Selected quad for the lemma: faith_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
faith_n	catholic_a	church_n	creed_n	4,857	5	10.9440	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A70690	Observations on the four letters of Dr. John Wallis concerning the Trinity and the Creed of Athanasius	Nye, Stephen, 1648?-1719.	1691 (1691)	Wing N1508A; ESTC R41199	24,893	22

do_v think_v this_o be_v a_o harsh_a way_n of_o speak_v yet_o for_o peace_n sake_n they_o will_v admit_v this_o explication_n the_o doctor_n be_v explication_n of_o the_o athanasian_n creed_n consider_v it_o be_v with_o great_a expectation_n that_o i_o begin_v to_o read_v dr._n wallis_n his_o three_o letter_n because_o it_o bear_v this_o ambitious_a front_n a_o explication_n and_o vindication_n of_o the_o athanasian_n creed_n i_o suppose_v he_o will_v attempt_v to_o assoil_v all_o the_o difficulty_n and_o contradiction_n object_v to_o it_o at_o least_o those_o in_o the_o brief_a note_n on_o that_o creed_n but_o he_o mean_v no_o more_o by_o this_o title_n but_o this_o a_o explication_n of_o the_o damnatory_a clause_n in_o the_o athanasian_n creed_n this_o be_v to_o i_o a_o wonderful_a disappointment_n however_o i_o will_v be_v content_a to_o consider_v what_o dr._n wallis_n think_v worthy_a to_o offer_v he_o say_v lett._n 3_o pag._n 4._o whosoever_o will_v be_v save_v before_o all_o thing_n it_o be_v necessary_a that_o he_o hold_v the_o catholic_n faith_n where_o say_v the_o doctor_n before_o all_o thing_n be_v as_o much_o as_o imprimis_fw-la import_v that_o it_o be_v main_o necessary_a or_o be_v a_o principal_a requisite_a be_v there_o ever_o a_o great_a force_n put_v upon_o word_n it_o be_v before_o all_o thing_n necessary_a say_v the_o creed_n that_o s_o say_v the_o gloss_n it_o be_v a_o principal_a requisite_a i_o always_o think_v there_o have_v be_v a_o immense_a difference_n between_o necessary_a and_o requisite_a and_o that_o abundance_n of_o thing_n have_v be_v main_o or_o principal_o requisite_a which_o yet_o be_v not_o indispensable_o or_o before_o all_o thing_n necessary_a but_o which_o of_o these_o athanasius_n mean_v the_o next_o clause_n put_v out_o of_o question_n which_o faith_n say_v the_o creed_n except_o every_o one_o do_v keep_v whole_a and_o undefiled_a without_o doubt_n he_o shall_v perish_v everlasting_o the_o grammatical_a and_o obvious_a sense_n of_o these_o word_n be_v this_o that_o man_n or_o woman_n shall_v perish_v everlasting_o who_o do_v not_o believe_v and_o profess_v this_o follow_v faith_n which_o be_v indeed_o the_o catholic_a or_o universal_a faith_n without_o take_v aught_o from_o it_o or_o add_v aught_o to_o it_o no_o say_v dr._n wallis_n the_o greek_a word_n be_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d totam_fw-la or_o whole_a but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d saluam_fw-la sanam_fw-la sound_n or_o safe_a and_o say_v he_o far_a as_o a_o man_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v sound_a and_o safe_a notwithstanding_o a_o wart_n or_o wen_n or_o even_o a_o wound_n or_o a_o maim_v so_o long_o as_o the_o vital_n be_v not_o endanger_v so_o the_o catholic_a faith_n be_v sound_a and_o safe_a so_o long_o as_o there_o be_v nothing_o destructive_a of_o the_o main_a substantial_o or_o fundamental_o this_o be_v a_o marvellous_a reason_n and_o such_o as_o the_o doctor_n will_v very_o hardly_o persuade_v any_o to_o believe_v it_o be_v a_o man_n safe_a and_o sound_a when_o his_o leg_n and_o arm_n be_v shoot_v off_o so_o long_o as_o the_o vital_n be_v not_o endanger_v but_o entire_a and_o safe_a god_n deliver_v i_o and_o dr._n wallis_n too_o from_o such_o soundness_n and_o