseech you in the bowels of our Saviour Christ Iesus marke I say you illustrious thrice renowmed Kings whose eies harts GOD hath opened to behold his truth and vnfeignedly to embrace the Gospell of his Sonne this is the king-quelling doctrine of Popety this al their writers teach professing that all their Divines hould so that al true Catholikes beleeve so and calling them Heretiques that doubt of it Behould Popish religion armed to cut your throates And that you haue beene hitherto safely protected it was no through the innocency of Popery or defect of Papists malice hatred against you as Dominicus BaÌ„nes acknowled â—â—eth poison to stab to murder you through the special blessing and preservation of Almighty GOD who never faileth such as trust in him faithfully call vpon his name 9 But that all men may see the vanitie falshood of this wicked and divellish doctrine of Poperie What can all the Papists in the world or all the Divels in hel say to this that followeth No King by the lawe of Nature or by the law Divine can be deprived of his Kingdome or dominion over his subiects for falling away froÌ„ the faith the reason hereof is plaine because Faith is not the foundatioÌ„ of dominion but some other politique title having force and strength from the law of Nations as the title of hereditarie Succession of Election of Conquest or iust acquisitioÌ„ by lawful warre c. which titles may remaine and stand firme without Faith 10 This I haue argued vpon supposition But our Kings and Princes haue not by the mercies of GOD fallen from the faith they are no heretikes as wee are ready to demonstrate out of the word of GOD against al Papists powers of Satan The Popish Princes are they who fell froÌ„ the faith and worship the Beast and therefore their decrees stand in force against themselves not against vs. II To the Consequence If Popish religion did teach nothing against the lawfull auctoritie of Kinges and Princes yet were it not therefore true religion for it might erre in the foundation of faith against other partes of the Scriptures as it is manifest it doth wherefore it is neither true nor to be tolerated in any Christian societie Nor are these ô most gracious Soveraigne the only respectes that thus embolden vs to become humble suiters at your Hignesse foot for toleration of Catholike religion a Yet more reasons but our manifold b Causelesse complaintes daungers vnder-gone our several losses and indignities sustained and the stoore of Catholike blood that hath bin shed for affecting your mothers Rightes and Title and for seeking how to succour her piteous distresses person the worthiest Queene that many ages enioyed living a long imprisoned Confessour and dying a most glorious Martyr serue also to plead and cry to your Maiestie for commiseration of our case grant of the Petition we make And as our true loue zeale and tribute of service did not then dilate and extend it selfe on y towards your Highnes deare mother but in throuâ—h her reached also to c Sore against the Papists wils your sacred Maiesty so since the time of her happy Crowne of Martyrdome our wishes indevours actions haue ever levelled as much as lay in our power to the most advauncing of your d Proue that Parsons denyeth it Maiesties Title Yea the pressures and afflictions lâ—aded on vs for this cause were in a sâ—rt comfortable or not discomfortable vnto vs in hâ—pe of the relaxation and ease we assuredly expected by your Highnesse actuall arrivall to the Crowne So that now if your excellent Maiestie may not bee mooued to permit the free exercise of the Catholike Religion Oh our hopes fedde on are not only frustrate and our long expectations vaine but our temporall lots by reestablishing of penal laws against vs become more abiect servile desperate and forlâ—rne then euer before Puritanisme differing from ProtestaÌ„cy in e Mere slanders and impudent calumniations 32 articles of doctrine as their owne bookes and writings doe witnesse looketh vp spreadeth is neither suppressed with penalties nor oppressed with indignities but her professourâ— receiue grace and holde high auctority in the government only the Catholike Religion whose professours suffred most for your good Mothers sake and euer least offended your Maiestie is despised troden vnder foote maligned punished and must bee alas by all violence f Amen abolished without regard of her venerable antiquâ—ty or respect of the large dominions shee other-where hath to her dowery or of the innumerable conquests shee hath made ouer all other Sects froÌ„ Christs time hitherto or of the multitude and impregnablenesse of her proofes which her professors are ready yea presse and doe most earnestly long to bring in publike Dispute for testimonie of the doctrine shee teachâ—th And that which moueth not the least admiration here in is for that neither the inward beleefe of the Catholike Romane faith nor the outward profession or defence thereof in words seeme to bee the transgressions which are so sharpely animadverted but rather the only fault which is punished and neuer sufficiently as some thinke punished in vs is the vndissembled profession of our inwarde faith in refusing to go to the Protestant Church A necessity which vnder guilte of dead y sin breach of our Churches vnity