safeness_n and_o if_o the_o catholic_a faith_n be_v sound_a too_o as_o he_o say_v so_o long_o as_o the_o substantial_o and_o fundamental_o remain_v it_o will_v follow_v that_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v sound_a for_o all_o protestant_n but_o the_o socinian_o grant_v that_o church_n retain_v all_o the_o substantial_o and_o fundamental_o yet_o her_o faith_n they_o confess_v be_v unsound_a because_o of_o the_o erroneous_a addition_n to_o the_o substantial_o and_o fundamental_o the_o doctor_n therefore_o shall_v do_v well_o to_o think_v again_o of_o this_o part_n of_o his_o explication_n but_o whereas_o he_o will_v confirm_v these_o perversion_n of_o the_o true_a intention_n of_o the_o damn_v clause_n in_o this_o creed_n by_o criticise_v on_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i_o must_v plain_o tell_v he_o he_o be_v gross_o out_o in_o his_o criticism_n it_o be_v not_o say_v he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d totam_fw-la or_o whole_a but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d saluam_fw-la sanam_fw-la sound_n or_o safe_a be_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d indeed_o the_o same_o with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o he_o please_v to_o consult_v his_o lexicon_n he_o will_v find_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v render_v integram_fw-la perfectam_fw-la whole_a or_o perfect_a so_o that_o the_o sense_n of_o this_o article_n be_v that_o faith_n must_v be_v keep_v perfect_a whole_a or_o entire_a nothing_o must_v be_v add_v to_o it_o nothing_o take_v from_o it_o lett._n 3._o pag._n 8._o and_o the_o catholic_a faith_n be_v this_o that_o be_v this_o be_v one_o main_a part_n of_o the_o catholic_a faith_n i_o confess_v at_o this_o rate_n of_o expound_v a_o very_a tolerable_a sense_n may_v be_v make_v of_o this_o creed_n and_o of_o the_o koran_n if_o before_o all_o thing_n necessary_a be_v only_o main_o requisite_a if_o whole_a and_o undefiled_a may_v be_v true_a of_o a_o faith_n which_o be_v neither_o whole_a nor_o undefiled_a but_o sound_v only_o in_o fundamental_o if_o the_o catholic_a faith_n be_v only_a part_n of_o the_o catholic_a faith_n what_o creed_n or_o book_n may_v not_o be_v expound_v to_o a_o sound_a sense_n lett._n 3._o pag._n 11._o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v of_o the_o father_n and_o of_o the_o son_n neither_o make_v nor_o beget_v but_o proceed_v here_o be_v no_o anathematise_v of_o the_o greek_a church_n it_o be_v say_v indeed_o he_o do_v proceed_v and_o so_o say_v they_o but_o not_o that_o he_o do_v proceed_v from_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n and_o it_o be_v say_v he_o be_v of_o the_o father_n and_o of_o the_o son_n but_o whether_o by_o procession_n from_o both_o or_o if_o so_o whether_o in_o the_o same_o manner_n be_v not_o say_v but_o wary_o avoid_v and_o those_o who_o be_v better_o acquaint_v with_o the_o doctrine_n and_o language_n of_o the_o present_a greek_a church_n than_o most_o of_o we_o be_v do_v assure_v we_o that_o the_o difference_n between_o they_o and_o we_o be_v rather_o in_o some_o form_n of_o expression_n than_o in_o the_o thing_n itself_o to_o this_o i_o answer_v the_o doctor_n have_v as_o much_o reason_n to_o deny_v that_o in_o this_o article_n the_o spirit_n be_v say_v to_o proceed_v from_o the_o father_n as_o from_o the_o son_n for_o the_o word_n proceed_v be_v so_o place_v both_o in_o the_o greek_a and_o english_a as_o to_o refer_v to_o both_o or_o to_o neither_o beside_o proceed_v be_v he_o know_v the_o very_a characteristic_a of_o the_o spirit_n so_o that_o if_o he_o be_v of_o or_o from_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n which_o the_o doctor_n will_v not_o deny_v be_v express_o affirm_v in_o this_o article_n it_o must_v be_v by_o proceed_v from_o they_o which_o since_o the_o greek_n deny_v it_o be_v manifest_a their_o doctrine_n be_v here_o condemn_v what_o he_o add_v of_o the_o present_a greek_a church_n be_v not_o true_a it_o be_v certain_a they_o hold_v that_o their_o doctrine_n be_v condemn_v in_o this_o article_n and_o therefore_o in_o return_n to_o athanasius_n his_o compliment_n that_o they_o shall_v perish_v everlasting_o they_o pleasant_o answer_v he_o be_v drink_v when_o he_o make_v this_o creed_n the_o athanasian_n creed_n have_v this_o conclusion_n this_o be_v the_o catholic_a faith_n which_o except_o a_o man_n keep_v faithful_o he_o can_v be_v save_v how_o can_v dr._n wallis_n elude_v these_o plain_a word_n which_o be_v not_o annex_v to_o any_o general_n as_o he_o though_o untrue_o say_v of_o the_o other_o damnatory_a clause_n but_o be_v as_o it_o be_v the_o label_n and_o seal_n affix_v to_o the_o whole_a creed_n at_o the_o end_n or_o bottom_n of_o it_o but_o what_o can_v a_o wit_n and_o a_o learned_a man_n do_v at_o least_o what_o will_v he_o not_o attempt_v he_o give_v we_o a_o large_a interpretation_n of_o this_o clause_n at_o pag._n 19_o of_o his_o three_o letter_n but_o the_o sum_n of_o it_o be_v this_o this_o be_v the_o catholic_a faith_n i._n e._n this_o be_v part_n of_o that_o faith_n which_o all_o christian_n do_v and_o aught_o to_o believe_v which_o faith_n except_o a_o man_n keep_v faithful_o he_o can_v be_v save_v i._n e._n which_o faith_n except_o a_o man_n true_o believe_v it_o as_o to_o the_o substantial_o of_o it_o though_o possible_o he_o may_v be_v ignorant_a of_o many_o particular_n thereof_o he_o can_v be_v save_v which_o be_v as_o if_o the_o doctor_n have_v say_v whereas_o the_o athanasian_n creed_n conclude_v with_o these_o formidable_a and_o seem_o plain_a word_n this_o before_o relate_v be_v the_o catholic_a faith_n which_o except_o a_o

man_n keep_v faithful_o he_o can_v be_v save_v athanasius_n mean_v nothing_o less_o than_o to_o damn_v all_o those_o who_o do_v not_o entire_o believe_v his_o creed_n no_o no_o that_o good_a man_n intend_v only_o this_o this_o catholic_a faith_n be_v part_n of_o the_o catholic_a faith_n and_o if_o you_o will_v be_v save_v you_o must_v believe_v this_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_a faith_n in_o part_n in_o the_o substantial_o of_o it_o which_o substantial_n as_o i_o say_v before_o be_v only_o these_o two_o general_n that_o there_o be_v a_o trinity_n in_o unity_n or_o three_o somewhat_n in_o one_o god_n and_o that_o christ_n be_v incarnate_a this_o last_o may_v most_o easy_o be_v receive_v by_o all_o party_n for_o all_o soul_n be_v incarnate_a and_o partaker_n of_o flesh_n and_o blood_n by_o incarnation_n or_o incorporation_n i_o leave_v it_o with_o the_o reader_n to_o judge_v whether_o the_o doctor_n have_v interpret_v or_o elude_v this_o creed_n i_o believe_v dr._n wallis_n have_v a_o charitable_a intention_n in_o the_o pain_n he_o have_v take_v to_o find_v out_o a_o favourable_a sense_n of_o the_o word_n of_o this_o creed_n but_o on_o the_o other_o hand_n it_o look_v not_o well_o that_o he_o shall_v put_v as_o great_a a_o force_n on_o the_o word_n of_o socinus_n to_o make_v he_o speak_v impious_o and_o heretical_o as_o he_o have_v on_o the_o word_n of_o athanasius_n to_o make_v he_o speak_v orthodox_o or_o charitable_o this_o be_v the_o next_o thing_n i_o will_v consider_v in_o his_o letter_n the_o opinion_n charge_v on_o socinus_n and_o the_o socinian_o in_o his_o first_o three_o and_o four_o letter_n he_o have_v charge_v the_o socinian_o with_o opinion_n which_o not_o only_o subvert_v the_o authority_n and_o belief_n of_o holy_a scripture_n but_o endanger_v all_o religion_n and_o piety_n towards_o god_n lett._n 4._o pag._n 3._o he_o say_v that_o he_o take_v his_o whole_a charge_n against_o the_o socinian_o as_o grant_v he_o add_v at_o pag._n 5._o of_o the_o same_o letter_n that_o there_o be_v reason_n to_o suspect_v that_o the_o socinian_o have_v some_o other_o odd_a tenant_n which_o they_o think_v fit_a rather_o to_o conceal_v than_o to_o deny_v what_o those_o odd_a tenant_n be_v he_o tell_v we_o at_o lett._n 1._o pag._n 16._o that_o there_o be_v neither_o angel_n nor_o spirit_n that_o the_o holy_a scripture_n be_v not_o the_o word_n of_o god_n nor_o yet_o the_o doctrine_n therein_o contain_v he_o there_o give_v his_o reason_n why_o he_o suspect_v and_o will_v have_v other_o suspect_v they_o of_o these_o horrid_a opinion_n because_o they_o spare_v not_o to_o let_v we_o know_v that_o be_v this_o doctrine_n of_o the_o trinity_n deliver_v in_o scripture_n in_o word_n as_o express_v as_o can_v be_v they_o will_v not_o believe_v it_o there_o can_v be_v nothing_o more_o false_a or_o disingenuous_a than_o this_o charge_n i_o will_v examine_v it_o part_n by_o part_n and_o the_o pervert_v quotation_n by_o which_o he_o will_v prove_v it_o to_o the_o unlearned_a reader_n lett._n 1._o pag._n 5._o they_o the_o socinian_o tell_v we_o how_o clear_a soever_o the_o expression_n of_o scripture_n be_v or_o can_v be_v to_o this_o purpose_n i._n e._n to_o prove_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o trinity_n they_o will_v not_o believe_v it_o because_o inconsistent_a with_o natural_a reason_n the_o doctor_n very_o often_o in_o these_o letter_n make_v it_o a_o great_a and_o inexcusable_a crime_n in_o the_o socinian_o that_o because_o the_o trinity_n be_v inconsistent_a with_o natural_a reason_n therefore_o they_o will_v not_o believe_v it_o even_o though_o it_o be_v express_v in_o scripture_n but_o what_o if_o the_o trinitarian_n themselves_o be_v of_o this_o opinion_n that_o what_o be_v inconsistent_a with_o natural_a reason_n or_o with_o our_o common_a and_o congennit_n notion_n be_v not_o to_o be_v believe_v though_o the_o word_n of_o scripture_n be_v never_o so_o express_v dr._n sherlock_n sure_o be_v now_o no_o socinian_n but_o a_o trinitarian_n yet_o at_o pag._n 151._o of_o his_o late_a answer_n to_o the_o brief_a history_n and_o brief_a note_n he_o put_v in_o his_o own_o name_n this_o question_n and_o answer_v to_o it_o suppose_v that_o the_o natural_a construction_n of_o the_o word_n of_o scripture_n import_v such_o a_o sense_n as_o be_v contrary_n to_o some_o evident_a principle_n of_o reason_n then_o i_o will_v believe_v it_o how_o not_o believe_v scripture_n no_o no_o i_o will_v believe_v no_o pretend_a revelation_n which_o contradict_v the_o plain_n dictate_v of_o reason_n the_o professor_n of_o franeker_n who_o be_v not_o socinian_o as_o the_o doctor_n mistake_v lett._n 3._o pag._n 38._o but_o trinitarian_n of_o the_o most_o rigid_a sect_n for_o they_o be_v calvinist_n of_o the_o cut_n and_o die_v of_o the_o dort_n synod_n and_o otherways_o can_v not_o be_v in_o the_o pension_n of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o unite_a province_n those_o professor_n i_o say_v by_o confession_n of_o dr._n wallis_n publish_v a_o thesis_n to_o this_o effect_n if_o reason_n dictate_v to_o we_o any_o thing_n otherwise_o than_o the_o scripture_n do_v it_o be_v a_o error_n to_o say_v in_o such_o case_n we_o be_v rather_o to_o believe_v the_o scripture_n it_o be_v no_o new_a thing_n that_o writer_n who_o undertake_v to_o discuss_v question_n which_o they_o do_v not_o thorough_o understand_v shall_v frequent_o and_o very_o gross_o contradict_v themselves_o dr._n wallis_n himself_o be_v in_o this_o very_a oversight_n while_o he_o be_v warm_o charge_v the_o socinian_o with_o sadducism_n and_o impiety_n for_o affirm_v as_o he_o untrue_o say_v that_o they_o will_v not_o believe_v what_o be_v contain_v in_o scripture_n if_o contrary_a to_o reason_n while_o i_o say_v he_o be_v charge_v the_o socinian_o with_o this_o doctrine_n as_o a_o impious_a and_o unchristian_a opinion_n he_o himself_o not_o only_o believe_v but_o profess_v it_o lett._n 1._o pag._n 8._o in_o this_o case_n the_o question_n of_o the_o trinity_n the_o revelation_n seem_v so_o clear_a to_o those_o who_o believe_v the_o scripture_n that_o we_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o doubt_v of_o it_o unless_o the_o thing_n be_v find_v real_o impossible_a and_o inconsistent_a with_o reason_n what_o be_v this_o but_o to_o say_v though_o revelation_n be_v most_o clear_a yet_o if_o the_o thing_n be_v impossible_a and_o inconsistent_a with_o reason_n we_o have_v reason_n enough_o to_o doubt_v of_o it_o will_v dr._n wallis_n now_o be_v content_a that_o his_o reader_n shall_v infer_v from_o hence_o that_o he_o be_v a_o sadducee_n believe_v neither_o angel_n nor_o spirit_n or_o a_o atheist_n or_o at_o least_o a_o deist_n not_o believe_v the_o scripture_n or_o that_o the_o doctrine_n thereof_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n as_o he_o most_o rash_o and_o most_o uncharitable_o have_v intimate_v concern_v the_o socinian_o in_o my_o former_a answer_n to_o he_o i_o oppose_v to_o this_o charge_n of_o the_o doctor_n the_o clear_a word_n of_o socinus_n of_o sclichtingius_n and_o of_o smalcius_n the_o first_o of_o these_o say_v the_o way_n of_o reason_n be_v too_o fallible_a in_o a_o matter_n depend_v on_o divine_a revelation_n such_o as_o the_o christian_a religion_n be_v the_o second_o say_v if_o any_o thing_n appear_v to_o be_v contain_v in_o scripture_n whatever_o reason_n may_v say_v in_o contradiction_n to_o it_o reason_n must_v of_o necessity_n be_v deceive_v the_o three_o say_v religion_n and_o holy_a scripture_n have_v many_o thing_n above_o reason_n and_o therein_o they_o high_o commend_v themselves_o but_o nothing_o which_o be_v contrary_a to_o reason_n as_o a_o small_a light_n to_o a_o great_a one_o so_o reason_n be_v not_o contrary_a to_o scripture_n let_v frantzius_n tell_v we_o of_o any_o one_o sentence_n of_o scripture_n which_o be_v contrary_a to_o reason_n and_o then_o let_v reason_n be_v silent_a in_o the_o church_n socinus_n de_fw-fr author_n s._n scrip._n p._n 16._o sclichtingius_fw-la adv_fw-la meisn_a de_fw-fr ss_z trin._n p._n 68_o smalcius_n contr_n frantz_n disp_n 4._o p._n 137._o to_o these_o citation_n dr._n wallis_n answer_v he_o tell_v i_o of_o some_o socinian_o who_o have_v so_o much_o respect_n for_o the_o scripture_n as_o to_o say_v scripture_n contain_v nothing_o repugnant_a to_o reason_n and_o what_o do_v not_o agree_v with_o reason_n have_v no_o place_n in_o divinity_n since_o the_o doctor_n be_v not_o please_v to_o observe_v what_o my_o quotation_n prove_v i_o must_v desire_v our_o reader_n to_o observe_v and_o to_o judge_v between_o we_o i_o think_v they_o clear_v the_o socinian_o of_o the_o scandalous_a imputation_n which_o the_o doctor_n seek_v to_o fasten_v on_o they_o lett._n 3._o pag._n 45._o as_o to_o the_o suspicion_n i_o have_v of_o some_o of_o their_o sentiment_n socinus_n epist_n 5._o ad_fw-la volket_n do_v absolute_o deny_v that_o the_o soul_n after_o death_n do_v subsist_v but_o let_v we_o hear_v the_o